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Clemson Baseball Coach Fired

Firing coaches with bad records is not what Seton Hall does. Down through the ages the record shows we accept mediocrity.
The ship is always about to come in but rarely does.

However, we are surging in women's sports and that's good news.
 
If SHU alums gave as much as other schools, I doubt we have this problem. And we fired Orr coming off his 2nd appearance in five years. How'd that work out for us. There are two sides.
 
If SHU alums gave as much as other schools, I doubt we have this problem. And we fired Orr coming off his 2nd appearance in five years. How'd that work out for us. There are two sides.
You cannot begin to compare Orr to a coach going to the NCAA 22 times in 23 seasons. Most schools would kill for that kind of success.

SHU has been to the NCAA four times in the last 30 years, yet many alumni talk about how peachy everything is.
 
You cannot begin to compare Orr to a coach going to the NCAA 22 times in 23 seasons. Most schools would kill for that kind of success.

SHU has been to the NCAA four times in the last 30 years, yet many alumni talk about how peachy everything is.
it is so hard to compete at a high level in baseball for any northeast school, the better kids want to go to warm environments where they can play and train year round
 
You cannot begin to compare Orr to a coach going to the NCAA 22 times in 23 seasons. Most schools would kill for that kind of success.

SHU has been to the NCAA four times in the last 30 years, yet many alumni talk about how peachy everything is.
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You cannot begin to compare Orr to a coach going to the NCAA 22 times in 23 seasons. Most schools would kill for that kind of success.

SHU has been to the NCAA four times in the last 30 years, yet many alumni talk about how peachy everything is.
Things are not peachy and the almost never are. 4 times in 40 years...in that context, 2 in 5 is pretty good. I BTW supported firing Orr. I thought we could do better. So far we haven't. And if we gave at a higher clip, maybe that would help too.
 
The brain trust here is too bent on teaching the university a lesson by withholding donations thinking that this will result in better hires, better facilities and better results in the win column that will fill the trophy cases with conference and national championship trophies. They then blame the lack of success on our location, the coach, the students athletes or whatever they believe takes the focus off the real problem...the lack of donations! Bottom line, you get what you pay for!
 
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The brain trust here is too bent on teaching the university a lesson by withholding donations thinking that this will result in better hires, better facilities and better results in the win column that will fill the trophy cases with conference and national championship trophies. They then blame the lack of success on our location, the coach, the students athletes or whatever they believe takes the focus off the real problem...the lack of donations!

The issue is not the lack of donations that has caused the abysmal results we've seen with the men's basketball program under the Willard tenure and to suggest that it is is to try to shift the focus to the lack of results in our fundraising efforts and people not donating. it wasn't the lack of donations that created a flawed process that lead to Willard's hiring. It's not the lack of donations and donors who have produced the on court results. It wasn't our donors that gave a coach an extension when he hadn't earned that extension and created a compensation package that has handcuffed our ability to make a change.
 
Maybe donations suck because the leadership is abysmal. Most people choose to give to schools or organizations that they believe in the cause and that those in charge are being good stewards of their contributions. For instance, look at the American Red Cross. Great cause but leadership has done an awful job of accounting for the inflow of money and is now also under fire for misrepresenting the work they did in Haiti.
 
Maybe donations suck because the leadership is abysmal. Most people choose to give to schools or organizations that they believe in the cause and that those in charge are being good stewards of their contributions. For instance, look at the American Red Cross. Great cause but leadership has done an awful job of accounting for the inflow of money and is now also under fire for misrepresenting the work they did in Haiti.
We have always been at the back of the pack in giving. I don't mean to say bad donation % is why we are here, but if we had the cash some other schools raise we could have bought out the contract. Our administration has been irresponsible - latest example is awarding the contract we are too poor to buy out - with the amazing bounty R Regan and others made possible for us by getting us into the BE. But our giving still lags.
 
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