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Can someone convince me this man isn't actively trying to destroy the US?

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Seems like every week the news about what Biden is doing to this country gets worse.

Sending Billions to Ukraine to fight a proxy was against Russia and China that will Bankrupt us.
Giving Iran billions for some hostages
Suing SpaceX for hiring Americans
Weaponizing the Swift banking system which in turn will encourage nations to avoid it
Endless illegal immigration
Praising criminals
The list goes on and on...
 
Seems like every week the news about what Biden is doing to this country gets worse.

Sending Billions to Ukraine to fight a proxy was against Russia and China that will Bankrupt us.
Giving Iran billions for some hostages
Suing SpaceX for hiring Americans
Weaponizing the Swift banking system which in turn will encourage nations to avoid it
Endless illegal immigration
Praising criminals
The list goes on and on...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/cnn-poll-joe-biden-headwinds/index.html

And most of America agrees with you....
 
Sending Billions to Ukraine to fight a proxy was against Russia and China that will Bankrupt us.

First, stop with the "bankrupt us" nonsense. Sending money and weapons to Ukraine is not going to bankrupt us.

So the question is really should we be supporting Ukraine or not. On one hand, there is the isolationist argument that who cares about what happens in other countries when it doesn't directly impact the US but on the other hand I don't think we can sit back and watch Russia expand farther until we are left without a choice but to get involved. The way we have handled it so far is fairly ideal. No US troops at risk and we send a message to Russia (and China) that we are committed to aiding in defense against their aggression.

Giving Iran billions for some hostages

We're not "giving" it to them as it isn't our money. It was their money which we are unfreezing.
Getting the hostages home is good but if you just give them money for hostages then that is a bad deal. Lots of articles about a nuclear slowdown from Iran as well recently though so you can't just look at everything in a vacuum when it comes to international diplomacy.

Suing SpaceX for hiring Americans

That's not why they are being sued.
They were violating discrimination laws. You may not like the law, and they may not like the law.. but the law is the law.

Weaponizing the Swift banking system which in turn will encourage nations to avoid it

Not sure what you're referring to there. Sanctions / freezing assets?

Endless illegal immigration

That's not on Joe. That's on all of them. No one has offered anything that would fix the issue.
Too politically damaging on both sides to actually address it.
 
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All i kniw is if biden loses it is cause some cheated
 
It’s possible if you stop reading, listening and watching so much biased entertainment propaganda disguised as news…your tune may change slightly on how dire shape our country is in and also the president’s job performance. Probably better for your mental health as well. Win/Win.
 
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It’s possible if you stop reading, listening and watching so much biased entertainment propaganda disguised as news…your tune may change slightly on how dire shape our country is in and also the president’s job performance. Probably better for your mental health as well. Win/Win.
Comedian Lewis black did a skit on this. He basically said “I can see news. I don’t need to watch six people sitting around the table, telling me what I see.”

I can see Trump and Biden are unfit to be president.
 
If Niki Haley is nominated Biden may bow out because he thinks she will beat him.Also throws out the anti Trump campaign Biden ran last time.
 
The country desperately needs a race between competent people who are fit to serve. On the Republican side, Haley, Pence, and Christie check those boxes from where I sit. DeSantis does not, as he is too much of an authoritarian culture warrior for my taste. He should take the next four years to gain experience, seasoning, and perhaps re-evaluate some of his positions before trying again in 2028.

On the Democratic side, the bench isn't very deep. Biden does not check the boxes for me as he is not fit to serve at his age. Someone like Roy Cooper or Jared Polis would be good candidates if Biden pulls out of the race.
 
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I would like to see an end to the brinkmanship strategy that is played out every year with the budget. Both sides do it and it ends up that we always having to pass some large spending bill against the threat of shutting the government down.

The three largest contributors to the deficit are Medicare, Social Security, and Defense. Medicare and Social Security are on autopilot and unless they pass legislation to change that, this will never end.

I recently went on medicare. I just got my notice for 2024 costs and benefits. My costs went down and my benefits increased. While that is good news for me personally, I don't see how it is sustainable for the nation.
 
I'm on a cruise ship out of Barcelona. Just left Morocco on Thursday and will arrive in NYC on September 17. Getting a bit tired of a Frenchman and two Brits asking me how the USA could have elected Biden. Pierre realizes if we fail, France will sink with us. Nigel and Percy just shake their heads in disbelief. This is what happens when hatred of Trump is greater than love of country, I tell them
 
The French & Brits should understand that weak and feeble keeps the money flowing. Sounds like you got out of Morocco just in time, timing is everything in life, glad you are safe.
 
I'm on a cruise ship out of Barcelona. Just left Morocco on Thursday and will arrive in NYC on September 17. Getting a bit tired of a Frenchman and two Brits asking me how the USA could have elected Biden. Pierre realizes if we fail, France will sink with us. Nigel and Percy just shake their heads in disbelief. This is what happens when hatred of Trump is greater than love of country, I tell them


 
Why wouldn’t they be happy? We are essentially funding the entire war in Ukraine.
 

And even then, there are other countries supporting them especially when you factor in support as a percentage of GDP for each county, Germany for example is well ahead of us in there. We’re not alone in supporting them.

We’ve provided a lot, about half of their military aid, but not “essentially funding all of it.”

 
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First, stop with the "bankrupt us" nonsense. Sending money and weapons to Ukraine is not going to bankrupt us.

So the question is really should we be supporting Ukraine or not. On one hand, there is the isolationist argument that who cares about what happens in other countries when it doesn't directly impact the US but on the other hand I don't think we can sit back and watch Russia expand farther until we are left without a choice but to get involved. The way we have handled it so far is fairly ideal. No US troops at risk and we send a message to Russia (and China) that we are committed to aiding in defense against their aggression.



We're not "giving" it to them as it isn't our money. It was their money which we are unfreezing.
Getting the hostages home is good but if you just give them money for hostages then that is a bad deal. Lots of articles about a nuclear slowdown from Iran as well recently though so you can't just look at everything in a vacuum when it comes to international diplomacy.



That's not why they are being sued.
They were violating discrimination laws. You may not like the law, and they may not like the law.. but the law is the law.



Not sure what you're referring to there. Sanctions / freezing assets?



That's not on Joe. That's on all of them. No one has offered anything that would fix the issue.
Too politically damaging on both sides to actually address it.

If we continue to send Billions of aid every month to Ukraine with little accountability and no end in sight, we will go bankrupt. There is no way we can afford to outspend China and Russia. The military has already stated our military stockpiles are dangerously low. Biden has depleted our strategic oil reserves in a bid to lower gas prices and now has announced that they have stopped trying to refill them at this point because its too expensive.

Essentially, we are in the beginning stage of WWIII in this proxy war. Now both Iran and N Korea also supplying weapons to Russia. So it makes no sense to me that we are preparing to handover more money to Iran which will then use the money to build more weapons for Russia.

The migrant invasion is on Joe. His administration has blocked every attempt by the border states to stop the flow. He has used Executive Privilege to get lots of things done but mysteriously is not using it here.

As for spacex, the DOJ seems to be singling them out:

Critics have been quick to point out that the DOJ’s own hiring guidelines also prioritize the employment of U.S. citizens. The department’s careers page explicitly states that being a U.S. citizen is a requirement for many of its positions.

According to Alex Tabarrok, a professor at George Mason University, it’s common for industries that work closely with the military or deal with dual-use technologies to restrict jobs to U.S. citizens. This includes companies like SpaceX. While jobs that require security clearances are typically only available to U.S. citizens, many roles that don’t necessitate such clearances also specify U.S. citizenship as a requirement.

“Here, for example, is an ad for an engineer at Northrup Grumman in aerospace structures that does not require security clearance but advertises US Citizen only. The U.S. military, of course, mandates citizenship or a green card for enlistment, a policy that is shared by another federal employer—can you guess? Surprise. The Department of Justice
 
And even then, there are other countries supporting them especially when you factor in support as a percentage of GDP for each county, Germany for example is well ahead of us in there. We’re not alone in supporting them.

We’ve provided a lot, about half of their military aid, but not “essentially funding all of it.”

We are funding Ukraine disproportionately; European countries recognize that. You cherry picked one country…Germany, who is at the front.
 
We are funding Ukraine disproportionately; European countries recognize that. You cherry picked one country…Germany, who is at the front.

Denmark, Poland, Norway and others would also be ahead of the US when comparing military aid provided as a percentage of GDP.

Most foreign countries just had a very unfavorable view of Trump. Biden brought us back to where they viewed us beforehand for the most part, and yes, I’d say most support our stance on Ukraine as well.
 
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we continue to send Billions of aid every month to Ukraine with little accountability and no end in sight, we will go bankrupt. There is no way we can afford to outspend China and Russia. The military has already stated our military stockpiles are dangerously low. Biden has depleted our strategic oil reserves in a bid to lower gas prices and now has announced that they have stopped trying to refill them at this point because its too expensive.

We’ve sent less than 1% of our budget to Ukraine since the war started. I’m not suggesting it should go on forever, but the cost will not come close to bankrupting us.

We will obviously need to restock our weapons. Buy some stock in weapons manufacturers. Big contracts coming up.

The strategic oil reserves have no impact on you whatsoever. We cancelled a purchase because the price went up. You’re complaining Biden tried to save money by waiting. If we really needed to fill it back up right now, we would.
 
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We’ve sent less than 1% of our budget to Ukraine since the war started. I’m not suggesting it should go on forever, but the cost will not come close to bankrupting us.

We will obviously need to restock our weapons. Buy some stock in weapons manufacturers. Big contracts coming up.

The strategic oil reserves have no impact on you whatsoever. We cancelled a purchase because the price went up. You’re complaining Biden tried to save money by waiting. If we really needed to fill it back up right now, we would.
Biden misused the reserves to lower gas prices. He wouldn't have done it if there was no impact on us.

The NY mayor announced cuts to police and firefighters OT to compensate for unplanned spending on migrants. I haven't heard Biden announce any cuts to compensate for war spending.
 
Biden misused the reserves to lower gas prices. He wouldn't have done it if there was no impact on us.

He released reserves to reduce prices as many presidents have done in the past.
If the reserves are now sitting at 350 million barrels vs 600 million barrels today would not impact you at all.

Biden paused purchases because the price went up. You're just complaining that he isn't spending more money?

The NY mayor announced cuts to police and firefighters OT to compensate for unplanned spending on migrants. I haven't heard Biden announce any cuts to compensate for war spending.

We don't need to cut anything. The federal budget would not have the same type of budgetary issues and restrictions.
 
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Giving Iran billions for some hostages
In all fairness... US is releasing Iranian funds that have been frozen back to Iran.. no American $'s being sent. The question I have is how we are going to ensure that the money being released will be used only for humanitarian purposes. WH claims that checks will be in place, but just not sure how that can be monitored effectively. Technically, we are not paying a ransom..... but this is close to it .
 
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To the original title...I think the bigger issue is Biden's health. If this past weekend didn't provide cause for concern, I think you have to be living under a rock. Between his presser in Vietnam and then claiming he was at the WTC the day after 9/11.....even CNN is calling it out.
 
He released reserves to reduce prices as many presidents have done in the past.
If the reserves are now sitting at 350 million barrels vs 600 million barrels today would not impact you at all.

Biden paused purchases because the price went up. You're just complaining that he isn't spending more money?



We don't need to cut anything. The federal budget would not have the same type of budgetary issues and restrictions.
That's funny because when Trump was trying to build the border wall, I was informed repeatedly by the media and congress that there was no money available for that. Now we suddenly have 100 billion to giveaway with more to come? Interesting.....
 
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