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SHUSA said:
x1000 to your last statement. why does their have to be the perfect solution preventing from any solution. kids being trapped and shot in their classrooms is just about the worst thing you could think of on earth. and people are actively against making progress. tells you a lot
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Exactly. Pass something small, world doesn’t end and we can do more.

God forbid we pass an imperfect bill.
The major problem with the bill was that it would have created a commission to study the issue and make recommendations. Gun lobby has been forceful against the government doing any studies on gun violence. I guess the study would have had loopholes or something so it’s dumb.
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Another school shooting in America

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SHUSA said:
x1000 to your last statement. why does their have to be the perfect solution preventing from any solution. kids being trapped and shot in their classrooms is just about the worst thing you could think of on earth. and people are actively against making progress. tells you a lot
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People are for progress, but we disagree on what is progress. That bill wasn't worth the paper it was written on. It gave every sale a potential loophole plus it also did nothing for black market sales, which is nearly half the problem with guns in this country.
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Another school shooting in America

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Merge said:
Your assumption is that there are hobbyists which will now intentionally break the law.
If they are a hobbyists, and now required to get a background check under federal law, they will likely just get a background check rather than stick their neck out for a stranger.

Again - we agree that all sales should require a background check. Not sure why you're so adamant against making improvements when making something perfect isn't on the table.

You need $5? Sorry, I only have $1 on me, do you want that?
NO! I NEED $5.

Start with 1, worry about the next 4 afterwards.
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x1000 to your last statement. why does their have to be the perfect solution preventing from any solution. kids being trapped and shot in their classrooms is just about the worst thing you could think of on earth. and people are actively against making progress. tells you a lot
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Another school shooting in America

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HALL85 said:
I disagree. I know dozens of gun owners, and they are unanimous in the point of view that I shared. It’s the way you asked the question. They would be for background checks if there was also legislation and enforcement that was strict.

At the end of the day, if you want any kind of gun legislation, you’re going to have to compromise on the criminal consequences. Otherwise, it’s just not going to happen.
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You could write the perfect bill with the dozens of gun owners that you know, with whatever enforcement you want, but you know it would never pass until the gun lobby loses their hold on their politicians.

Gun owners want common sense laws. The gun lobby doesn't.

It's not a lack of compromise, or a lack of writing a good bill. It's what will the lobby allow us to do (just like many other issues on both sides) which right now is nothing.
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Another school shooting in America

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Merge said:
Your assumption is that there are hobbyists which will now intentionally break the law.
If they are a hobbyists, and now required to get a background check under federal law, they will likely just get a background check rather than stick their neck out for a stranger.

Again - we agree that all sales should require a background check. Not sure why you're so adamant against making improvements when making something perfect isn't on the table.

You need $5? Sorry, I only have $1 on me, do you want that?
NO! I NEED $5.

Start with 1, worry about the next 4 afterwards.
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Yup that's my assumption because people will do what they have to do to make money, just like every pizzeria and landscaper out there is intentionally breaking the law with a few hires here and there, but they do it to make more money. But don't worry there's a loophole friend.
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Non Conference Schedule is Live

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Just an old man dreaming. Looking at the oc schedule and having faith in our coach to mold a pretty decent team out of this year's gang of pirates, what do you think of the possibility of us going into the Rutgers game undefeated ? Don't think I am delusional. I am just a 91 year old, class of 1956, pirate who has seen a lot of pirate basketball since I was 6 years old. So humor me. Give me your opinions. GO PIRATES!
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Another school shooting in America

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Merge said:
That's just not true though. The majority of law abiding gun owners would be fine with background checks for all sales.
Anything suggested though becomes a non starter because the gun lobby doesn't want to give an inch. They move the debate towards fearmongering against the government and nothing happens.



As if the Toomey Manchin bill wasn't a watered down compromise?
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I disagree. I know dozens of gun owners, and they are unanimous in the point of view that I shared. It’s the way you asked the question. They would be for background checks if there was also legislation and enforcement that was strict.

At the end of the day, if you want any kind of gun legislation, you’re going to have to compromise on the criminal consequences. Otherwise, it’s just not going to happen.
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Another school shooting in America

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SHUHoopsFan said:
My friends are baseball card hobbyists. They go to shows and have become friends with many other hobbyists. I'm sure it's the same with gun hobbyists. Loophole, don't need to do a background check. But I guess I'm wrong.
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Your assumption is that there are hobbyists which will now intentionally break the law.
If they are a hobbyists, and now required to get a background check under federal law, they will likely just get a background check rather than stick their neck out for a stranger.

Again - we agree that all sales should require a background check. Not sure why you're so adamant against making improvements when making something perfect isn't on the table.

You need $5? Sorry, I only have $1 on me, do you want that?
NO! I NEED $5.

Start with 1, worry about the next 4 afterwards.
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Waiting For UConn To Make A Statement

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Seton75 said:
That was my initial feeling. And how I feel after some thought.

Maybe the difference now is that there are fewer landing spots, and those spots are bloated already so expansion is unlikely?. Maybe 16, 16, 18 are enough? Would hate to go back to the unbalanced schedule.

Cant believe there are now 17 ACC teams?
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18 for basketball including Notre Dame.
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Another school shooting in America

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Merge said:
You would be wrong though. It helped, especially in regards to "hobbyists" selling at gun shows.

All gun sales or transfers should require a background check and registration.
That's my view. That doesn't prevent me from seeing that small steps towards that can help.
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My friends are baseball card hobbyists. They go to shows and have become friends with many other hobbyists. I'm sure it's the same with gun hobbyists. Loophole, don't need to do a background check. But I guess I'm wrong.
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Onward Setonia news

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newshu1 said:
Re headcovers if you have the demand why not produce more? I dont understand. Reminds me of this pizza shop in Connecticut that runs out of dough daily and closes, why not simply order more pizza dough. Guess some people are just allergic to making money
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They may make the dough on site. There is a place I frequent in Brookfield that makes their dough in the evening, presumably for the next day.

The place you go to may not have the capacity to make more than they do for a variety of reasons.
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Another school shooting in America

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HALL85 said:
The problem with that line of thinking is that the small changes have the biggest impact on legal and law, abiding gun owners. It is a non-starter for them.
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That's just not true though. The majority of law abiding gun owners would be fine with background checks for all sales.
Anything suggested though becomes a non starter because the gun lobby doesn't want to give an inch. They move the debate towards fearmongering against the government and nothing happens.

HALL85 said:
If you really want to compromise and get things done, then you have to actually compromise.
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As if the Toomey Manchin bill wasn't a watered down compromise?
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SHUHoopsFan said:
You see a small change, while I think every sale in the country could bypass that small change by just saying we're friends.
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You would be wrong though. It helped, especially in regards to "hobbyists" selling at gun shows.

All gun sales or transfers should require a background check and registration.
That's my view. That doesn't prevent me from seeing that small steps towards that can help.
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Onward Setonia news

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newshu1 said:
Re headcovers if you have the demand why not produce more? I dont understand. Reminds me of this pizza shop in Connecticut that runs out of dough daily and closes, why not simply order more pizza dough. Guess some people are just allergic to making money
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I'm no marketing guy, but there is something about scarcity and urgency that motivates consumers, too. That is, if everyone knew they could get a pizza there at 9 p.m. or whenever the mood hit them, then the urgency dissipates and maybe they get Chinese takeout instead. When you only have a limited window in which to pounce, many will do so.
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