Another night, another campus shooting
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All shootings are awful, whether they are a case of domestic violence or indiscriminate violence like this. But it seems to me like the definition of "mass shooting" is too broad and leads to mass hysteria in the media, feeding the political agendas. This kind of stuff happens on the south side of Chicago every week, yet that receives little to no media coverage. This was plastered all over the place last night and this morning. Why the difference?
Suspect is a 43 year old man unaffiliated with the university who killed himself. Another kook. But mental health isn't the issue, right?
Suspect is a 43 year old man unaffiliated with the university who killed himself. Another kook. But mental health isn't the issue, right?
No different than the kook who mowed down a bunch of people in Brooklyn with a U-Haul.
I agree. We should make anyone who drives an automobile prove they are capable of driving an automobile prior to obtaining a license which they must renew every 4 years. They should also be required to register these automobiles which they drive. If they sell or transfer them to another person, they should be required to do so through an agency to track the sale and register them to the new owner.
Oh wait...
1-Do we know if Sor was even licensed to drive or hasn’t had it suspended or revoked?
2-Would any of the registration or licensing laws have prevented this tragedy?
Crazy people and bad people kill people. Maybe we should focus on that instead of the infinite tools they can use.
Maybe we should change the measurement to mass killing instead of mass shootings. Are the people who are killed by stabbing, an SUV, a U-Haul truck, a machete, a handgun, or a rifle any different? Might make more sense to profile the types of people that commit these acts.
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i really wouldnt equate univerisities to south side chicago. its bad for both, but universities are where kids go to be safe and learn.
mental health is definitely an issue. but its a worldwide issue. why are our mass shootings skewed compared to the rest of the world? there are bigger differences than mental health
Because our culture glorifies victimhood. Messed up in the head? Don't worry, it's not your fault. You're a victim of someone else, go blame them and fight back!
But our homicide rate (intentional killings) doesn’t bear that out at all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Looks like another George Sorors aligned liberal prosecuter.
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Oh look: The Michigan State suspect was previously arrested for illegally carrying a concealed gun but prosecutors dropped the felony charge against him
Tell me again how more gun laws are going to fix the problem:
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oh thank god. for a second i thought we were worse than south america and war torn africa. smooth sailing for US.
Looks like another George Sorors aligned liberal prosecuter.
Oh look: The Michigan State suspect was previously arrested for illegally carrying a concealed gun but prosecutors dropped the felony charge against him
Tell me again how more gun laws are going to fix the problem:
Just to clarify here.... You think people who have a loaded gun in their car should go to jail for two years?
Just want to make sure your siding against this woke prosecutor and are all for strict gun laws?
Also, the math doesn't really seem to work. June 2019 + 2 years = he would have been out now...
The guy in Brooklyn with the U-Haul should never have be on the streets. He stabbed someone and only went to jail for about a year. After he got out he stabbed his brother and only spent another year in jail. I don’t know how these judges sleep at night. These animals should be kept in cages for years, not months for these crimes. Now one person is dead and several are injured all because some candy-ass judge failed to do his/her job.Looks like another George Sorors aligned liberal prosecuter.
Oh look: The Michigan State suspect was previously arrested for illegally carrying a concealed gun but prosecutors dropped the felony charge against him
Tell me again how more gun laws are going to fix the problem:
When presented with facts, respond with a pithy line that ignores said facts…got it.
Those are simple facts but there is so much more that goes into a decision about pleading a case out. For example, he stabbed his brother, but is now the brother cooperating to restrict against the defendant? If not, how are you proving his case? Perhaps, it was during an argument and there is a legit self defense claim? So many factors occur. Unfair to a prosecutor who balances all the evidence in order to make that decision.
We are several times higher than any European country other than Russia and 3x higher than Canada. On gun deaths specifically if you compare us to other high income countries, we are far, far worse.
Mental health and how we address it is a large part of the problem, though other countries also have mental health issues... There are clearly other reasons why it is a bigger problem for us.
In the US suicides are listed as gun related deaths. Other countries they are not. Our suicide rate is a lot higher than other countries. That is something we definitely need to address.
A large portion of deaths with guns are illegal guns in inner Cities like Chicago, NY, Camden etc. All the gun control in the world is not going to work on criminals who have access to illegal guns. Additionally, we tend to let offenders who commit crimes with these illegal guns off with a slap on the wrist. Our judicial system has to get tougher on criminals who either possess illegal guns or worse, use them while committing crimes.
On a side note: I do believe all gun owners should have to registered guns every few years and go to a gun safety course to even own a gun.
Yep, far higher by suicide but was specifically referring to gun homicides
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia
Though, there are things we should be doing like requiring all sales be registered. Penalize the registered owner of a gun if it is used in a crime to discourage black market sales. A large amount of guns recovered in New York for example come in from other states with less strict gun laws. We need better laws across the country. We can't stop them all, like a crazy guy driving a truck into people, but we can try to mitigate the risks without harming the rights of legal gun owners.
I agree. Should be a mandatory jail sentence for possession of an illegal gun.
Seems reasonable.
"We can't stop them all." You're right. The problem is, whenever one of these things happen, the immediate response from politicians, media and people who don't know any better is, "we must do something!" Human beings have this flawed feeling that everything can be controlled/stopped and they insist on "something being done." That's not realistic, and leads to an endless cycle of incidents and over reactions, which result in continuous curtailing of rights and freedoms.
You do what's feasible without trampling on the rights of people who follow the rules. That means common sense background checks for every gun purchase. Maybe even a psychiatric evaluation or a doctor's note that says a person is fit to own a weapon. Mandatory minimums for illegal gun possession, purchase and/or usage. Stuff like that, which allows law abiding people to own weapons and does its best to keep weapons out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. You won't get them all, because criminals don't follow the rules. But you do your best to punish them when you catch them.
You do what's feasible without trampling on the rights of people who follow the rules. That means common sense background checks for every gun purchase. Maybe even a psychiatric evaluation or a doctor's note that says a person is fit to own a weapon. Mandatory minimums for illegal gun possession, purchase and/or usage. Stuff like that, which allows law abiding people to own weapons and does its best to keep weapons out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. You won't get them all, because criminals don't follow the rules. But you do your best to punish them when you catch them.
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Sure, there are lots of reasons. Mental health is definitely a significant one though.
Have to also look deeper on numbers in many areas. Most of the European countries you point to, are homogeneous in make-up. Intentional deaths have a higher proportion in minority communities in the U.S.. Penalties and prison time also more lenient here for gun crimes (and we can spare pointing out NY and California having strict laws, because if you don’t enforce, have stupid bail reform policies, etc. it’s all meaningless).
What you just said is perfectly reasonable, (I wouldn't even go as far as a doctors note) but the people who oppose any gun control measures won't let it happen.
We (and the far majority of the country) agrees on very basic suggestions that would not hurt law abiding gun owners. Politicians are afraid to touch it, so people scream "do something" after a tragedy and the politicians wait until the yelling stops to keep ignoring the issue, and that cycle keeps repeating.
If you talk to the most law-abiding gun owners, they would agree on stronger background measures BUT you also need to address penalties, mandatory prison at the same time if you want them on board.
Priority number one should be getting illegal guns out of the hands of criminals.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/mom-arrested-after-6-year-son-allegedly-brings/story?id=97225686
Case in point. Universal background checks would have no impact on this situation. The purchaser and this mother need to be locked up. Lucky a tragedy was averted but this is a big part of the problem.
Case in point. Universal background checks would have no impact on this situation. The purchaser and this mother need to be locked up. Lucky a tragedy was averted but this is a big part of the problem.
What’s crazy is that mother is facing a harsher penalty than the kids parents in Virginia where the kid took the gun to school and actually shot his teacher… because PA has better gun laws.
In other states, that private transfer could have been legal. Because it happened in a state with stronger laws, it was considered a straw purchase and they went after the original buyer. That’s good. Let’s do that across the country.
In other states, that private transfer could have been legal. Because it happened in a state with stronger laws, it was considered a straw purchase and they went after the original buyer. That’s good. Let’s do that across the country.
It only works if the judiciary system works and puts the criminal in jail.
It looks like the gun in Virginia was a legally purchased gun, where in Pennsylvania it wasn’t because of the straw purchase. She knew she was buying that gun illegally.
We don't know the full story about how the kid in VA got the gun. If it wasn't secured properly, or purchased illegally, then I agree the owner should face similar charges. But this story clearly shows the mother was reckless in the storage/security of her weapon and purchased it illegally.
True, but she wasn't charged with illegal possession (yet at least). She was charged with felony endangering welfare of a child and Reckless Endangerment related to failing to secure a firearm in her home, yet in Virginia where a kid actually shoots a teacher - nothing.
The charges here were not related to the gun being purchased illegally. Though, she should face a penalty for that as well.
She hasn’t been charged yet, but the way it was described, she absolutely should be. Is this a function of a DA that is more liberal and just charging minimally.
It's unfortunately just not that straight forward.
The duty of care is on the seller in the transaction, so not as clear cut in charging her with an illegal purchase as it is when charging the guy who sold it. She wasn't carrying the weapon, so illegal possession isn't straight forward either.
Possession by minors though is actually illegal so that is why she was able to be charged with endangerment.
Maybe the 2 years in prison would have made him think twice, plus they should have taken his gun away. Yes a loaded gun in a car should be 2 years in prison no questions asked. NONE period, plus you lose the right to carry. Stupid people should suffer the consequences when they do stupid things like carry a loaded gun in their car. I also think this prosecutor should lose his job, we have to enforce our guns laws. I'm sure you agree just stating the obvious. Anyone who takes a 10 minute tutorial knows that the gun and ammunition need to be in separate areas of the car. Why are we letting these people off?
Yep. I do.
I think penalties are required as a deterrent, though in cases like this where there is clearly a mental illness aspect, I am not sure we have the ability to have that guy come out mentally healthy on the other end of a two year sentence either... and he would have been out for years by now.
We don't know why she wasn't charged, but she purchased a gun illegally. Maybe there is some gray area in that they can't prove that, but common sense tells us she sought to buy the gun this way because she either didn't have a license or knew she wouldn't qualify to buy one legally.
The reality is she should do time. Totally irresponsible and there needs to be real accountability. The sad thing is that her kids will end up paying the price for her stupidity.
