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Banged-up St. John’s falls short versus No. 15 Villanova

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By Zach Braziller

Julian Champagnie crashes to the floor after going up for a shot as Eric Dixon defends during St. John's 75-69 loss to Villanova.
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The Garden crowd had come alive, sensing one of those special moments that have been known to happen at the legendary arena, trying to will St. John’s all the way back.

A 20-point deficit was down to three. Posh Alexander was on the sideline in a walking boot. Julian Champagne had been shut down for the game.

The two stars couldn’t help, and for a few moments, it didn’t seem to matter. Villanova had coughed the ball up again, and the Red Storm’s Tareq Coburn was all alone on the left wing. A shot out of Coburn’s hand looked promising. The crowd roared in anticipation.

“I felt like the ball was moving in slow motion,” said St. John’s wing Aaron Wheeler, the best player on the floor Tuesday night. “It looked good from my angle.”

Then, groans. It didn’t fall. Villanova retrieved the carom and iced the game with two Jermaine Samuels free throws with 11.9 seconds left, delivering a 75-69 defeat to the Red Storm. The frantic comeback had fallen short. Four intense minutes couldn’t overcome the inconsistency that had preceded them.

For the better part of 36 minutes, No. 15 Villanova (18-6, 11-3 Big East) had been in control. The Wildcats led by 20 with 4:27 to go. Without Alexander (sprained ankle), and with Champagnie extremely limited by a right hip injury he sustained in the first half, St. John’s didn’t have many answers. Only Wheeler, torching Villanova for a career-high 31 points, including six 3-pointers, was a consistent scoring threat for St. John’s (13-10, 5-7).

The Wildcats’ injured stars, Collin Gillespie and Justin Moore, were able to start on bad ankles, and though neither was at their best (Gillespie went scoreless for the first since his freshman year in 2018), they still made a difference. Gillespie had 10 rebounds, Moore scored 16 points.

Then, with a little more than four minutes remaining, a switch flipped. Led by Wheeler and Stef Smith (12 points), St. John’s ran off a 23-6 run in a little over three minutes. The Red Storm forced eight turnovers in that span, suddenly playing with the energy and fire that was needed.

And when Wheeler connected from deep for his sixth 3-pointer of the game, it was suddenly a three-point deficit. On the other end, Caleb Daniels lost the ball, giving St. John’s the chance to tie.

“It’s just amazing to me what happens at the end of the games,” Villanova coach Jay Wright said. “You can play that well and the game can go a certain way for that long, then all of a sudden everything changes.”

Well, not everything.

St. John’s still came up short, and fell to 1-8 in Quad 1 games. Five of those losses have been decided by eight points or less. There has been one common denominator: regret over inconsistency, the inability to play well for longer stretches. Such was the tenor of coach Mike Anderson’s postgame press conference.

“I think the energy has got to be there from the start,” he said. “These guys have to play with the same mindset early on. … That’s the fire I’m looking for that you’ve got to have for 40 minutes.”

Only on a few occasions this season has St. John’s had it. Complete games have been few and far between. Instead, games like this have been the norm, frustrating losses full of what-ifs followed by promises that a breakthrough is coming.

“The sense of urgency, you can see it,” Anderson said, referring to the late comeback attempt. “This team is going to be playing some of its best basketball right now.”

It did for the final four minutes Tuesday night. But as has been the case far too often this year, it wasn’t enough.
 
Damn, I fell asleep. Gutsy effort by SJU.

Anderson says above the key to our season too:

“I think the energy has got to be there from the start,” he said. “These guys have to play with the same mindset early on. … That’s the fire I’m looking for that you’ve got to have for 40 minutes.”

We can overcome a lot of things, but not missing the effort. Let's hope that Mq game at home is a lesson never forgotten. Pretty basic, but the bane of coaches in all sports forever.
 
I've never seen a Nova collapse like that. They had I believe a 17-point lead with about 4 minutes left. Jay called a TO and was semi calling off the dogs. Villanova proceeded to turn the ball over and SJU was taking advantage at every turn. SJU scored like 23 points in the last few minutes. They had a great chance to tie and missed a three ball.

Villanova can create a scoring opportunity whenever they need it. Perhaps Kevin can use some of the SJU late game tactics in the upcoming game on Saturday?
 
Gillespie wasn't on the floor when that run started and 'Nova got sloppy. They made a number of bad passes right into the teeth of the SJU pressure and let SJU build late momentum.

SJU also got hot shooting at the right time so they were able to take advantage of those turnovers. Even with that hot stretch they shot 24-75 (32%) for the night (another 50-miss night). Champagnie was 4-15 and Montez Mathis 1-14.

If it wasn't for Aaron Wheeler having a career night, (31 points on 11-17/6-10/3-3 plus seven rebounds) SJU is nowhere close in this game. Other than Wheeler they were 13-58 (22%) and 3-23 (13%) on threes.
 
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Gillespie wasn't on the floor when that run started and 'Nova got sloppy. They made a number of bad passes right into the teeth of the SJU pressure and let SJU build late momentum.

SJU also got hot shooting at the right time so they were able to take advantage of those turnovers. Even with that hot stretch they shot 24-75 (32%) for the night (another 50-miss night). Champagnie was 4-15 and Montez Mathis 1-14.

If it wasn't for Aaron Wheeler having a career night, (31 points on 11-17/6-10/3-3 plus seven rebounds) SJU is nowhere close in this game. Other than Wheeler they were 13-58 (22%) and 3-23 (13%) on threes.
They look like a different team without Alexander playing, as you would expect. As I think Wright said before the game: "he is a one man press"
 
Probably a hot take, but I feel like Posh gets way more credit for his defense than he deserves.
 
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Probably a hot take, but I feel like Posh gets way more credit for his defense than he deserves.
I don't think it is a hot take. Happens all the time in sports, even with very good players, which he is. Guys go from underrated to overrated, especially because people have different standards. I think he's an impactful presence on that end, like a John Linehan Part 2. I don't think he's the best defender who has ever laced up sneakers. He was the only Big East player in the Naismith final 15 for national DPOY, and SJU isn't a school that is going to get the "bias votes" like some of the blue bloods get.

I also think as much as some overstate his defense, people underrate what he does offensively. He still isn't a good 3-point shooter by any means, but otherwise he can do many really good things on that end of the court.
 
I don't think he is overrated.

With a short bench, a limited Archidiacono, and overrated freshmen, Nova sorely... sorely misses Crosby-Roundtree and Swider.
 
He was the only Big East player in the Naismith final 15 for national DPOY, and SJU isn't a school that is going to get the "bias votes" like some of the blue bloods get.
Yes, that's what I'm referring to. He has a reputation as a great defender, which is what gets him on these lists, but I really don't think it's justified. I’m not sure he’s a top 5 defender in the big East, let alone in consideration for national DPOY.
 
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I’ve watched a few St John’s games this year. Every time I’ve watched them play it seems like they are getting outplayed but yet the stick around and keep it to a 6-8 pt deficit and then they go on a run. When they went down about 15-17, I almost turned it off and I’m glad I’m didn’t as it was an exciting ending. Champagnie seems like he’s been off the last few games starting with the SH game at MSG. He had 27 bs Gtown but if you look at his shooting percentage the last 8 games it hasn’t been good. He took a major fall last night that was tough to watch. I don’t know how he didn’t get seriously injured as he landed on his shoulder and lower body. It was very scary. He stayed in the game but he was really just trying to tough it out. I was extremely impressed with his toughness and competitive fire.
 
Probably a hot take, but I feel like Posh gets way more credit for his defense than he deserves.
Posh is very disruptive, great in a press, but imo, an average at best man defender. But he is a darned good player.
 
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Yes, that's what I'm referring to. He has a reputation as a great defender, which is what gets him on these lists, but I really don't think it's justified. I’m not sure he’s a top 5 defender in the big East, let alone in consideration for national DPOY.
I think he's a top 5 defender in the league because what he can do is so unique. But defense is so subjective in evaluation. You will see games where he gets beat by his defender -- as every defender does -- but then you wonder if part of the strategy is for him to pressure the ball so much that they will live with him getting beat because there is supposed to be help behind him.

I would love to see what a defense would look like, for example, with him and Cale at exerting ball pressure on the top and if they got beat having someone like Ike behind.
 
Gillespie probably should not have played last night and Moore hasnt played in a week. St. Johns wasnt the only team that was banged up.last night.
 
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Gillespie probably should not have played last night and Moore hasnt played in a week. St. Johns wasnt the only team that was banged up.last night.
No, they were not. You have gutty kids too -- we all know this. Gillespie is as tough a player as there is in the league. I think the point folks were making is that you still had them, and they played well, albeit in different ways. Just like Champagne was able to come back into the game.
 
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i shut the game off. I checked the score this morning, and said at least St JOhn's made it respectable. I had no idea they had a chance to tie it. It seems like in the last 4 minutes, they played like the did the first 8 against us in Walsh.
 
i shut the game off. I checked the score this morning, and said at least St JOhn's made it respectable. I had no idea they had a chance to tie it. It seems like in the last 4 minutes, they played like the did the first 8 against us in Walsh.
IMO, SJU was NOT great at Walsh. We were putrid.
 
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first time I seen anyone BANGED up but us, Providence I want you at home with not 7 players but our full roster
 
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I don't think it is a hot take. Happens all the time in sports, even with very good players, which he is. Guys go from underrated to overrated, especially because people have different standards. I think he's an impactful presence on that end, like a John Linehan Part 2. I don't think he's the best defender who has ever laced up sneakers. He was the only Big East player in the Naismith final 15 for national DPOY, and SJU isn't a school that is going to get the "bias votes" like some of the blue bloods get.

I also think as much as some overstate his defense, people underrate what he does offensively. He still isn't a good 3-point shooter by any means, but otherwise he can do many really good things on that end of the court.
I don't think Posh is always a great positional defender but I think he takes more chances than most knowing if he misses, he's quick enough to get back into the play. One thing he is very good at is coming up from behind an offensive player who think he has beaten Posh.

He's a terrible three-point shooter (21.2%) and because of that his 52 attempts are too many. On the other hand, he is shooting over 50% overall from the floor thanks to 58.3% two-point shooting.
 
I think many [here] undervalue Posh. He has his weaknesses, esp. on offense, but as a point guard, I'd take him in a N.Y. minute. Maybe he could even set Ike up for 6-8 ppg.
 
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Posh definitely helps impact the game but he'll never win POY unless he improves his 3pt shot dramatically. It's all about PPG.
 
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