Andrew Cuomo - "We were never great"

[Hall-line-forever]

What's your thought on the latest Democrat to trash this great country?

We have our issues no doubt, but we are far more superior than most countries (if not all) in this world. Another unhinged elected politician who comes from privilege by the way.

 

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He worded it very poorly but I agree with the sentiment especially in the context of his next sentence.

"We have not reached greatness. We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged"

"Better than other countries" doesn't define greatness.
You can point to any point in time when America was great, but there were likely parts of that era that look pretty ugly as well.

Aim to be better. That's a good message.

 

[SPK145]

He's just another asshole politician playing to his audience/base, just like Trump from the other side.

 

[HALL85]

He's just another asshole politician playing to his audience/base, just like Trump from the other side.

This.

This will go down as his “basket of deplorable‘s” moment. Pretty much impossible to recover from that one.

Someone who is heavily involved in New York politics told me several years ago that Mario Cuomo was ruthless and smart. He said unfortunately Andrew only has one of those qualities.

 

[Section112]

Cuomo is a complete ass. He couldn't lace his father's shoes let alone walk in them. And that whiny voice ugh! Not sure which is worse him or his brother.

 

[cernjSHU]

It was certainly a gaffe. However, it was such a bad one that I think he is done in trying to seek higher office. That is what happens when you play in Trump's rhetoric. There is no way he should have made that type of mistake. There are so many things he could have stated. He is certainly not his father.

 

[Pirate64]

Give me one country in the history of the world that has done it better.
Cuomo’s grandfather - a fruit store owner in Queens emigrated from Italy- must be rolling over in his grave.

And so must every immigrant who came in that great wave ( 1880-1920) and worked hard, even lived in the back of the store-so their kids wouldn’t have to.

And along comes a MIddlebury educated snot like Cuomo telling us that this not a great country.

The opportunity is there for everyone now- but one generation has to "live in the back of the store” and make the sacrifice.

 

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Give me one country in the history of the world that has done it better.
Cuomo’s grandfather - a fruit store owner in Queens emigrated from Italy- must be rolling over in his grave.

And so must every immigrant who came in that great wave ( 1880-1920) and worked hard, even lived in the back of the store-so their kids wouldn’t have to.

And along comes a MIddlebury educated snot like Cuomo telling us that this not a great country.

The opportunity is there for everyone now- but one generation has to "live in the back of the store” and make the sacrifice.

Look, I’m not a fan of Cuomo. I think what he said was really stupid politically, but it was clear that your interpretation of what he said is not correct.

He didn’t say greatness can not occur in America, he said America has not been great, and that we can be great when all citizens are engaged.

What time period can you point to where America was great? Obviously rhetorical because there was part of America that wasn’t great during every time period. We could have been better in any time period.

He wasn’t wrong, just not politically correct.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

What time period can you point to where America was great? Obviously rhetorical because there was part of America that wasn’t great during every time period. We could have been better in any time period.

He wasn’t wrong, just not politically correct.

That's a really crappy interpretation. We have never been perfect but you can pick many time periods where America was great. Yes we've always had issues but the greatest in all fields have had issues, but that doesn't mean they weren't great. Greatness can occur without perfection.

This theory makes it sound like why the heck should we honor the 1989 team? Based on your theory they could have done better, they must not have been great. Lol

 

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That's a really crappy interpretation. We have never been perfect but you can pick many time periods where America was great. Yes we've always had issues but the greatest in all fields have had issues, but that doesn't mean they weren't great. Greatness can occur without perfection.

This theory makes it sound like why the heck should we honor the 1989 team? Based on your theory they could have done better, they must not have been great. Lol

Comparing a great basketball team to a country who went through a period where owning slaves was legal seems a little silly.

One of the problems with the make America great again slogan was that it was never defined. When were we great? Could we truely be great before we ended segregation? During the Vietnam war? During soaring crime rates of the 70’s and 80’s? After you pick the period where we were great, how many people were living in poverty? What was the high school graduation rate and so on and so on.

Greatness occurred many times throughout our history but the reason why no one ever defined what “maga” looks like is because we are better today than we were then. Pick any time period and that’s true. We’re still not great and have plenty of work to do.

 

[HALL85]

Comparing a great basketball team to a country who went through a period where owning slaves was legal seems a little silly.

One of the problems with the make America great again slogan was that it was never defined. When were we great? Could we truely be great before we ended segregation? During the Vietnam war? During soaring crime rates of the 70’s and 80’s? After you pick the period where we were great, how many people were living in poverty? What was the high school graduation rate and so on and so on.

Greatness occurred many times throughout our history but the reason why no one ever defined what “maga” looks like is because we are better today than we were then. Pick any time period and that’s true. We’re still not great and have plenty of work to do.

Actually it was a great slogan because it worked. It resonated and stuck. This country may not be perfect but we have accomplished many great things.

If we are going to analyze slogans, what did “Hope and Change” mean? Slogans mean different things to different people.

 

[HALL85]

It was certainly a gaffe. However, it was such a bad one that I think he is done in trying to seek higher office. That is what happens when you play in Trump's rhetoric. There is no way he should have made that type of mistake. There are so many things he could have stated. He is certainly not his father.

Agree...This is really what it’s about. It’s amazing that Cuomo learned nothing from Clinton’s failed strategy. If you attack Trump on his terms, you lose. If you don’t have a vision that resonates and make it about “you are not Trump”, you will use. If you insult the electorate or our history....guess what?

Define the problems as you see them and your plan to fix it.

 

[shu09]

To me, it's quite obvious that the MAGA slogan is/was in reference to the economy. American industry, American-made products.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Comparing a great basketball team to a country who went through a period where owning slaves was legal seems a little silly.

One of the problems with the make America great again slogan was that it was never defined. When were we great? Could we truely be great before we ended segregation? During the Vietnam war? During soaring crime rates of the 70’s and 80’s? After you pick the period where we were great, how many people were living in poverty? What was the high school graduation rate and so on and so on.

Greatness occurred many times throughout our history but the reason why no one ever defined what “maga” looks like is because we are better today than we were then. Pick any time period and that’s true. We’re still not great and have plenty of work to do.

Actually I never compared them, I just showed how ridiculous your logic was by using the same logic on a different topic. If you prefer something in the political spectrum..... I'm sure we could have done things better during World War II, maybe because of that you think our military leaders and those you fought were not great. Do you prefer that analogy?

Whether the slogan was defined or not it obviously was something that many Americans felt a connection with. Jobs were leaving the country. Politicians acting in their own best interest not the best interest of the people. And maybe for everyone they had their own personal story of where they wanted to see America how it used to be. You say everything is better now than it was. How many children are raised with 2 parents now vs 50 years ago? How many communities look out for the kids the way parents looked after their own kids as well as their kids friends like 50 years ago? How may people preferred living in an America where you could say Merry Christmas?

 

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Actually it was a great slogan because it worked. It resonated and stuck. This country may not be perfect but we have accomplished many great things.

If we are going to analyze slogans, what did “Hope and Change” mean? Slogans mean different things to different people.

Indeed. It was a great political slogan.
It wasn’t meant to point to a specific point in time, it was meant to let you decide what that looked like. Very good political strategy...

We are taking about figuring out when America was actually great now in the context of Coumo’s quote.

 

[HALL85]

Indeed. It was a great political slogan.
It wasn’t meant to point to a specific point in time, it was meant to let you decide what that looked like. Very good political strategy...

We are taking about figuring out when America was actually great now in the context of Coumo’s quote.

I was responding to your post that had nothing to do with Cuomo...nice try.

 

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Actually I never compared them, I just showed how ridiculous your logic was by using the same logic on a different topic. If you prefer something in the political spectrum..... I'm sure we could have done things better during World War II, maybe because of that you think our military leaders and those you fought were not great. Do you prefer that analogy?

Whether the slogan was defined or not it obviously was something that many Americans felt a connection with. Jobs were leaving the country. Politicians acting in their own best interest not the best interest of the people. And maybe for everyone they had their own personal story of where they wanted to see America how it used to be. You say everything is better now than it was. How many children are raised with 2 parents now vs 50 years ago? How many communities look out for the kids the way parents looked after their own kids as well as their kids friends like 50 years ago? How may people preferred living in an America where you could say Merry Christmas?

I didn’t say everything is better today, I said we are better today... not in every sense, but you can’t just ignore the technological advances of the last 50 years, improvements in education, healthcare etc. you can now live a healthy life with a disease that would have been a death sentence 50 wars ago.

And you can say merry Christmas to whoever you want. God forbid people try to be inclusive and say happy holidays. If Jesus walks on earth during Christmas and sees the decorated trees and the absurd amount spent on gifts and the glutinous amount of food consumed celebrating his birth... I’m sure he would be really pissed if you didn’t say merry Christmas to someone you don’t know and have no idea if they are Christian.

 

[shu09]

I haven't been around too long but in my lifetime, America was pretty darn great in the mid-late 90s. Then we lost our way after 9/11.

 

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I was responding to your post that had nothing to do with Cuomo...nice try.

You seriously think Coumo’s comment has nothing to do with Trump’s MAGA slogan?

My post had everything to do with Cuomo. He said we can’t MAGA because we were never great but we can be.

I’m askkng when we were great also in the context of maga and Cuomo’s Comments.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I didn’t say everything is better today, I said we are better today... not in every sense, but you can’t just ignore the technological advances of the last 50 years, improvements in education, healthcare etc. you can now live a healthy life with a disease that would have been a death sentence 50 wars ago.

And you can say merry Christmas to whoever you want. God forbid people try to be inclusive and say happy holidays. If Jesus walks on earth during Christmas and sees the decorated trees and the absurd amount spent on gifts and the glutinous amount of food consumed celebrating his birth... I’m sure he would be really pissed if you didn’t say merry Christmas to someone you don’t know and have no idea if they are Christian.

Nor can you deny the devaluation on family and community, as well as increase in mental illness and harmful foods we put in our bodies. How many kids today can solve a problem and move on by dooking it out odds or evens? How many can play a sport just to play it without referees, uniforms, etc. Also how many kids do you remember with peanut allergies growing up? How many restaurants did you eat at growing up that had gluten free options? Look at the autism rate the last 10 years. So while there has been advancements in medicine, we have many new diseases as well.

Actually there are quite a few places you could get fired for saying Merry Christmas. I guess you have a first amendment right to protest at work (NFL) but dont say Merry Christmas or else you're fired. Lol

 

[HALL85]

You seriously think Coumo’s comment has nothing to do with Trump’s MAGA slogan?

My post had everything to do with Cuomo. He said we can’t MAGA because we were never great but we can be.

I’m askkng when we were great also in the context of maga and Cuomo’s Comments.

Go back and read that specific post again....

 

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Nor can you deny the devaluation on family and community, as well as increase in mental illness and harmful foods we put in our bodies.

Actually there are quite a few places you could get fired for saying Merry Christmas. I guess you have a first amendment right to protest at work (NFL) but dont say Merry Christmas or else you're fired. Lol

Right. Like I said, we are not better in every way. I believe the crime rate was actually higher 50 yeas ago, (and on the rise) than it is today. There is a lot you can point to as ring good or better in any time period, but there were parts of those periods that were ugly as well. That was Cuomo’s point. Our history has a lot of discrimination and marginalized groups.

His point was when you say, make America great again, you are talking about going back to a period where discrimination and marginalization was worse... so how can we say that period was “great”?

 

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Go back and read that specific post again....

Again, Cuomo was specifically talking about MAGA. That is why I was taking about MAGA in the context of what Cuomo said.

He was saying we were never great so I was asking those who have an issue with what he said to define what their interpretation of MAGA looked like.

 

[HALL85]

Right. Like I said, we are not better in every way. I believe the crime rate was actually higher 50 yeas ago, (and on the rise) than it is today. There is a lot you can point to as ring good or better in any time period, but there were parts of those periods that were ugly as well. That was Cuomo’s point. Our history has a lot of discrimination and marginalized groups.

His point was when you say, make America great again, you are talking about going back to a period where discrimination and marginalization was worse... so how can we say that period was “great”?

i'm not sure we can unequivocally state, the point Cuomo was making. He was all over the board and you can interpret what he said in several ways.

I don't understand why I politicians like Cuomo are contorting themselves to make the slogan an issue. My advice is stay away from it and create your own. Or this is what happens....

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Right. Like I said, we are not better in every way. I believe the crime rate was actually higher 50 yeas ago, (and on the rise) than it is today. There is a lot you can point to as ring good or better in any time period, but there were parts of those periods that were ugly as well. That was Cuomo’s point. Our history has a lot of discrimination and marginalized groups.

His point was when you say, make America great again, you are talking about going back to a period where discrimination and marginalization was worse... so how can we say that period was “great”?

So basically you have a pessimistic view of the world. There’s always been some sort of discrimination and marginalization. Because of that this Earth has never been great at all. All time periods have been mediocre at best. Maybe it was at its peak when dinosaurs ruled the world.

 

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So basically you have a pessimistic view of the world. There’s always been some sort of discrimination and marginalization. Because of that this Earth has never been great at all. All time periods have been mediocre at best. Maybe it was at its peak when dinosaurs ruled the world.

I have an optimistic view of the world that we can be better today than we were yesterday.
That is not pessimism. We should always learn from our mistakes and try to be better.

Hazard Zet Backwards?

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[Pirata]

For me, it comes down to your ethos relative to optimism and pessimism along with your view on self-determination.

Anyone could easily post a litany of American accomplishments and wonderful things about this country which would then be quickly countered with someone posting pictures of soup lines and Southern lynchings. Throw in the Catholic church sex abuse, Colin Kaepernick's world of oppressed African Americans (I am sure Jews chuckle at that one) and we have the makings of another fantastic thread to nowhere.

The notion that greatness is defined by "when everyone is engaged" reflects what I believe to be a liberal tendency to know what's best for everyone else. There are many, many people who have no desire to be engaged and they are quite happy being so. (A small example of that is the residents of Diomede)

The notion that we will be great when everyone has free college tuition is another windmill that I will enjoy watching our emerging socialists battle.

I am quite happy to stick with Life, Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness. Happiness left to be define by the individual and not the State.

Cuomo slipped up big time and gave Republicans an awesome soundbite that we are sure to hear again a few times before November 2020.

Open and fair trade
Less and simpler taxes
Jobs and basic Industry
Technology leadership
Secure borders
Fair and enforced immigration
Less regulation
Strong Military
Law and Order
Energy independence
Right to bear arms vs. planned parentlhood's right to sell arms
Denuclearization of the rogue states.
Healthcare for the indigent (geez, we already have that)
Healthcare for the disabled (geez, we already have that)
Healthcare for the elderly (geez, we already have that)
Higher Education opportunity for all (geez we already have that)

Less focus on Stormy and Omarosa. Never mind. Keep up the focus on that crap. It allows progress on the other items.

Have Mueller bring proper closure to the investigation.
Accept the outcome of the election.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I have an optimistic view of the world that we can be better today than we were yesterday.
That is not pessimism. We should always learn from our mistakes and try to be better.

Hazard Zet Backwards?

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No but looking back on things as nothing was great is just sad.

 

[Stevie_H]

This will go down as his “basket of deplorable‘s” moment. Pretty much impossible to recover from that one.

In the day and age of Trump, is there such a thing as an impossible to recover from comments?

 

[SPK145]

Pirata just hit it out of the park, that should be published in every newspaper as opposed to Cuomo's stupidity and the recent, silly Trump Derangement Syndrome phony diatribe about a free and independent press.

 

[SPK145]

In the day and age of Trump, is there such a thing as an impossible to recover from comments?

Nope, each one's sycophantic base just shrugs it off.

 

[Stevie_H]

A reasonable, objective person will read the full Cuomo quote and be able to understand what it is. It’s clumsy, poorly worded attempt at pandering to his base. You don’t have to agree with it, but it’s not hard to get what it is.

His base will lap it up and/or explain it away, because they’re lemmings. The opposition’s base will cherry-pick one line, misconstrue it’s meaning, and be “outraged” while ignoring the the biggest offender of lying and disgusting comments in the history of politics, because they’re lemmings.

SOS, different day.

 

[HALL85]

In the day and age of Trump, is there such a thing as an impossible to recover from comments?

Trump says the most stupid stuff, hands down. He hasn't directly insulted the electorate yet though.

 

[HALL85]

Pirata just hit it out of the park, that should be published in every newspaper as opposed to Cuomo's stupidity and the recent, silly Trump Derangement Syndrome phony diatribe about a free and independent press.

Don't encourage him....now he's going to write the Morning Call

 

[Stevie_H]

Trump says the most stupid stuff, hands down. He hasn't directly insulted the electorate yet though.

I don't care to jump down a semantic rabbit hole on this one, but I'll just say it's safe to assume he's insulted everyone in some way at some point.

 

[Pirata]

Trump says the most stupid stuff, hands down. He hasn't directly insulted the electorate yet though.

I don't care to jump down a semantic rabbit hole on this one, but I'll just say it's safe to assume he's insulted everyone in some way at some point.

I recall one time Ivanka was getting interviewed and she said something to the effect that her father is an equal-opportunity offender.

 

[Pirate64]

Look, I’m not a fan of Cuomo. I think what he said was really stupid politically, but it was clear that your interpretation of what he said is not correct.

He didn’t say greatness can not occur in America, he said America has not been great, and that we can be great when all citizens are engaged.

What time period can you point to where America was great? Obviously rhetorical because there was part of America that wasn’t great during every time period. We could have been better in any time period.

He wasn’t wrong, just not politically correct.

When America was great in my view:
The Revolution
The Civil War
The Great Wave of immigration Period
World War I
The New Deal
The Million Man March
World War II- greatest generation
The Reagan Years

Every one of these eras exemplified America’s greatness.
Many of them gave impetus to its bedrock foundation: Individual initiative, responsibility, sacrifice, and self sufficiency.

But guys like Cuomo pander to those who want the gov’t to make up for their lack of initiative and self-sacrifice. Especially self- sufficiency.

This growing mooching class will be our death knell.

 

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Every one of these eras exemplified America’s greatness.
Many of them gave impetus to its bedrock foundation: Individual initiative, responsibility, sacrifice, and self sufficiency.

Like I said, great things happened and will continue to happen in every era. I personally have a hard time calling any time period where where we did not treat minorties and women as equals “great”.

I’ll never get your demonizing if the poor. Greed will be our down fall. Wealthy people pay to figure out how to avoid paying taxes, but a poor person finding something to their advantage is destroying the country.

 

[Pirate64]

Like I said, great things happened and will continue to happen in every era. I personally have a hard time calling any time period where where we did not treat minorties and women as equals “great”.

I’ll never get your demonizing if the poor. Greed will be our down fall. Wealthy people pay to figure out how to avoid paying taxes, but a poor person finding something to their advantage is destroying the country.

Demonizing the poor? Pay the price and with few exceptions, no one in America has to be poor today. There are jobs out there and plenty of them.
The Asians , Latinos ,Haitians and Pakistanis and others are proof of that. They are not white and many don’t speak English when they get here.
But their work and family ethic is getting them ahead fast. And that- more than anything is what it takes

My story:
My grandfathers came from Italy and Poland on about 1910. They were dirt poor. No English. Worked two jobs, raised 10 kids between them. And stayed lower middle class til the end. But they provided for their families,were role models for their sons and the sons of their sons (me) -and showed what it took to achieve the American dream.

When my Italian grandfather at 65 was forcibly retired from the Wagner Pie Co, he said: “ I worked hard , they paid me every week. That’s all a man can expect”

Amen.

 

[Hall-line-forever]

Pirate64. I absolutely loved that story. Amen is right. I might add that Italian Americans had to overcome serious suspisions which were prejudicial about their past Every ethnicity experiences it that comes to USA. Did people in your family serve in the wars?