2020 and 1974
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We survive the Nixon presidency and impeachment and it was probably positive and that it exposed how corruption can occur in government.
I think the big difference today is the impact of social media, the MSM and complete lack of political leadership.
I think the big difference today is the impact of social media, the MSM and complete lack of political leadership.
No, although there are some similarities. I predict Trump will resign in September or October when it becomes clear he is not going to win. It already is pretty clear, but three and a half months is a long time in politics.
This, 100%. Social media exacerbates all our issues today, blowing many out of proportion.
To me Trump will have caused his own demise...had he shown better empathy and plan of reaction and recovery to the pandemic, middle america and unregistered likely vote for him...what we have seen last 4 months, mighty rich get richer and many many others barely hanging on
Fauci needs to go as he's been wrong and misleading on almost everything, but that is unprofessional from a WH staffer.
To me empathy is very important now more than ever. I do feel there is a major lapse in being empathetic on a larger scale in our current society and culture.
How I parent, how I treat and mentor coworkers, how I treat friends, my spiritual beliefs, political beliefs.l etc.
Not sure how to describe it better. I always try to think of and through other perspectives.
It is worse because Republicans in the Senate have completely abdicated their duties of office. Back then, you had men of integrity on the Republican side like Barry Goldwater and Howard Baker to stand up to Nixon. Also, Nixon cared more about the institution of the President than Trump. While another poster talked about social media, well, that may be true. But, it all comes back to people who will speak to power. Not many elected official will do that on the Republican side sans Mitt Romney.
With regard to Trump resigning, I think Shu09 is right that he will resign but wrong on his timing. He will go through the election. He will lose the election and then cast doubt on the validity of the results. In December, he will resign from office and Mike Pence will pardon him for any crimes that he may have committed while in office.
With regard to Trump resigning, I think Shu09 is right that he will resign but wrong on his timing. He will go through the election. He will lose the election and then cast doubt on the validity of the results. In December, he will resign from office and Mike Pence will pardon him for any crimes that he may have committed while in office.
I have no clue what you are talking about here. Are you blaming Fauci for not predicting everything with 100% accuracy for a virus that is completely new and ever evolving? My opinion Fauci has been pretty damn accurate including his prediction that between 100,000- 200,000 people will die with social distancing by the end of August.
You are not a Dr, and I know SPk isn’t a doctor. And I know Trump is not a doctor. So, who am I going to trust with regard to CoVid 19. Hmm, I’ll go with the world renown expert on infectious disease.
I was wrong on the human migration part, that was the Chinese that said that, but everything else I posted here multiple times, were you not paying attention?
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...f-how-wrong-dr-fauci-has-been-on-coronavirus/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/d...ndemic-worse-by-lying-about-masks/ar-BB15zyW3
I have been paying attention which is why I knew your first one was bonkers and not true, your second one was mischaracterizing what he said and the third was also not true, as he explicitly stated that masks should be provided for healthcare workers because they were afraid of a shortage and healthcare workers were facing a bigger risk.
Access to N95 and other types of masks utilized by healthcare workers weren’t available to the public to begin with. Totally different supply chain. If they believed masks were affective, they could’ve directed the public to wear cloth or other handmade masks at the very beginning.
A lot changed since that interview when there were 50 diagnosed cases in the United States.
He said in that interview that masks were important for people who were infected. Also said that they didn't want to disrupt the supply for healthcare workers.
I don't really care to get into a supply chain discussion. If you say he was wrong, that's fine... I'm just saying that SPK's claim that he lied about masks is not correct.
Who should we listen to today on moving forward with Covid 19: Fauci, Trump, or maybe the insightful Governor DeSantis?
That’s interesting. I make a valid point and you “don’t wanna listen to it?” Thanks for the debate.
lol... That is not what I said.You said Fauci was wrong there and that's fine. I will take your word for it since I don't know anything about medical supply chains. I have absolutely no idea why Fauci believed that citizens could disrupt the supply chain, so rather than trying to take the time to understand why he said that.. I will defer to you there and just say he was wrong.
You are just moving this away from my disagreement with SPK saying that Fauci lied about masks. I don't believe that is an accurate statement.
I don't think Fauci was accurate at all in his changing stances on masks. Why didn't he just recommend wearing cloth or homemade masks from the very beginning. Everyone knew it was a virus and while it is still debatable how effective masks are, he went from saying they really don't have any impact to know requiring them.
Fauci admits he did not tell the truth about masks. Where I come from, that is called lying.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/06/17/fauci-masks-n2570789
Are you one of the Biden truth over facts guys, LOL?
If you are not sick, they are not that effective from protecting you from getting the virus if you are in a situation where the virus is spreading.
If you are sick, they are effective in containing how much of the virus you are spreading around you.
What Fauci said on March 9th was that masks are for those who are sick.
We just did not understand the level at which it was spreading at the time.
Would we have been better off had we mandated masks on March 9th? Absolutely, but in my opinion, Fauci was giving his opinion as he knew it at the time and acting in good faith.
So what you are doing is saying that Fauci lied and then posting a bunch of links to support that rather than going back to Fauci's actual words in context.
"exactly, that's the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it"
^ His actual words in that interview.
Again, at the time we did not understand the asyptomatic spread as we do now, and also believed that the primary infection was getting the virus on your hand and then touching your face.
As we learned more, he changed what he was saying which is exactly what someone in his position should do.
Are you serious? You think we should just know everything there is to know about a virus right away?
It means that this is a new virus. We were (and still are) learning more about it every day.
That's just absurd. He gave his opinion based on his experience. This virus happened to behave differently than any other in his experience.
“I’ve been dealing with viral outbreaks for the last 40 years. I’ve never seen a single virus — that is, one pathogen — have a range where 20% to 40% of the people have no symptoms,”
Got to be careful with these comparisons. Fauci would be the one I would listen to over the ones you list. DeSantis has made mistakes for sure but he did not make the huge mistake Cuomo made by not protecting the most vulnerable. Hard to argue with total NY State deaths at 32,000+ vs total Florida deaths at 4,409+. The story isn't over unfortunately for all of us, but that is a huge discrepancy and is all that matters in the end. I doubt Florida deaths will come anywhere near NY State deaths.
Agree with that.
Regarding Fauci, I just think the campaign to discredit him is entirely politically motivated and odd that some here bought into that so easily. I honestly had never heard of him until Hall85 mentioned him here, so I started watching what he was saying and I thought he was always acting in good faith and even when he was downplaying the threats, most of the time he added that things could change if we start to see community spread.
Regarding Desantis, it's just frustrating to watch this happen to Florida now.
It's like we gave him the answers to the test, and he threw it away and decided to go out and fail it on his own.
not sure what you think I said, but what I said was that I had never heard of him until you brought him up here.
I respected your opinion so thought I should start paying attention to him. that’s all.
