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Really? Cause of covid we need to be more considerate of the effect losing him may have on us?We've been here before(how many times?)and it doesn't end well. Game Over, Man. Close, But No.
Just wish we didn't have several posters a while back saying their sources told them it was "a sure thing", or "close to done" or some variation of that. Of course many of us(myself included) foolishly believed it, and ran with it, because we wanted to really believe something great in these difficult times - and after having no postseason.
To those using their "sources" to be the first to break Big News: consider the times we are currently living in. The last thing we need right now is to have our hopes built up, only to be kicked down. That doesn't help anything....least of all now. There's nothing wrong with posting "cautiously optimistic", or "we should make his top five" and leaving it at that. I appreciate the posters who use a little restraint. Thanks.
Hall-o-daze What junk did you just post, you know nothing when it comes to the information Dan posted on the Trove.
Really? Cause of covid we need to be more considerate of the effect losing him may have on us?
Spk and 85 have a word for that I think...
Fair joke and made me laughI think Willard should work that into his recruiting pitch "We won't recruit over you unless you stink." That should seal the deal every time
I do get your point and, believe me, I wasn't knocking you.Fair joke and made me laugh
But you get my point
Md bigs Lindo, Mitchell bros and Tomiac transferring out even though they lose Smith to nba. And supposedly Turgeon promised time to chol Mariel.
I thought Aiken and St. Pat’s coach had some clout with Sanogo?We literally cannot guarantee a thing. Our best player is a true four man however our best lineup next year will most likely be Sandro at the 5.
Aiken
Molson
Cale
Rhoden
Sandro
Willard is also not in the guaranteeing business as am sure most of you know.
I just think that's a lie. If he earns it great, but I think Samuel is going to be a player. With that Mamu might need to get some of his minutes at the 5. If you think Sanogo is a 20 minute player and Samuel is only a 10-15 minute player, I'll disagree. I know we have a lot of players to be excited about next year, but I'm looking forward to seeing Samuel's improvement the most.
If that’s an estimate great. If that’s a guarantee I say no. I wouldn’t guarantee my own estimates. The one thing we should know at this point is we don’t know. We can all estimate all day long but understanding it’s an estimate is key. Can you imagine if when we recruited Ike and TT if we guaranteed them 25 mpg? Sorry Gill you’re dominating and earned more PT but we guaranteed those minutes to Ike. Mamu nice job but you need to come out for TT for no other reason than those minutes are part of a guarantee. This is a message board and it’s great to guess what’s going to happen but guaranteeing it something else. Who knows Ike and Samuel can come back as studs. Maybe they don’t. Nothings a guarantee.Mamu for 30 mpg and Samuel for 15 mpg is fine by me. 5 min for Mamu at the 5 spot, 20 for Ike, 15 for Sanogo. Who says no?
If that’s an estimate great. If that’s a guarantee I say no. I wouldn’t guarantee my own estimates. The one thing we should know at this point is we don’t know. We can all estimate all day long but understanding it’s an estimate is key. Can you imagine if when we recruited Ike and TT if we guaranteed them 25 mpg? Sorry Gill you’re dominating and earned more PT but we guaranteed those minutes to Ike. Mamu nice job but you need to come out for TT for no other reason than those minutes are part of a guarantee. This is a message board and it’s great to guess what’s going to happen but guaranteeing it something else. Who knows Ike and Samuel can come back as studs. Maybe they don’t. Nothings a guarantee.
I think Willard should work that into his recruiting pitch "We won't recruit over you unless you stink." That should seal the deal every time
I referring more to the fact that we had our very promising post season ripped from us, but go ahead with that narrative.
Trust nothing until a commitment. While the information provided during the process is both appreciated and interesting, there are few things as hard to predict as this stuff.
Agree. Given what Carino says on the subject, you have to like where we stand. I only wish the Roselle Catholic coach would help us out once in awhile, like Chavannes does.
That said, Sanogo will be a beast for Seton Hall. That kid is going to be a terrific BE center in time. He'd probably push Ike for the starting job as a freshman and, at the very least, see regular big minutes.
I think a lot of people are undestimating what kind of time Mamu might get at the 5 if Samuel raises his game. I thought Samuel was a raw and tough of a player that we've seen here in a while. With some hard work I think he can be really good and force Mamu to get more minutes at 5 than people think.Sanogo would play a lot his freshman year here unless Ike pulls a Gill transformation over the summer.
Someone sold you a bill of goods, and you believed it. Whose fault is that, again?
You're right, it was my fault back in January for believing we'd have a postseason. Me and just about everyone else. Apparently I'm not allowed to feel unsatisfied though. Who knew?
Are you serious?
I think a lot of people are undestimating what kind of time Mamu might get at the 5 if Samuel raises his game. I thought Samuel was a raw and tough of a player that we've seen here in a while. With some hard work I think he can be really good and force Mamu to get more minutes at 5 than people think.
For what it’s worth, the posters with sources never used language that strong. Nothing even close to “close to done” or “a sure thing”. There was optimism, but don’t confuse that with the other posters who constantly tout how good xyz class is gonna look.We've been here before(how many times?)and it doesn't end well. Game Over, Man. Close, But No.
Just wish we didn't have several posters a while back saying their sources told them it was "a sure thing", or "close to done" or some variation of that. Of course many of us(myself included) foolishly believed it, and ran with it, because we wanted to really believe something great in these difficult times - and after having no postseason.
To those using their "sources" to be the first to break Big News: consider the times we are currently living in. The last thing we need right now is to have our hopes built up, only to be kicked down. That doesn't help anything....least of all now. There's nothing wrong with posting "cautiously optimistic", or "we should make his top five" and leaving it at that. I appreciate the posters who use a little restraint. Thanks.
Exactly. Posters with sources mention what they know or heard and then move one. They are generally not the ones posting threads a half hour later about how the lineup will look with player X, how many minutes player x will get, etc, etc.For what it’s worth, the posters with sources never used language that strong. Nothing even close to “close to done” or “a sure thing”. There was optimism, but don’t confuse that with the other posters who constantly tout how good xyz class is gonna look.
Working hard doesn't necessarily mean you're putting the best team on the court. Lawrence Taylor did not work the hardest of giant players on the practice field however his ability far exceeded anyone else in the league. In this scenario a HOF player would have been relegated to the bench on Willard's team. You say we win but we've never gotten to the second weekend of the tournament under Willard. This isn't a crap on Willard post. I want him as our coach but here needs to do a better job of recruiting even if it means promising minutes to get top talent in here and overlook subpar practice for superior talent.Willard plays the minutes straight up. Work hard, you get time. It’s what I believe has made this team despite the things that may hold us back. If you look at the top teams and the rankings of their players prior to signing, we are probably near the bottom of the pile. But we win. So what do we want? If we don’t land a player because KW didn’t guarantee minutes, do we beat up Willard? I think like everything we watch and hope for the best.
Maybe can get a few more mins with Sandro and (maybe) Samuel at the 3. But I don’t think KW will promise anything. Next year we can be good with or without Sanogo. But we need to land him for a lot of reasonsMamu for 30 mpg and Samuel for 15 mpg is fine by me. 5 min for Mamu at the 5 spot, 20 for Ike, 15 for Sanogo. Who says no?
he rebounds pretty wellI think a lot of people are undestimating what kind of time Mamu might get at the 5 if Samuel raises his game. I thought Samuel was a raw and tough of a player that we've seen here in a while. With some hard work I think he can be really good and force Mamu to get more minutes at 5 than people think.
The guy is TALL, Lengthy, and can hit 3's as well in regards to Samuel, he has athleticism and skill.... will be great in another yearI think a lot of people are undestimating what kind of time Mamu might get at the 5 if Samuel raises his game. I thought Samuel was a raw and tough of a player that we've seen here in a while. With some hard work I think he can be really good and force Mamu to get more minutes at 5 than people think.
I have to totally disagree with this.Working hard doesn't necessarily mean you're putting the best team on the court. Lawrence Taylor did not work the hardest of giant players on the practice field however his ability far exceeded anyone else in the league. In this scenario a HOF player would have been relegated to the bench on Willard's team. You say we win but we've never gotten to the second weekend of the tournament under Willard. This isn't a crap on Willard post. I want him as our coach but here needs to do a better job of recruiting even if it means promising minutes to get top talent in here and overlook subpar practice for superior talent.
It's like a good friend of mine and a past SHU coach always tells me....you can't fool the players. They know exactly what is happening and why. If you play and don't deserve to you have an issue in the locker room.I have to totally disagree with this.
He needs to promise minutes and overlook subpar practice to get better recruits? This goes against everything he’s built here. You start allowing people not to work hard because they are talented and you are finished. You lose credibility and lose the respect of the team.
And LT is a terrible example. Whether he always worked hard or not, he always played hard. He played like a crazed dog!
If Willard had an LT, he’d definitely play him. What effective players has Willard not let play?
Just to piggyback off this, an example is how Jay Wright has played his guys lately. He’s had two 5 star players in Quinerly and Antoine ride the bench regardless of how talented they are. Quinerly transferred after losing time to a player that had a high school ranking of around 200 (Gillespie). Gillespie earned it.I have to totally disagree with this.
He needs to promise minutes and overlook subpar practice to get better recruits? This goes against everything he’s built here. You start allowing people not to work hard because they are talented and you are finished. You lose credibility and lose the respect of the team.
And LT is a terrible example. Whether he always worked hard or not, he always played hard. He played like a crazed dog!
If Willard had an LT, he’d definitely play him. What effective players has Willard not let play?
Practice.....we're talking about Practice.....
Assume you mean 14-15?It's like a good friend of mine and a past SHU coach always tells me....you can't fool the players. They know exactly what is happening and why. If you play and don't deserve to you have an issue in the locker room.
That happened once in the past and destroyed a season for the Hall. It will never happen again under our present day staff.
You want to play for Kevin Willard you better show the proper effort and then of course get results.