And they allowed him back into classes

[NYShoreGuy]

6-year-old who shot Virginia teacher Abby Zwerner once choked another teacher

The disturbing claim of earlier violence was raised in a legal filing stating shot teacher Abby Zwerner plans to sue the Newport News school district.

nypost.com

 

[Merge]

Hope they go after the parents.

 

[shu09]

Hope they go after the parents.

Why? Unless the gun can be proven to have been purchased or stored illegally, there's little to go after them for. Maybe they're "bad parents," but that's not illegal. Maybe the kid is just bonkers crazy, beyond hope, and they've been doing everything they can to control him. We don't know enough of the facts here when it comes to the parents.

To me, it looks like they have their own problems dealing with this nutjob kid. I remember reading that one of them is usually with him at school but were not that day. The kid is obviously deranged/mentally ill. I'm sure the parents have had enough issues dealing with that over the last few years.

Looks like the school and the assistant principal are the ones who need to be held accountable.

 

[Merge]

Why? Unless the gun can be proven to have been purchased or stored illegally, there's little to go after them for. Maybe they're "bad parents," but that's not illegal. Maybe the kid is just bonkers crazy, beyond hope, and they've been doing everything they can to control him. We don't know enough of the facts here when it comes to the parents.

To me, it looks like they have their own problems dealing with this nutjob kid. I remember reading that one of them is usually with him at school but were not that day. The kid is obviously deranged/mentally ill. I'm sure the parents have had enough issues dealing with that over the last few years.

Looks like the school and the assistant principal are the ones who need to be held accountable.

That kid should not have had access to a gun. I don't think we need to question if they are bad parents or not. They left a gun accessible for a kid with mental issues. That's horrendous parenting.

Unfortunately you are correct that the law is on their side.

 

[HALL85]

That kid should not have had access to a gun. I don't think we need to question if they are bad parents or not. They left a gun accessible for a kid with mental issues. That's horrendous parenting.

Unfortunately you are correct that the law is on their side.

Agree. To leave a gun that is not secure with a six year old is irresponsible and criminal IMO. Absolutely no excuse. Should take that child away from them.

 

[shu09]

Agree. To leave a gun that is not secure with a six year old is irresponsible and criminal IMO. Absolutely no excuse. Should take that child away from them.

Has it been proven that the gun wasn't secure? That's the only reason I'd support "going after" the parents. The school and assistant principal deserve more scrutiny. The kid is clearly messed up and may be beyond hope/parenting.

 

[HALL85]

Has it been proven that the gun wasn't secure? That's the only reason I'd support "going after" the parents. The school and assistant principal deserve more scrutiny. The kid is clearly messed up and may be beyond hope/parenting.

How can a 6 year old get a gun and ammo? That’s the whole idea of having it locked up along with ammo. The school bears their fair share of scrutiny but IMO the parents are ultimately the issue.

Interesting that they also have not shown photos of the parents.

 

[SHUSA]

absolutely on the parents.

 

[SHUMatt]

There is a lot of blame to go around here. The parents are to blame for allowing a 6-year-old access to a gun. Especially a 6-year-old with obvious mental/anger issues.

The school is also to blame for not taking the threat seriously enough to completely search all of his belongings. In NJ, school officials would be fully in the right to search the kid, his belongings and his locker if he had one.

Society is also to blame. We have become so soft and try to protect the criminals rather than the victims. It is part of the woke culture and hopefully the pendulum swings back the other way before more innocent people get hurt or killed.

 

[ed odowd]

Woke becomes a joke again. If he brings a gun in again shoot him in the leg like Biden suggests the police should do.

 

[Merge]

There is a lot of blame to go around here. The parents are to blame for allowing a 6-year-old access to a gun. Especially a 6-year-old with obvious mental/anger issues.

Yep.

The school is also to blame for not taking the threat seriously enough to completely search all of his belongings. In NJ, school officials would be fully in the right to search the kid, his belongings and his locker if he had one.

Yep.

Society is also to blame. We have become so soft and try to protect the criminals rather than the victims. It is part of the woke culture and hopefully the pendulum swings back the other way before more innocent people get hurt or killed.

What? None of that makes sense in this context. No one is protecting a criminal.
Bad parents let kids have a gun and a bad school administrator did not take the threat seriously.
That has nothing to do with woke culture.

 

[SHUMatt]

Yep.



Yep.



What? None of that makes sense in this context. No one is protecting a criminal.
Bad parents let kids have a gun and a bad school administrator did not take the threat seriously.
That has nothing to do with woke culture.

They protected him by being afraid to search his hoodie pocket. They protected him by giving him way too many chances after showing violent behavior. The woke culture is afraid to call this kid what he is, a problem child with emotional/mental issues. After choking his teacher, he should have been placed in a special school where they can handle him better. Add in the threats that he made to other students. The cancel culture and woke society make people afraid to put a label on this kid as a problem child. They gave him too many chances and someone got shot over it.

 

[Merge]

They protected him by being afraid to search his hoodie pocket. They protected him by giving him way too many chances after showing violent behavior. The woke culture is afraid to call this kid what he is, a problem child with emotional/mental issues. After choking his teacher, he should have been placed in a special school where they can handle him better. Add in the threats that he made to other students. The cancel culture and woke society make people afraid to put a label on this kid as a problem child. They gave him too many chances and someone got shot over it.

You're just making up all of that though. You have no idea what lead to this and how they treated the kid prior to this. Maybe the 1 person responsible who did not want to search the kid just didn't believe that a 6 year old would bring a gun to school and shoot someone.

It's not like bad things never happened prior to woke culture. Assigning this to a culture war just because you want it to fit in that box would be just as wrong as if I came here and said that Society was to blame because we have become a culture so obsessed with and accepting of guns.

 

[SHUMatt]

You're just making up all of that though. You have no idea what lead to this and how they treated the kid prior to this. Maybe the 1 person responsible who did not want to search the kid just didn't believe that a 6 year old would bring a gun to school and shoot someone.

It's not like bad things never happened prior to woke culture. Assigning this to a culture war just because you want it to fit in that box would be just as wrong as if I came here and said that Society was to blame because we have become a culture so obsessed with and accepting of guns.

The kid choked a teacher. That is a fact. The kid threatened other students. That is another fact. He was back in school after only being suspended one day after choking the teacher. Fact again. That is giving the kid too many chances in my opinion, based off facts. You then go off on maybey's and say I'm making things up. Keep your head in the sand and pretend the world is full of butterflies and rainbows. Let kids come to school with guns and don't search them even after being told by multiple people that he had a gun and being told that people were in fear.

 

[Merge]

The kid choked a teacher. That is a fact. The kid threatened other students. That is another fact. He was back in school after only being suspended one day after choking the teacher. Fact again. That is giving the kid too many chances in my opinion, based off facts.

Right... but you know all of that happened with kids before "wokeness, right? There have been hundreds of shootings at schools in the US in our history which extend way before wokeness was ever a thing.

We agree on the facts and we agree on the failure. I don't agree with extending this into a culture war.

The parents failed to keep a gun away from this kid with clear mental issues.
The assistant principle failed to take the the threat seriously.

 

[shu09]

But according to gun control advocates, school shootings are only a recent thing. Not prior to woke left wing culture. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Merge]

But according to gun control advocates, school shootings are only a recent thing. Not prior to woke left wing culture. Can't have it both ways.

I'm not even making a culture war argument here. Bad stuff happens regardless of culture sometimes. We can't prevent every bad thing from occurring.

Like I said, I wouldn't frame this as a gun control argument and blame gun culture.
That's just just as wrong as blaming woke culture... Though I would agree with gun control advocates that every state should require guns be locked up safely away from children and parents would be criminally liable if the children shoot someone with them.

That alone could have prevented this from occurring.

 

[shu09]

Another potential incident at the same school. 5th grader threatening a shooting over text messages. Clearly there is a culture and/or mental issue in this community.

On another note, why does a 5th grader have a cell phone?!

5th grader threatens shooting at Newport News elementary school as investigation into 6-year-old wraps

This latest incident at Richneck Elementary comes as the police investigation into what led to a 6-year-old student shooting his teacher.

abcnews.go.com

 

[HALL85]

Another potential incident at the same school. 5th grader threatening a shooting over text messages. Clearly there is a culture and/or mental issue in this community.

On another note, why does a 5th grader have a cell phone?!

5th grader threatens shooting at Newport News elementary school as investigation into 6-year-old wraps

This latest incident at Richneck Elementary comes as the police investigation into what led to a 6-year-old student shooting his teacher.

abcnews.go.com

The average age for a smart phone now is like 10 or 11....why? I have no idea. Look at the parents...the kid isn't buying that on his/her own. Remember how parents used the television as a baby sitter...now it's the cell-phone and everything it has available. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/18/opinion/depression-teen-social.html

 

[shu09]

The average age for a smart phone now is like 10 or 11....why? I have no idea. Look at the parents...the kid isn't buying that on his/her own. Remember how parents used the television as a baby sitter...now it's the cell-phone and everything it has available. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/18/opinion/depression-teen-social.html

Interesting, that's crazy to me. But I guess it fits with the pattern of increasing exposure to technology and social media among the youth today. Rarely do I see kids playing outside (shooting hoops, running around, playing soccer, etc.). They're all glued to their phones and/or playing video games. It's scary in a way.

My parents didn't let me get a cell phone until I was 17. And back then that wasn't even a "smart" phone, it was a flip phone. If I were a parent today, as a general guide I wouldn't allow it until at least high school, or maybe once they start taking driving lessons at 16.

 

[SHUMatt]

Almost every kid has a smart phone today. They don't even know how to talk to one another. Its all text.

 

[HALL85]

Almost every kid has a smart phone today. They don't even know how to talk to one another. Its all text.

How many times do you go out to a restaurant and see an entire family all fixated on their smart phones and not each other. It's really pathetic. We never allowed (and still don't) looking at cell phones when we have a meal.

 

[Merge]

If I were a parent today, as a general guide I wouldn't allow it until at least high school, or maybe once they start taking driving lessons at 16.

We were also planning on no phones until 16 until my daughter entered middle school and had gained some independence and is involved in several after school activities. We wanted a way for her to be able to get in touch with us (no pay phones anymore like when I was growing up) so our options were a watch or a phone. Given that she has an iPad for school, we just got the point where it didn't seem to be that much of a difference. We don't let her have it when homework needs to get done or when it's time to go to sleep.

We decided that a phone could be something she could "earn" through being responsible and could also lose it if she is irresponsible.

I still don't love that she has one but she's been responsible about it for the most part and we've also talked about how dangerous they can be with her. It's far from ideal but hasn't been all downside.