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Sterling Gibbs went from a part time player for Texas in 2011-12 ( 7.5mpg, 2 .6ppg,0.7apg) to his 2014-15 SHU stats (33mpg,16.3ppg,3.8apg) Many on this board criticize the SHU staff for not developing talent in players but that looks like quite an improvement and development to me.
Yea its crazy how many more points and assists you get when your minutes are quintupled.
So anyone who plays proportionately more minutes , will score proportionately more points. Then what happened to Sina.
Guess he didn't player develop Sina, then. Though I do agree it's exciting to player develop someone to Gibbs' caliber right out of the program!
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He decided he was transferring before knowing where he was going. I understand he may know already and is just doing his due diligence, but that speaks volumes.
If Sina only played 7 minutes his stats would be much much worse. The 7 mins from 33 to 40 would be a big difference too. I think its clear that Gibbs always had the talent, but wasnt utilized properly... which is why i thought he left Texas in the first place.
I don't think skill development is anywhere near the top of the list of complaints voiced here. Locker room management, recruiting, in game coaching, leadership these are all mentioned much more frequently than skill development. This staff helped to develop Fuquan from a raw prospect into a 3-and-D fringe NBA player, helped JT develop into a beast of a point guard that almost carried an entire team to the NCAA's, and helped Aaron G develop into a decent backup center which is a world away from his starting point.
There's two problems with crediting this staff for player development. First, you can have the most developed players in the game, if they can't play together and don't win it is meaningless. Second, it takes away from the hard work the individual players put in for their own development. The number one person responsible for turning Fuquan into a good 3 point shooter is Fuquan, not the staff. He shot nearly 40% from 3 in the D-League this year, does Willard and crew get credit for that? I don't think they were in Sioux Falls coaching him.
There's two problems with crediting this staff for player development. First, you can have the most developed players in the game, if they can't play together and don't win it is meaningless. Second, it takes away from the hard work the individual players put in for their own development. The number one person responsible for turning Fuquan into a good 3 point shooter is Fuquan, not the staff. He shot nearly 40% from 3 in the D-League this year, does Willard and crew get credit for that? I don't think they were in Sioux Falls coaching him.
Thanks chickenbox for proving my point. Shuathelete implied in his post that the only reason Gibbs' stats improved was because of more playing time. The coaching staff had nothing to do with it.Now you imply that Sina's lack of stats had everything to do with the coaching staff. I just think that there is a happy median between coaches' input and the player's work habits that lead to a player's improvement. Don't you think so?
I didn't prove your point. My point was that it's funny to give credit for players that develop but not blame for those that don't. I wouldn't know how to mete out credit/blame for coaches regarding player performance.
No. I was stating his initial lack of production (the stats you cited) were because he played 7 mins a game. I believe that players develop through their own hard work. For a teenager/early 20s kid every year is like 2.
I think good coaches can get kids to quit bad habits. Robinson shot more 3s. Teague didnt stop the useless power dribble. Mobley never asserted himself.
We'll see if Willard can get Carrington to stop forcing himself in the lane with no plan, or if he can get Whitehead to stop taking terrible shots. I have a hunch on how its all going to play out.
I think good coaches can get kids to quit bad habits. Robinson shot more 3s. Teague didnt stop the useless power dribble. Mobley never asserted himself.
We'll see if Willard can get Carrington to stop forcing himself in the lane with no plan, or if he can get Whitehead to stop taking terrible shots. I have a hunch on how its all going to play out.
So then it takes both the player and the coaching staff to facilitate the player's developement.
Not saying they didn't help in Aaron G.'s development, but this story attributes a lot of Aaron's development going into his senior year to John Amaechi's tutoring in the off season in England.
Where will Goodman have Willard #1, 2, or 3 on his coaches on the hot seat article for this upcoming season? Only people that could be ahead of him would be Gregory at Georgia Tech and Crean at Indy.
Yea its some sort of mix. But our specific situation is most likely 100% on the players for development.
I guess its also a good time to mention we havent had a guy go to the NBA in forever. And even though it was a year, Whitehead doesnt look like hes on that path either.
I guess its also a good time to mention we havent had a guy go to the NBA in forever. And even though it was a year, Whitehead doesnt look like hes on that path either.
I was pretty close to Aaron. He told me directly that no one helped him re basketball more than did Amaechi.
He said they had wars together on the court and he felt if he could perform against him he could match up against most anyone here in the states.
To me, the improvement in Gibbs' statistics provide more hope for the possibility of a similar rise by Jevon Thomas than they illustrate the staff's ability to enhance Gibbs' game. They show that it is possible for a heralded high school player to underperform at one program before blossoming under a change of scenery.
What Gibbs showed this year was what I (and many) expected him to do in a major conference. He didn't play much at Texas (although his PPG is pretty good for his MPG, actually). Jevon Thomas seemed to project as a better college player than he's been so far, so I would not necessarily rule out his growth.
But It seems to me that if Gibbs himself thought that he derived any benefit at all from playing under the tutelage of this staff, he would've remained for his grad year rather than flee like he did.
Try as we might, it's awfully tough to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
Isn't that annoying? When certain posters always seem to show up and post the same thing over and over again. It's almost predictable. It's like they don't want to see the true facts. They will not bask in the glow of our Top 3 finish in the Big East and they will not be allowed to dance when the team is in March. Amen.
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