Is it really a good idea to have Bill Clinton speaking at the Democratic convention given what we now know about his multiple appearances with Epstein on Little Saint James Island? Especially since Ghislaine Maxwell could go public with some names before November. Why put yourself in a position of risk if you don’t have to?
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Hmm, it is clear that Clinton was on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane multiple times. No real evidence thane was on the island except for one of Epstein’s accusers. Moreover, that accuser said Clinton was a perfect gentleman.
Clinton is one of the best speakers and politicians in the past 100 years. He speaks as long as he can.
You’re obviously more of a risk taker than me. Wouldn’t you be concerned that Virginia Roberts might expand on what a “perfect gentleman” he is? ($$)
Agree. Absurd they are including Clinton at all. Time to move on from him.
Move on from him why? The only President in the last say 75 years that actually had budget surpluses not once but 4 years? Trump praises how great the economy is but During the Clinton years it was even better. No Democrat has better knowledge of the economy and can distill it into easy to understand language than Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton could run again right now and win. And you think the Democratic Party should run away from him?
No. Put he and Hillary away till Thanksgiving. But after trump, do we really care whether we have childish pigs in elected positions?
If you accepted it before, why criticize it now? Character matters and it should apply to all. We reap what we sow.
Not run away from, but just not embrace as a leader of the party. Also he does carry a decent amount of risk related to the Epstein stuff.
Bluntly, I think Epstein was in the business of creating compromising situations for powerful people and underage girls so he could exploit them later. To think Bill is clean here, you have to think he is the kind of guy that would hesitate and wonder if the girls were of age when Epstein offered them. I don’t trust him enough to think he would hesitate.
There are absolutely no allegations that he ever did anything except be on Epstein’s plane. Zero allegations that he was with any women with Epstein never mind an underage girl.
That’s the problem with the Democrats,they abandon their own for no reason. Ie Al Franken. We are adults and what adults do with their personal lives do not mean a thing and that goes for Trump as well. Who cares if he had sex with prom stars and paid her off to stay quiet.
Perhaps, you want to source where Clinton went to Epstein’s island multiple times. No evidence or even an allegation exists. Clinton was on his plane that went to other destinations. The only allegation I heard was from the Netflix special and that girl who was supposed to be with Prince Albert, that he she never saw anything improper with Clinton. Clinton has denied ever being there.
Claimed he saw him one time and he did nothing inappropriate. That’s the only allegation. That’s a far cry from what you alleged.
Flight logs show more than a dozen trips on Epstein’s jet. Some with underage girls.
I’m not convicting the guy... (outside of perjury of course which also isn’t exactly inspiring) just saying politics is very much about optics and some distance from Bill might be appropriate here.
I’m not convicting the guy... (outside of perjury of course which also isn’t exactly inspiring) just saying politics is very much about optics and some distance from Bill might be appropriate here.
Didn’t say or admit he was there. I was referring to one allegation. That’s it.
Btw, Clinton had five minutes and nailed his speech. That’s why you have Bill Clinton speak.
Was this your attempt at humor? It’s not that the comment was predictably moronic. The real offensive thing is that It fell flat, not witty and just plain not funny.
Then you are just misguided. There has never been an allegation that Clinton was with underage girls ever. You slander a man with no proof just because you feel like it and that’s reckless and wrong.
Next, please educate yourself with the definition of pedophile. That is a person who who is attracted to prepubescent children. Not even Epstein himself was a pedophile. Epstein was committing statutory rape. please at least get your terms right before you get your facts wrong.
Relax Francis...I'm not trying him in a court of law. The fact is he was friends with and on that island with Epstein. Maybe he was more discreet than Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz, but he wasn't there to work on his tan. And we also know he was proven to use his power and position to prey on a White House intern. And yes, I know she was of legal age, but he has an established track record. Thanks for citing the difference in the legal definition of pedophile and statutory rape. In any legal discussion about Slick WIllie going forward, I'll make sure to use the correct term. Anyone that was on that island with Epstein is scum.
I agree that pedophile is the incorrect term.
What would be the correct term for a 49-year-old married father and president who his cigars by inserting them into a 22-year-old intern in the oval office?
What would be the correct term for a 49-year-old married father and president who his cigars by inserting them into a 22-year-old intern in the oval office?
And yet you have nothing to say about Trump. Lol. Hypocrites.
TDS...the thread is about the appropriateness of Clinton speaking at the DNC....but, Trump....
In my opinion, if you think democrats should distance themselves from Clinton, you should probably also think Republicans should distance themselves from Trump...
You threw out just blatant false allegations that Bill Clinton was and is a pedophile. Your moral outrage is just so phony. See below.
Hmm, see you did a cut out for your boy Trump. If you are so moral, why not say anyone associated with Epstein? Why not say anyone who partied with Epstein? How about anyone who was in a party wit Epstein with a bunch of girls and looked like the biggest slime ball and even more slimier than Epstein? What about anyone who wishes Ghislaine Maxwell we’ll against the criminal charges she faces?
First of all, I could care less about Trump, but there is a big difference being in the same room at a party and traveling specifically to Epstein's Island. If you watched the Netflix special, you would know that.
I'm pretty cool with my values; you seem to love to slurp on Clinton though. Enjoy.
some of them are?
but not because of any epstein related thing. trumps connections are tenuous. hes a bad guy but not in that way. not like clintons marked 27 trips.
horrendous choice of words.
and fwiw the netflix special is a total hack job. i think it was produced by the clinton tribe.
Has one impeached president ever slammed another impeached president before?
According to factcheck.org
By 2002, after Clinton had left office, the former president began to be listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private plane, a fact confirmed by Clinton’s spokesman on Twitter in July. Between Feb. 9, 2002, and Nov. 4, 2003, we counted a total of six trips; two of them were just one-way flights, though. In all, there were a total of 26 flights taken during the six trips, since several trips included multiple stops.
The flight logs for Epstein’s plane were recently unsealed in a lawsuit brought by one of his accusers.
Here’s what we found:
- Feb. 9, 2002 — Clinton hopped a flight from Miami to Westchester, New York, where he lives.
- March 19, 2002 — Clinton was listed as flying from New York to London and then returning two days later.
- May 22, 2002 — Clinton flew from Japan to Hong Kong. The next day he flew to Singapore (by way of Shenzhen, China), where he gave a speech. On May 25, he left for Brunei, by way of Bangkok.
- July 13, 2002 — He attended a wedding in Morocco and then hopped a flight to New York, stopping in the Azores.
- Sept. 21, 2002 — Clinton left for a nine-day trip to Africa with actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker, visiting Ghana, Nigeria, Rwanda, Mozambique and South Africa. While there, he worked on HIV and AIDS prevention projects, democratization, and economic development. He finished the trip in England, where he addressed the Labour Partyduring its annual conference. In a 2002 profile of Epstein, Clinton is quoted as saying through a spokesman, “Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science. I especially appreciated his insights and generosity during the recent trip to Africa to work on democratization, empowering the poor, citizen service, and combating HIV/AIDS.” According to the flight records, this was the longest trip Clinton took on Epstein’s plane, and it accounted for 11 of the 26 total flights.
- Nov. 4, 2003 — About a year after the Africa trip, Clinton took what appears to be his last trip on Epstein’s plane. He flew from Brussels to Oslo, where he had a two-day visitwith officials to work on his project to prevent HIV and AIDS in developing countries. He then flew to Hong Kong, by way of Siberia, and finished the trip in Beijing.
Shortly after Epstein’s death, Trump sowed confusion about Clinton’s use of the plane, saying to reporters:
Trump, Aug. 13: I know he was on his plane 27 times and he said he was on the plane four times. But when they checked the plane logs, Bill Clinton — who was a very good friend of Epstein — he was on the plane about 27 or 28 times. So why did he say “four times”?
And then the question you have to ask is: Did Bill Clinton go to the island? Because Epstein had an island that was not a good place, as I understand it. And I was never there. So you have to ask: Did Bill Clinton go to the island? That’s the question. If you find that out, you’re going to know a lot.
There is no evidence that Clinton visited Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean. None of the flight logs list Clinton as a passenger on a Virgin Islands-bound plane, and the former president’s spokesman said in July that Clinton “has never been to Little St. James Island.”
Not hypocritical at all.
You were waxing eloquent about legal definitions and I asked for a clarification.
If you wish to discuss Trump's sexual transgressions, I am happy to do so.
I am not well versed on the matter. From what I know, he:
1. While on a bus with other men, he talked about things you get away with at Hollywood parties.
2. He has been accused of spending too much time backstage at the beauty pageants.
3. There is talk that Cohen's book will reveal something about golden showers.
4. He likely cheated on his wives.
Please let us know what you have heard.
Don't tell me character matters in a country that elects trump. Remember the un-cola. He is uncharacter. I never voted for Clinton BTW. Ross perot baby, a business man who actually ran successful biz, gell, he invented a new kind of computer company in edp. We elected the guy whose middle name us chapter 11, who bedded pork stars, and not even a hot one, who grabs the girls in the...
Trump cheated on his wife, then called up the nyp as his alter ego so we all could hear he was the best sex she ever had. He is everything most of us dispise and you would too if he wasn't pretending to be a republican. Abd if you that grabbing in p is what you hear in the locker room, your gym has too many jerk offs
He admitted he cheated on Ivana.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...autiful-1994-article-1.2822695?outputType=amp
Okay so now we know Trump cheated on his wife.
And we know Clinton moistened his cigars in the oval office with a 22-year-old intern.
I'll add the Clinton likely cheated on Hillary. We might be able to convert the likely to he did if somebody can find a direct citation on Jennifer Flowers.
Paul Jones is another story. I guess that's a he said she said. Albeit she had a pretty precise recollection of Clinton's anatomy.
And we know Clinton moistened his cigars in the oval office with a 22-year-old intern.
I'll add the Clinton likely cheated on Hillary. We might be able to convert the likely to he did if somebody can find a direct citation on Jennifer Flowers.
Paul Jones is another story. I guess that's a he said she said. Albeit she had a pretty precise recollection of Clinton's anatomy.
