2nd Debate

[SPK145]

Both are still zeros but got to give this one to Trump, his demeanor was much better. If he had acted this way since the beginning, maybe this race would be over.

He at least elaborated on some new ideas as opposed to the same old tired, rehashed, rhetoric/ideas from Clinton.

Best part for me was the question on supreme court nominees. Clinton's answer was basically that judges should judge based on they feel rather than rule of law. Trump's answer mentioned adherence to the Constitution, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF SUPREME COURT JUDGES!!!

Last night should move the needle a few points in Trump's direction but really, with these two dolts, the needles are really stuck in the eyes of the American people.

 

[cernjSHU]

Both are still zeros but got to give this one to Trump, his demeanor was much better. If he had acted this way since the beginning, maybe this race would be over.

He at least elaborated on some new ideas as opposed to the same old tired, rehashed, rhetoric/ideas from Clinton.

Best part for me was the question on supreme court nominees. Clinton's answer was basically that judges should judge based on they feel rather than rule of law. Trump's answer mentioned adherence to the Constitution, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF SUPREME COURT JUDGES!!!

Last night should move the needle a few points in Trump's direction but really, with these two dolts, the needles are really stuck in the eyes of the American people.

I think he performed better but almost anything would have been better than last debate. He did not answer questions.

The scariest part was his answer that he would get a special prosecutor to investigate her and his throw away line that he would put her in jail. The history of the Untied States Presidency is that the defeated candidate comes and joins the winner together as one country. There is no winner that then goes and prosecutes the loser. That is not what this country is about. That is a sign and a desire of fascist dictatorships not the greatest democracy on earth.

 

[Save Continental]

I'd have to say Ken Bone won this debate.

Now, I am not supporter of Trump. But I still can't understand the harping on his taxes, if in fact he's carrying forward a massive NOL from years back. Who gives a crap? Should he take it and throw it in the garbage? Should he ignore his NOL just to be charitable to the government, which as he correctly pointed out, would have squandered it anyway? Maybe there are other loopholes he exploited, who knows. But loss carryforwards are NOT a loophole!

@cernjSHU he should not have went there with HRC but I think that was solely for entertainment value and bluster, and a way to rile up his masses who are begging for Hillary to be thrown in jail. The chances of him unleashing a special prosecutor on Hillary are about the same as Mexico building a 2,000 mile border. Both went in one ear and out the other.

 

[cernjSHU]

The problem with Trump's taxes is a complicated story. But it goes back to the Trump casinos. Trump put in very little of his own money in those casinos. He borrowed heavily on those casinos and took his company public. So Trump took in huge amounts of money going public and borrowed a tremendous amount of money to fund the casinos. On top of that, Trump took a huge salary on top of that like 20 to 40 million during those years. Yet, his company went into bankruptcy. He is a con man, thief and extortionist.

This is a good article about this. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html?_r=0

 

[SPK145]

He is a con man, thief and extortionist.

Probably correct but shouldn't you also look at Clinton's one foray into business, the Whitewater scam? Unindicted co-conspirator?

Don't Whitewash Whitewater.

 

[Merge]

Both are still zeros but got to give this one to Trump, his demeanor was much better. If he had acted this way since the beginning, maybe this race would be over.

What? He still acted like a child. That nonsense doesn't sit well with independent voters.

 

[knowknow456]

Best part for me was the question on supreme court nominees. Clinton's answer was basically that judges should judge based on they feel rather than rule of law. Trump's answer mentioned adherence to the Constitution, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF SUPREME COURT JUDGES!!!

As always, SPK with an interesting take. To recap what actually happened, Clinton wants to overturn Citizen United, uphold Roe v. Wade and Marriage Equality and make sure Voting Rights are preserved. Trump wants to protect 2nd Amendment rights. Both candidates positions were clear and well thought out. The question was a draw.

 

[SPK145]

As always, SPK with an interesting take. To recap what actually happened, Clinton wants to overturn Citizen United, uphold Roe v. Wade and Marriage Equality and make sure Voting Rights are preserved. Trump wants to protect 2nd Amendment rights. Both candidates positions were clear and well thought out. The question was a draw.

Actually she said more than just about those specific cases and never mentioned the Constitution, the backbone of the supreme court.

 

[HALL85]

That nonsense doesn't sit well with independent voters.

Merge...your qualifications to know what sits well with independent voters?? lol

Seriously, my sense is that there are very few people that haven't made up their minds at this point. I think its going to come down to voter turnout. What part of the population is just so disgusted that they just sit it out (I expect millennial turnout to be extremely low) or just not inspired enough by either and don't want to be a part of the process this time around.

 

[Merge]

Merge...your qualifications to know what sits well with independent voters?? lol

Seriously, my sense is that there are very few people that haven't made up their minds at this point. I think its going to come down to voter turnout. What part of the population is just so disgusted that they just sit it out (I expect millennial turnout to be extremely low) or just not inspired enough by either and don't want to be a part of the process this time around.

Just look at the polling data since the first debate. The reason Trump has been declining is because the independent voters... the people who had not made up their minds yet were waiting to see if Trump would show up and look/sound presidential... He has proven that he is not capable of doing that and his polls reflect it.

I doubt turnout will not be significantly different than it was in 2008 which was another uninspiring year.

 

[HALL85]

Just look at the polling data since the first debate.

Same polling data that had his ceiling at 20%?....
I would have never believed he would get the nomination based on the polling data during the primaries and I have no reason to believe that they will matter that much until election day. I still think events will shape this election more so than anything we have seen or heard from either of these numbskulls. I also think more people are locked in to their choice than the polls indicate. My totally unscientific prediction is that if voter turnout is strong HRC wins in a landslide. If it's lower than 2008, Trump by a hairpiece....

 

[Merge]

Same polling data that had his ceiling at 20%?....
I would have never believed he would get the nomination based on the polling data during the primaries and I have no reason to believe that they will matter that much until election day.

During a primary there are few polls and polling data is all over the place and there are too many variables. It has never really been reliable.

General election polling data however, is almost always reliable and it has trended away from Donald.

 

[HALL85]

During a primary there are few polls and polling data is all over the place and there are too many variables. It has never really been reliable.

General election polling data however, is almost always reliable and it has trended away from Donald.

Sure...

 

[Merge]

Sure...

During a primary, there were very few state polls available to read.

Since Trump won the nomination, realclearpolitics has tracked 129 polls in a head to head matchup between Trump and Clinton as the nominees. Of those 129. Trump has over 45% support in 18 of them. Hillary has over 45% support in 74 of them. Her average is 5 points higher than Trumps in that time frame which is beyond a margin of error.

Princeton election consortium has Clinton winning with a 95% certainty. Fivethirtyeight has Clinton wining with an 83% certainty. Brush off the data all you like but it has been historically significant.

 

[knowknow456]

Actually she said more than just about those specific cases and never mentioned the Constitution, the backbone of the supreme court.

The question put to the candidates was -
"What would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a Supreme Court justice?"

Clinton responded she wanted a justice who had tried cases in the real world, not a big firm lawyer type. Trump said he wanted someone like the late Justice Scalia. Both replies are perfectly acceptable and answer the question they were asked.

I don't recall Clinton saying about appointing judges who judged with "feelings" over the "rule of law". Trump used the word "respect" not "adherence". If Trump's extra sentence carried the day for you, that's ok by me. However, I work under the presumption that a nominee by definition would follow the Constitution so it doesn't really tell me much about what type of jurist he would nominate. As a result, I thought the answers were about equal .

 

[HALL85]

During a primary, there were very few state polls available to read.

Since Trump won the nomination, realclearpolitics has tracked 129 polls in a head to head matchup between Trump and Clinton as the nominees. Of those 129. Trump has over 45% support in 18 of them. Hillary has over 45% support in 74 of them. Her average is 5 points higher than Trumps in that time frame which is beyond a margin of error.

Princeton election consortium has Clinton winning with a 95% certainty. Fivethirtyeight has Clinton wining with an 83% certainty. Brush off the data all you like but it has been historically significant.

Never have we seen two candidates that have ridiculously high unfavorable ratings. This election is more about who people aren't voting for. Not brushing the data off but I'm certainly discounting it a lot. Brexit has also proven strange things can happen. Either way, we're screwed.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

It creeped me out the way he stalked her.

 

[SPK145]

I never fully believe polls but this is still clearly Clinton's election at this point.

 

[Piratz]

I thought she did better overall, but not enough to get separation, which helps Trump. He was better. But he was odd and no clue what he was taking about with Syria or Obamacare or what kind deals he's going to negotiate, lol. I still don't know what his plans are anywhere really.

His whole demeanor is odd too; like he's going to erupt at any minute.

Thought she handled herself better this time too, considering his tone and the nonsense with Bill's ladies. But she's so stilted she can never knock him out or connect genuinely.

These two are just comical.

Ratings were down a lot. Even less than Romney/Obama #2.