clean up st johns

[hall_fan]

Will be interesting in Mullin decides to run the program like lavin or to clean it up from the sleazy operation it is now.

I have heard from a St. John's student just this year that none of the players ever went to class and that he witnessed his friends smoking weed with members of the St John's basketball team

I believe that there is a new sheriff in town and Mullin is going to change the culture back......im scared

 

[SHUMA04]

I like Lavin a lot personally, but...I guess you can take the kid out of UCLA, but you can't take the UCLA out of the kid.

 

[jcalz88]

Originally posted by hall_fan:

Will be interesting in Mullin decides to run the program like lavin or to clean it up from the sleazy operation it is now.

I have heard from a St. John's student just this year that none of the players ever went to class and that he witnessed his friends smoking weed with members of the St John's basketball team

I believe that there is a new sheriff in town and Mullin is going to change the culture back......im scared

not going to class and smoking weed??? this happens everywhere, hell SHU does not even have a drug policy...

This post was edited on 4/1 2:51 PM by jcalz88

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by jcalz88:

not going to class and smoking week??? this happens everywhere, hell SHU does not even have a drug policy...

Well, the NCAA does, and there is random testing.

 

[jcalz88]

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Originally posted by jcalz88:

not going to class and smoking week??? this happens everywhere, hell SHU does not even have a drug policy...

Well, the NCAA does, and there is random testing.

Its not random, and barely happens...

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by jcalz88:

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Originally posted by jcalz88:

not going to class and smoking week??? this happens everywhere, hell SHU does not even have a drug policy...

Well, the NCAA does, and there is random testing.

Its not random, and barely happens...

Uh, it is random, and it happens much more frequently than you know. I have spent many years witnessing it, first hand (not the urinating).

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Originally posted by hall_fan:


I have heard from a St. John's student just this year that none of the players ever went to class and that he witnessed his friends smoking weed with members of the St John's basketball team

what do you think goes on, and has gone on in the past at SHU? I lived on the 7th floor of Xavier with a good amount of the players in 2002. They were constantly smoking weed. I had a class with Sha. He was never there. We also have students "help" the athletes with their work, ie, write stuff for them. I can't speak on the current crop of kids we have 100% accurately, but don't be naive man.

Look at some of the Rhodes Scholars Gonzo brought in, including some of the stars. You think they were doing their papers and bringing the professors an apple? Some of those guys could barely string a sentence together, nevermind complete a true academic workload at SHU.

Guess what? We pay our players (or at the very least, they're getting paid on the side somehow) in one form or another as well. Just not as well as the Power 5 schools do. I have a story about one of our best current players that will have to wait until he leaves the school.

If Mullin wants the best kids to come to SJU, he better not clean up the program too much, honestly.

This post was edited on 4/1 3:40 PM by Bobbie Solo

 

[JIMSOULS]

Some excellent points, Bobbie. Then again, I've grown cynical regarding the college-sports machine. Beyond cynical.



All major college programs roll around in the dirt. I attended Seton Hall for one year, my freshman year, and remember some jocks being allowed to slide. This was 1976-77, before the Big East was in existence. On the first day of one class, the professor asked the student-athletes to raise their hands. Two or three people did. The professor jotted down their names, and told them that he supported their commitment to athletics, and understood that they might not be able to complete some assignments due to time constraints. In the end if didn't matter because it was any easy class and nearly everyone got an A (even me). But I was pretty surprised by the double standard. One can only imagine what goes on at major programs now, especially the big money football factories. I'm not saying that all my professors did that, by the way. But that one guy, I can still picture him in my mind.

Also, when I had my confirmation, my sponsor was a local high school student. He told me how his services were utilized at school to write papers and do homework for the star of the basketball team, so the player could stay eligible for basketball games, The player was considered a big deal, and wound up getting a Division I scholarship. He flunked out of his first college. Later on, while attending a junior college, the player supposedly wrote a paper that addressed the illegal inducements he received at the first school (apparently he'd learned how to spell "illegal" and "inducements" somewhere along the way),

It was dirty then, and with all the big money flying around these days, I think many of us would agree that it's even dirtier now. Good luck to Coach Mullin in his bid to clean things up at St. John's. If he does that, he probably won't win many games.

That said, I've loved watching the sport of college basketball for 45 or so years. But due to some of the other stuff, it gets harder and harder each year. After watching the last two national championship games, I turned to my wife and said, "That's it, honey. I'm not going to watch college basketball anymore." Both times, she replied, "Oh yes you will. You love it too much." But eventually I'm going to mean it, and when I told her the same thing recently, she said, "I don't blame you. It's boring. You'd be better off helping me clean this house." Perhaps some of you also have a similar love/hate relationship with college sports. The games are fun, but certain other things can make you sick to your stomach.

 

[Seton75]

Originally posted by jcalz88:

Originally posted by hall_fan:


Will be interesting in Mullin decides to run the program like lavin or to clean it up from the sleazy operation it is now.

I have heard from a St. John's student just this year that none of the players ever went to class and that he witnessed his friends smoking weed with members of the St John's basketball team

I believe that there is a new sheriff in town and Mullin is going to change the culture back......im scared

not going to class and smoking weed??? this happens everywhere, hell SHU does not even have a drug policy...


This post was edited on 4/1 2:51 PM by jcalz88

keeping it real

 

[batts]

Originally posted by Bobbie Solo:

Originally posted by hall_fan:


I have heard from a St. John's student just this year that none of the players ever went to class and that he witnessed his friends smoking weed with members of the St John's basketball team

what do you think goes on, and has gone on in the past at SHU? I lived on the 7th floor of Xavier with a good amount of the players in 2002. They were constantly smoking weed. I had a class with Sha. He was never there. We also have students "help" the athletes with their work, ie, write stuff for them. I can't speak on the current crop of kids we have 100% accurately, but don't be naive man.

Look at some of the Rhodes Scholars Gonzo brought in, including some of the stars. You think they were doing their papers and bringing the professors an apple? Some of those guys could barely string a sentence together, nevermind complete a true academic workload at SHU.

Guess what? We pay our players (or at the very least, they're getting paid on the side somehow) in one form or another as well. Just not as well as the Power 5 schools do. I have a story about one of our best current players that will have to wait until he leaves the school.

If Mullin wants the best kids to come to SJU, he better not clean up the program too much, honestly.

This post was edited on 4/1 3:40 PM by Bobbie Solo

I'm aghast. Do you mean that our players don't walk around campus clad in their raccoon skin coats, dancing the Charlston and saying catch phrases such as Razzamatazz?

 

[pirated]

Our athletes get random testing. Sometimes everyone on team, other times coach will pick a couple kids to pee in cup. Sometimes they'll pick the injured to take the test.

 

[Shuathelete]

Im with Jcalz, im sure we could share endless stories on this subject too. I am not on donnies side here. Ive seen first hand how our kids dont give 2 $h*t$ about it (offline subject lol) and know it was encouraged to "get it out of their systems now" by mr. clean himself.... we dont want to go down this road anymore... you guys would blow a gasket.

This post was edited on 4/1 9:09 PM by Shuathelete

 

[catholicman]

Chris Mullen battled addiction to alcohol (maybe drugs?) and knows what trouble substance abuse can be. What a great coach for St. John's. His words to the players against drug use will carry a lot of weight.

 

[hall_fan]

SHU Athlete...you act like you have all these connections yet you never reveal what they are. And yes every team has players doing this....just most like us are smart enough not to do it during the season.

St. John's, and I would assume it came straight from Steve Lavin thought they were above everyone and everything....including the rules

 

[Shuathelete]

i mean, during the season doesnt matter. just dont get caught. its not hard and its not that big of a deal. every team is doing it, like you said. i just think the line should be drawn when the coach says things about going full 4/20 mode in the offseason to try and get the itch out of their system. Thats a great way to seem in control. In fact, i dont even care i just dont want it to be thought that we have mr. clean running a wholesome program.


as far as drug tests go, i know for a fact its a joke when the school does them. anyone in college bball that is suspended for this i always assume gets caught by the ncaa themselves.

 

[hall_fan]

would love to know who you are referring to as saying go wild 420 and who "Mr clean" is. because now you are spreading untrue lies that would love to know how you come up with these claims.

If it is who I think it is then that's no where close to true and you are not connected

 

[Shuathelete]

The coach tries to get kids to kick the ganja urge during the season by telling them to blast it out during the offseason. Doesnt work anyway. Not a bad move actually, I just think more of a "come on guys pretty please" approach.

These arent untrue lies, although it wasnt from this year.

Its a general statement, not calling out any players. Just giving a look into how it works on our side. People make a big deal about this kind of stuff, and some people think we're goody two shoes... not the case. Its just the basketball culture.

 

[shupat08]

LOL.

This is all very funny.

I'm sure JCalz & Athlete are 100% correct.

But this is all so sad, it's funny.

I'm following BP's approach now.

 

[mbraue]

Nice when you can mix in some real students - Auda, Karlis, Sina (transfer) Mobley. I'm sure some of our newer players are decent students. In the past, Volcy was an engineering major (did some of his coursework,at NJIT, Karnishovas supposedly had nearly perfect math SATs, Adrian Griffin was Big East Scholar Athlete of the Year as was Ramos, I believe, who was an accounting major.

Looks like Soffer was offered by some Ivies - the team needs to keep the collective GPA up and most important play smarter basketball. Notre Dame is the most efficient team offensively in the country - a pleasure to watch the game as it was meant to be played. Too bad they lost to Kentucky - a few bad offensive sequences at the end of the game. Brey is a great coach. Learned under the legendary HS coach Morgan Wooten.

 

[hall_fan]

That's a good point. Also Singh is supposed to be a good student

People will be surprised to hear this but Nzei had the highest GPA on the team. This is sad because he was ineligible because of mistakes in coursework his high school made. I have spoken to the young man and he is very intelligent and also has goals outside of basketball.

Love the kids that we have on the team this year, Such a nice change from the Gonzo era of arrests every week

 

[mbraue]

Wow, that's great. Hear he's a super athlete and can contribute right away. Let's hope he's healthy and the coaches blend the right kids for the best starting lineup. No more three guards!in the starting lineup!

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by shupat08:
LOL.

This is all very funny.

I'm sure JCalz & Athlete are 100% correct.

That's your prerogative, but then you'll be wrong, too. What swimmy is implying, I'm sure, goes on at a lot of places, but the NCAA uses a 3rd party testing company, out of Kansas City, I believe, that does the random checks, at championships, and randomly throughout the year. It has been that way for several years now.

 

[Halldan1]

Originally posted by mbraue:
Wow, that's great. Hear he's a super athlete and can contribute right away. Let's hope he's healthy.........

That a major key. Mike Nzei had a very difficult wrist surgery and hopefully he returns fully healed.

Mike is very raw although his athleticism and motor are top notch. The time he missed last season is going to initially hold him back as he will have a lot of rust to his game.

Only saw him play once but in that game he was special. That said early in his SHU career we will have to be patient.

 

[Shuathelete]

donnie i really havent been wrong about pretty much anything on this board. been unfortunately right too often. not a smart man going against someone whose been there, done that, knows exactly how things operate.


im just asking how many of our players have failed a drug test in the recent years? zero? not exactly cut as fantastic as it sounds.


NCAA random drug tests are not frequent. But these you cant just throw the ball boy in and call him jordan theodore.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by Shuathelete:
donnie i really havent been wrong about pretty much anything on this board. been unfortunately right too often. not a smart man going against someone whose been there, done that, knows exactly how things operate.

Smart and modest. I have collected paychecks from more than one athletic department. I have mentioned exactly how the NCAA system works. Is it foolproof, or even effective? I never said that. You sound like a know-it-all South Jersey yahoo, a couple of years out of college, working for peanuts. One thing you don't know about the policy is the championship testing -- because you never competed for one.
This post was edited on 4/2 9:52 AM by donnie_baseball

 

[Shuathelete]

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Originally posted by Shuathelete:
donnie i really havent been wrong about pretty much anything on this board. been unfortunately right too often. not a smart man going against someone whose been there, done that, knows exactly how things operate.

Smart and modest. I have collected paychecks from more than one athletic department. I have mentioned exactly how the NCAA system works. Is it foolproof, or even effective? I never said that. You sound like a know-it-all South Jersey yahoo, a couple of years out of college, working for peanuts. One thing you don't know about the policy is the championship testing -- because you never competed for one.
This post was edited on 4/2 9:52 AM by donnie_baseball

Im sitting here still wondering why youre caught up on the NCAA... im talking about SHU measures. And in the realm of SHU basketball, have they competed for one?

BTW I upgraded to cashews...literally made that joke months ago get with the times. Now go ahead and condescend me for not sharing a portion of my cashews with a program that is lead by a diarrhea administration.... and qualify my opinion by the quantity of cashews i put forth. Youre just rambling on.

Theres one thing i know for sure and its SHU... which is what i was talking about. NCAA is definitely more legit like i said, but theyre not about to go out of their way to test anybody that could potentially cause them to lose out on money. $tudent ATH E LETES.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Cashews? You're making too much money.

I actually thought we might be talking about 2 different things, so I edited it to say NCAA. If you sense condescension, it could be due to your obvious overinflation of self-worth. Just trying to even things out a bit -- you'll thank me later.

This post was edited on 4/2 10:46 AM by donnie_baseball

 

[Shuathelete]

i spend a good amount of time posting on a message board for a team that is taking years off of my life and downright embarrassing at times... pretty sure i know where i stand in the universe.

i dont sense condescension here. Just more how youve positioned big donors as the only people who can have a valuable opinion on this board... obviously you have stopped since i think you realize SHU as an investment looks like a money pit and donating might just result in the money being thrown out or poorly used by the incompetent administration that receives it.

But dont let me get in the way of you making fun of alumni for being poor and then reprimanding them for not donating (even if they do)...because that makes sense on so many different levels.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Anyone can say anyone they want on this board. It just seems, sometimes, that those least invested are most demanding of what they expect from the program. In reality, if you donate a certain amount, you will, usually get to know the AD, and those who donate in the same ballpark. In jimmyd's case, maybe even the coach. That's just life, like it or not, but in today's world, it's a class war.

As far as my comments, I was in the "give it time" camp until the Sina incident this year. Certainly, he hasn't been a good coach, but in college, having good players can overcome a lot of shortcomings. That wasn't the case, at least this season, anyway. I'd be for giving him one more year in the absence of all the "programmatic details" that went bad this year -- there's really no need to list them. The losing, combined with that, really makes him only a tick better than Bobby Gonzalez.

In the end, you and I have come to the same conclusion. Because you came to it earlier doesn't count for bonus points, or make you prescient; it simply means you took the shortest route to get there. Some did, and some didn't. Having witnessed the PJ stuff from my seat at SH Prep back in the day, I would still err on the side of reason, patience, and using all data available to me, before proclaiming judgement.