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its officially snowballed with attendance. who in their right mind would pay money for this right now? on a sunday afternoon?
 
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The only way somebody is attending this and is in their rights minds is if they literally have nothing to do and live within 20-30 minutes.
 
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The only way somebody is attending this and is in their rights minds is if they literally have nothing to do and live within 20-30 minutes.

I'm so glad I'm going to see Wicked in a few minutes! Reclining chairs, heated seats, blanket, snacks!
 
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its officially snowballed with attendance. who in their right mind would pay money for this right now? on a sunday afternoon?

I gave it up entering last year, though it turned out to be a decent year in the end. But I saw the writing on the wall in year 1. Holloway's slow pace, lack of offensive schemes, and streetball/playground style of play/recruitment turned me off. He zapped all the energy I once had in the span of a year. I was going to the games for 23 years, rarely missing one.
 
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I gave it up entering last year, though it turned out to be a decent year in the end. But I saw the writing on the wall in year 1. Holloway's slow pace, lack of offensive schemes, and streetball/playground style of play/recruitment turned me off. He zapped all the energy I once had in the span of a year. I was going to the games for 23 years, rarely missing one.
this play is a carbon copy of willard tho. hard defense and roll the ball out offense. you still went to those ...

for me its not the coach. its the state of ncaa.
 
its really just a case of these guys realllllly cant shoot. go back and look at the shoot around clip i resurfaced.

the PG thing is also killer. we've been in that spot a bunch of times though. this level of bad shooting is crazy.
 
Unfortunately, the team is one of the worst in college basketball. The statistics ranking the offense and defense of over 360 men’s teams in Division 1 bears this out. It is a direct reflection of the coach who choose these players and his coaching and leadership skills including effective communication which results in what we are seeing. Cannot sugarcoat it and blame it on NIL. Look at the names of the colleges ranked ahead of us in the statistical rankings and you will note that many of them have less NIL than we do including Hofstra, Monmouth, snd Fordham and they pay far less than Seton Hall for their staffs.
 
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Unfortunately, the team is one of the worst in college basketball. The statistics ranking the offense and defense of over 360 men’s teams in Division 1 bears this out. It is a direct reflection of the coach who choose these players and his coaching and leadership skills including effective communication which results in what we are seeing. Cannot sugarcoat it and blame it on NIL. Look at the names of the colleges ranked ahead of us in the statistical rankings and you will note that many of them have less NIL than we do including Hofstra, Monmouth, snd Fordham and they pay far less than Seton Hall for their staffs.
christ how many times do people need to understand the roster strategy sha took because of NIL.
 
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this play is a carbon copy of willard tho. hard defense and roll the ball out offense. you still went to those ...

for me its not the coach. its the state of ncaa.

No, Willard ran some stuff at times. Also was able to recruit better talent with limited resources. Holloway runs a playground style at a brutally slow pace. It's like watching a pickup game at a local gym. No structure and players who think they're better than they are.
 
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The only thing worth watching is the freshmen and sophomores. Just play them. They’re the most talented.

Coleman, Middleton, Erheriene, Yalden gives some thing. Dual is even betting better.

Felton. I liked what I saw of him in Charleston although I didn't watch the vandy game.
 
christ how many times do people need to understand the roster strategy sha took because of NIL.

Well whatever strategy he took, it is literally one of the worst in all of Division 1 basketball.

You don't need to understand the strategy to understand it is terrible. And its his strategy and it has proven to be terrible. This is the worst team in forever for this program.
 
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Christ how hard is it to understand he failed. Not once, not twice, but on every single player. So at tht point it’s not NIL, it’s him
Holloway clearly has to take accountability for the players that he chose.

But for everyone who is just relentlessly burying him, can someone share an example of a player he chose not to take in favor the roster we have. Can some please show me where we decided to not match the offer for Richmond? Could we even been able to afford Kadary and Davis plus 13 walkons?

What lights out 3 point shooter did he pass on for Dual?

What PF was a better fit than Toumi and Aligbe?

What polished center spurned the Hall for similar money someplace else?

The NIL point being made, is Sha took what his funds allowed him to acquire. And he took a gamble to push for higher upside to compete with the better teams in the BE.

I said it last year. You can’t expect to keep hitting these miraculous home runs with low budget centers like Jaden Bediako.

Ask yourself this, if Bediako gave them similar production to what they are getting out of Okorofor, how bad would last year have been?
 
its really just a case of these guys realllllly cant shoot. go back and look at the shoot around clip i resurfaced.

the PG thing is also killer. we've been in that spot a bunch of times though. this level of bad shooting is crazy.
I'm sorry but when I was in 6th grade I was a good shooter, how are D1 kids bad
 
Holloway clearly has to take accountability for the players that he chose.

But for everyone who is just relentlessly burying him, can someone share an example of a player he chose not to take in favor the roster we have. Can some please show me where we decided to not match the offer for Richmond? Could we even been able to afford Kadary and Davis plus 13 walkons?

What lights out 3 point shooter did he pass on for Dual?

What PF was a better fit than Toumi and Aligbe?

What polished center spurned the Hall for similar money someplace else?

The NIL point being made, is Sha took what his funds allowed him to acquire. And he took a gamble to push for higher upside to compete with the better teams in the BE.

I said it last year. You can’t expect to keep hitting these miraculous home runs with low budget centers like Jaden Bediako.

Ask yourself this, if Bediako gave them similar production to what they are getting out of Okorofor, how bad would last year have been?
We understand your points, but there is no way to really prove who could have been better players? We don't know who he passed on and more important do we really know where they searched for players. You are correct that SHU was outbid on several players. There is no doubt about it. However, I go back to if KC can't shoot and Femi can't shoot, you can't combine them. You have to pass on one. If Aligbe struggles from the perimeter and Toumi struggles too, then you have to pass on one. They did make the right choice with Bediako. Excellent value transfer in.
 
Holloway clearly has to take accountability for the players that he chose.

But for everyone who is just relentlessly burying him, can someone share an example of a player he chose not to take in favor the roster we have. Can some please show me where we decided to not match the offer for Richmond? Could we even been able to afford Kadary and Davis plus 13 walkons?

What lights out 3 point shooter did he pass on for Dual?

What PF was a better fit than Toumi and Aligbe?

What polished center spurned the Hall for similar money someplace else?

The NIL point being made, is Sha took what his funds allowed him to acquire. And he took a gamble to push for higher upside to compete with the better teams in the BE.

I said it last year. You can’t expect to keep hitting these miraculous home runs with low budget centers like Jaden Bediako.

Ask yourself this, if Bediako gave them similar production to what they are getting out of Okorofor, how bad would last year have been?
#1 why are your posts always so long

#2 isn’t that the whole point of him getting 2.5+ mil to coach d-1 to figure that out? How would I/we know? Figure it out…
 
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Holloway clearly has to take accountability for the players that he chose.

But for everyone who is just relentlessly burying him, can someone share an example of a player he chose not to take in favor the roster we have. Can some please show me where we decided to not match the offer for Richmond? Could we even been able to afford Kadary and Davis plus 13 walkons?

What lights out 3 point shooter did he pass on for Dual?

What PF was a better fit than Toumi and Aligbe?

What polished center spurned the Hall for similar money someplace else?

The NIL point being made, is Sha took what his funds allowed him to acquire. And he took a gamble to push for higher upside to compete with the better teams in the BE.

I said it last year. You can’t expect to keep hitting these miraculous home runs with low budget centers like Jaden Bediako.

Ask yourself this, if Bediako gave them similar production to what they are getting out of Okorofor, how bad would last year have been?
so our future is either get lucky or be horrendous. Not very promising
 
@LeftCoastPirates @NYC Pirate That's the issue, we don't know. We pursed so many payers. I also don't know what we're playing this roster, and what the evaluations were of them. Our NIL to construct this year was much better than last year I'm told.

I also don't know if Shaheen passed up some negotiations with higher priced players to settle for lower-priced to build out a roster? He seemed to really want volume of players instead of selling out to negotiations. This roster has the feel of someone putting together volume on a budget instead of the type of roster we had last year.
 
Christ how hard is it to understand he failed. Not once, not twice, but on every single player. So at tht point it’s not NIL, it’s him

You just don't get it bro.

Sha doesn't have a 10 million dollar NIL like all of three other schools.
Holloway clearly has to take accountability for the players that he chose.

But for everyone who is just relentlessly burying him, can someone share an example of a player he chose not to take in favor the roster we have. Can some please show me where we decided to not match the offer for Richmond? Could we even been able to afford Kadary and Davis plus 13 walkons?

What lights out 3 point shooter did he pass on for Dual?

What PF was a better fit than Toumi and Aligbe?

What polished center spurned the Hall for similar money someplace else?

The NIL point being made, is Sha took what his funds allowed him to acquire. And he took a gamble to push for higher upside to compete with the better teams in the BE.

I said it last year. You can’t expect to keep hitting these miraculous home runs with low budget centers like Jaden Bediako.

Ask yourself this, if Bediako gave them similar production to what they are getting out of Okorofor, how bad would last year have been?
Not sure on the players, honestly- maybe the Trove has more information. Regardless, he brought in these players, and almost all of them are playing worse than they were before. Middleton had a glimpse today....but I think overall every single player on this team is playing worse than they did last year. That is all on coaching.

We just got spanked by an OSU team that probably had a 500,000 NIL last year, had three returning players from last year, a ton of new transfers, and a brand new coach. And we got murdered by them at home.

His gamble is cool if it works, and it hasnt. He tried something and it failed miserably.

We make way too many excuses for him on this board. He is paid 2.5 million, and the results are poor. Seton Hall is a good job, and he took over the program at the height of its success and fan interest. He has destroyed fan interest, and his demeanor on the sideline is embarassing at times- we talk **** about Hurley Sha is one notch below. And Hurley wins.

I would love to see him start to take accountability, say that he hasn't done a good enough job so far, and try to chnage things up. He needs to give up some control of the program and change his demeanor if he wants to be successful because it is pretty clear he is in way over his head.
 
Stunning loss. Not that they lost, but that they actually had an offense show up against a defenseless team. Of course, the defense took the day off to be “offensive”.
 
@LeftCoastPirates @NYC Pirate That's the issue, we don't know. We pursed so many payers. I also don't know what we're playing this roster, and what the evaluations were of them. Our NIL to construct this year was much better than last year I'm told.

I also don't know if Shaheen passed up some negotiations with higher priced players to settle for lower-priced to build out a roster? He seemed to really want volume of players instead of selling out to negotiations. This roster has the feel of someone putting together volume on a budget instead of the type of roster we had last year.
but clearly NIL forced him to employ some sort of strategy to build the team that he didn't have to do in the past. its clear the strategy was wrong , but the logic was there. hindsight 20/20 here and the real issue is if he employs the same strategy next year.

shu is NOT set to compete in the big east or major ncaa in this era. its big risk for big reward. the game has changed and it's crazy how many shu fans don't understand the gravity of the situation.

go move on from sha but they'll soon realize the reality for shu.
 
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You just don't get it bro.

Sha doesn't have a 10 million dollar NIL like all of three other schools.

Not sure on the players, honestly- maybe the Trove has more information. Regardless, he brought in these players, and almost all of them are playing worse than they were before. Middleton had a glimpse today....but I think overall every single player on this team is playing worse than they did last year. That is all on coaching.

We just got spanked by an OSU team that probably had a 500,000 NIL last year, had three returning players from last year, a ton of new transfers, and a brand new coach. And we got murdered by them at home.

His gamble is cool if it works, and it hasnt. He tried something and it failed miserably.

We make way too many excuses for him on this board. He is paid 2.5 million, and the results are poor. Seton Hall is a good job, and he took over the program at the height of its success and fan interest. He has destroyed fan interest, and his demeanor on the sideline is embarassing at times- we talk **** about Hurley Sha is one notch below. And Hurley wins.

I would love to see him start to take accountability, say that he hasn't done a good enough job so far, and try to chnage things up. He needs to give up some control of the program and change his demeanor if he wants to be successful because it is pretty clear he is in way over his head.
3 returning players is 3x more than seton hall... and their budget is surely higher...

you understand this right?

he had one bad year. one. actually one third of a bad year. are you going to keep posting this every game during the agreed upon bad year?maybe if his demeanor was to play golf and drink wine we should hold on to him a little longer? what is your actual problem with him as coach. not sure you've come out and said it...
 
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but clearly NIL forced him to employ some sort of strategy to build the team that he didn't have to do in the past. its clear the strategy was wrong , but the logic was there. hindsight 20/20 here and the real issue is if he employs the same strategy next year.

shu is NOT set to compete in the big east or major ncaa in this era. its big risk for big reward. the game has changed and it's crazy how many shu fans don't understand the gravity of the situation.

go move on from sha but they'll soon realize the reality for shu.
We were set to compete in the big east or major NCAA in the 20 years prior to this one? Cmon…look at this weeks top 25 NCAA men’s basketball rankings…what is really different now than 5 years ago, 10, 15, 20?

Sha had a good year last year..and the new TRANSFER rule is very hurtful and he deserves some huge slack with that..but he also has some pretty legit red flags going on too

Why reference golf and wine? How much run are you going to try and get with the anti KW stuff lol
 
We were set to compete in the big east or major NCAA in the 20 years prior to this one? Cmon…look at this weeks top 25 NCAA men’s basketball rankings…what is really different now than 5 years ago, 10, 15, 20?

Sha had a good year last year..and the new TRANSFER rule is very hurtful and he deserves some huge slack with that..but he also has some pretty legit red flags going on too

Why reference golf and wine? How much run are you going to try and get with the anti KW stuff lol
why did kadary and dre transfer??

i thought so.

and its not anti willard. all the people that gave him a lifetime contract leash are calling for shas head after a THIRD of one bad year in a much harder environment.

the ncaa is moving towards propping up the big power conference football schools. its about money and shu has none and doesn't generate any for anyone.
 
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why did kadary and dre transfer??

i thought so.

and its not anti willard. all the people that gave him a lifetime contract leash are calling for shas head after a THIRD of one bad year in a much harder environment.

the ncaa is moving towards propping up the big power conference football schools. its about money and shu has none and doesn't generate any for anyone.
Great example..you think if the old transfer rule was in play they would have sat out another year to transfer? And Kadary wouldn’t be at St. John’s..sooo

To say shas environment is harder today than BG and KW in the OLD new big east is absurd

Again what’s different today in college bball rankings than anything in the past 20 years?

Also, I asked this many many times..all the insiders here said we had Kyle Anderson signed sealed and delivered..so either they were wrong or lying or hmmmm what happened last minute????

How is that different?
 
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3 returning players is 3x more than seton hall... and their budget is surely higher...

you understand this right?

he had one bad year. one. actually one third of a bad year. are you going to keep posting this every game during the agreed upon bad year?maybe if his demeanor was to play golf and drink wine we should hold on to him a little longer? what is your actual problem with him as coach. not sure you've come out and said it...

I really dont understand your reply.

3 returning players for OK State is not 3 times more than Seton Hall. Wusu was on the team last year, as was Isaiah Coleman and David Tubek. So that is 3 returning players for Seton Hall- which is the same as Oklahoma State. Do you understand that?

Their budget is not higher. That's what I just said. Everything about NIL i've read on here and from other places says we are over 1 Million in NIL and possibly closer to 1.5 Million. I don't know where Oklahoma State is now, I do know that just a few months ago when they fired their coach he said they were at 500,000. Here is the link so you can read all about it:

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spo...mage-likeness-osu-cowboys-big-12/72606644007/

My issue with him is that, after watching for three years, it's pretty clear he just isn't that good of a coach- i don't know how else to say it- he is a better coach than I would be, but he is certainlty not the best we can do and for people to keep putting that out there makes our team seem like we are in poverty and no one would ever want to come coach here.

In three years we haven't made the tournament once and we are currently the laughing stock of college basketball, losing to the likes of Fordham, Monmouth, and Hofstra- and people, like yourself, continue to make excuses as for why its okay. It's only year three!

He gets treated with kid gloves as a coach because of his run at St. Peters and the fact that he played basketball here 20 years ago--- the university is paying him 2.5 million dollars, we arent getting a discount in anyway, shape or form from him so he should be treated like we would treat any other coach.

His behavior on the sidelines is poor, and he continually uses the media to call out his players which is sad and embarassing behavior from a grown man. He clearly can't coach offense and he is overly emotional. I know this specifically because he always addresses the stuff on message boards

You talking about how he has had 1/3 of a bad year is not true at all. The beginning of last year was alo terrible, and is the reason we missed out on the tournament. Year one was below average but i'll give him a pass on it. This is also not just "Bad." This is the worst team since 1982 apparently.

He has bascially made Seton Hall Basketball Irrelevant. And any dreams of NIL money increasing to stay competitive are going to go out the window because we just keep making excuses for him. Regardless of how bad NIL is, we should not be the worst team in college basketball and out of all the coaches from the main conferences, it seems pretty clear to me that he has done the absolute worst job out of any of them based on the teams performace.
 
I really dont understand your reply.

3 returning players for OK State is not 3 times more than Seton Hall. Wusu was on the team last year, as was Isaiah Coleman and David Tubek. So that is 3 returning players for Seton Hall- which is the same as Oklahoma State. Do you understand that?

Their budget is not higher. That's what I just said. Everything about NIL i've read on here and from other places says we are over 1 Million in NIL and possibly closer to 1.5 Million. I don't know where Oklahoma State is now, I do know that just a few months ago when they fired their coach he said they were at 500,000. Here is the link so you can read all about it:

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spo...mage-likeness-osu-cowboys-big-12/72606644007/

My issue with him is that, after watching for three years, it's pretty clear he just isn't that good of a coach- i don't know how else to say it- he is a better coach than I would be, but he is certainlty not the best we can do and for people to keep putting that out there makes our team seem like we are in poverty and no one would ever want to come coach here.

In three years we haven't made the tournament once and we are currently the laughing stock of college basketball, losing to the likes of Fordham, Monmouth, and Hofstra- and people, like yourself, continue to make excuses as for why its okay. It's only year three!

He gets treated with kid gloves as a coach because of his run at St. Peters and the fact that he played basketball here 20 years ago--- the university is paying him 2.5 million dollars, we arent getting a discount in anyway, shape or form from him so he should be treated like we would treat any other coach.

His behavior on the sidelines is poor, and he continually uses the media to call out his players which is sad and embarassing behavior from a grown man. He clearly can't coach offense and he is overly emotional. I know this specifically because he always addresses the stuff on message boards

You talking about how he has had 1/3 of a bad year is not true at all. The beginning of last year was alo terrible, and is the reason we missed out on the tournament. Year one was below average but i'll give him a pass on it. This is also not just "Bad." This is the worst team since 1982 apparently.

He has bascially made Seton Hall Basketball Irrelevant. And any dreams of NIL money increasing to stay competitive are going to go out the window because we just keep making excuses for him. Regardless of how bad NIL is, we should not be the worst team in college basketball and out of all the coaches from the main conferences, it seems pretty clear to me that he has done the absolute worst job out of any of them based on the teams performace.

Well said.
 
Well whatever strategy he took, it is literally one of the worst in all of Division 1 basketball.

You don't need to understand the strategy to understand it is terrible. And its his strategy and it has proven to be terrible. This is the worst team in forever for this program.
People love NIL Excuse, you can have a free roster and you should be able to beat an 0-8 Monmouth, what is your next excuse?
 
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