why would so many be upset if Danny Hurley becomes head coach at another big east or high major school and not at SHU? Not like he was well regarded here as a player due to fan hostility. if he becomes a high major head coach wish him success and the fact that he is a shu alum.
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What fans we showing him hostility? The average fan wasn't, it was the students. Danny Hurley was a 20 year old who was arrogant, cocky. It rubbed a lot of students the wrong way and he was not well liked by some groups of students. So you have frats coming out , other students coming out and starting chants like Bobby's better. The average fan wasn't doing that. And if I remember correctly Danny finished his career off pretty well with blaney. Also I think Danny didn't really get a long with PJ very well.
People are going to get upset because Danny is an alum, he is a good coach, and that last name. That last name has a lot of pull and carries a lot of weight. I think subconsciously people expect somewhat the same success as Dad.
People are going to get upset because Danny is an alum, he is a good coach, and that last name. That last name has a lot of pull and carries a lot of weight. I think subconsciously people expect somewhat the same success as Dad.
The St. John's administration doesn't have a clue either. The other day some of them wanted to give Lavin a new contract. Some of them want to hire a guy with no coaching experience hoping name recognition carries them to the next level. The only advantage their administration has over ours is that they ultimately got rid of the coach that really didn't want to be there anymore and for some reason we are keeping ours.
It wasn't the students around me. There were VERY vocal guys screaming at Hurley that he sucks. These same "fans" were screaming at other players after Danny too. It was usually towards the local players such as Marcus Toney-El. It's almost as if they feel they know the local players from following them in high school, so they can attack them vocally if they don't bring the results the "fan" expected. I have a feeling these are the same people who are posting on this message board.
I think people would be angry because first off as our local rival and coach part ways as we should also be doing it looks like a possibility that Danny could be the next coach at SJU. Doesn't matter what type of ballplayer he was. people see he did the job from ST. BENEDICTS TO WAGNER AND NOW IN YEAR 2 OR 3 RHODE ISLAND IS MUCH IMPROVED AND WILL BE BETTER. Danny can recruit and people who know means wherever he goes like an AMAKER or Bobby H he will bring instant credibility to the school and will definitely recruit . All this while we or should I say the BIG TALKERS in the administration sit on there hands. Something can be done about the extension but this is not what the thread is about. All I know is that we are sinking deeper into obscurity while our rivals on MANY MANY years have parted ways with their coach. At least they try. My GOD 2 NCAAS and an NIT for LAVIN in 4 years. WAS sick for 1 season. Our coach has 1 NIT in 5 years. And since the news about Lavin came out I realized how irrelevant we are. All I heard except for a little baseball and ncaa talk and football on the FAN was about Lavin. This guy who I don't like a SYRACUSE GUY JJ after dark had his whole program basically on LAVIN early this morning. The NY POST and other outlets are on this. If we had an opening I get the feeling other than all of us on here no one gves a u know what. That's why people are so mad. Enough of this nonsense . SHU do something.
Let's say you have 15,000 people in an arena cheering for you.
And there are about 150 loud people cheering against you. Many of those people are fans of the opposing team. Some are loud drunk frat boys. (You want to talk about arrogant and obnoxious?) Twenty years later, why are people still talking about the tiny minority of fans?
Can we start talking about the 99 percent who supported Dan while he was at SHU?
Those are the people who recognize that Hurley was a 1,000 point scorer who was an excellent point guard and passer. Hurley went to the NCAA Sweet 16, he was a member of a Big East Regular Season Championship team, he won a Big East Tournament championship. He played in another NCAA tournament. That's a very accomplished career while wearing the blue and white.
He has also had a very good career as a head coach, has proven himself a winner and as a person who can build a program.
That's why fans such as myself would be very upset to see him at St. John's. It's bad enough that a Seton Hall alum is their baseball coach and has had a lot more success than the Pirates.
This post was edited on 3/28 9:49 AM by 400SOAVE
And there are about 150 loud people cheering against you. Many of those people are fans of the opposing team. Some are loud drunk frat boys. (You want to talk about arrogant and obnoxious?) Twenty years later, why are people still talking about the tiny minority of fans?
Can we start talking about the 99 percent who supported Dan while he was at SHU?
Those are the people who recognize that Hurley was a 1,000 point scorer who was an excellent point guard and passer. Hurley went to the NCAA Sweet 16, he was a member of a Big East Regular Season Championship team, he won a Big East Tournament championship. He played in another NCAA tournament. That's a very accomplished career while wearing the blue and white.
He has also had a very good career as a head coach, has proven himself a winner and as a person who can build a program.
That's why fans such as myself would be very upset to see him at St. John's. It's bad enough that a Seton Hall alum is their baseball coach and has had a lot more success than the Pirates.
This post was edited on 3/28 9:49 AM by 400SOAVE
There's no reason to get all worked up about any place Danny or Bobby Hurley or any prospective coaching candidate might wind up this year because we have a coach who will be our coach for the 2015/2016 season and , according to some, possibly for the 2016/2017 season as well The reasons why that will happen no longer matter, what does matter is the result and that result is Kevin will be our coach next year at a minimum. I personally wish that we're not the case but it is and all the very valid reasons he should not be remain but haven't convinced the decision makers at SH to make a change.
Would love to know what Fraternities you're talking about? I am a Pike and embarrassingly was still in school when he came. And can tell you with 100%confidence he was friends with many Pikes. And we owned the visitors baseline first 3 rows.
2years after he graduated I saw him,Bobby and Dare Mom's out in Hoboken. He came up to me and said hey Pokey. As other posters have said 20 yrs is ancient history.
I believe the only reason he wouldn't come here is if he isn't confident of a 110% commitment from the school
To the level of TA.
20 yrs least 3 Ads and 2 or 3 school Changes of SHU leadership.
Too many are overbmlowing the pasts affect on today.
Jesus. With in 5 years after WWII USA was allies with both Japan AND Germany. And I am pretty sure the bad blood was 100 xs worse.
2years after he graduated I saw him,Bobby and Dare Mom's out in Hoboken. He came up to me and said hey Pokey. As other posters have said 20 yrs is ancient history.
I believe the only reason he wouldn't come here is if he isn't confident of a 110% commitment from the school
To the level of TA.
20 yrs least 3 Ads and 2 or 3 school Changes of SHU leadership.
Too many are overbmlowing the pasts affect on today.
Jesus. With in 5 years after WWII USA was allies with both Japan AND Germany. And I am pretty sure the bad blood was 100 xs worse.
As someone who graduated in 96 and got to know Hurley "in passing at best" I have no idea where the "arrogant" or "cocky" comments come from... and based on the "years" next to the posters who keep claiming this, I have a feeling very few of you went to school with him and are basing this off 20 yr rumors. In the student section of Shu in the 90's, I saw very little (to none) of the comments/ hostility coming from the student section. It was the older alumni that would have the chants and screaming as he came off the floor on a down game. Basically take the comments on the message board of players sucking or being overrated and that's what a lot of our alumni were screaming. Just to be clear it wasn't the students.
I'm not sure what frats, but there were people that didn't like him, not regular student section crowd. Would just come to the game to taunt him. My sister graduated same year as Danny. Guys I met from her either didn't like him or were jealous. Maybe some other fans that it was funny and joined in, but that's where it started. Danny was an easy target
Why is it being talked about? Because Danny took a redshirt year, due in part to the pressure he felt living in his brothers shadow. Egged on by season ticket holders , not visitors screaming at him on his home court.
He may not be bothered all these years later, but he may. I think he would be a great coach at SHU. Let's hope he feels that way. After the postings about Willard, will the same thing happen to Danny if he is our coach next year, and they play worse than this past year? Will the attacks on message boards and season ticket holders start yelling he can't coach as well as Bobby?
He may not be bothered all these years later, but he may. I think he would be a great coach at SHU. Let's hope he feels that way. After the postings about Willard, will the same thing happen to Danny if he is our coach next year, and they play worse than this past year? Will the attacks on message boards and season ticket holders start yelling he can't coach as well as Bobby?
I brought up that Hurley was a good guy vs the posters that keep talking about him being arrogant and cocky. He has this reputation that, I for one, never understood as he always seemed like a good guy on campus. I'd be shocked if, regardless of money, he would come back to SHU. If you are him you see the fans taunting Willard, the fan at the Big East spitting on him, etc. So if you are Hurley you must be thinking "yup that's the same sh#t show I remember..." If he was hired Id welcome the guy but I'd be thinking "wow he's a bigger guy than me I would have gone out of my way to screw the fans". Bottom line the fans cut the kid zero slack when he was here.
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Maybe he sees it as a bit of a redemption opportunity. I wasn't a student until his senior year so I didn't see or hear the pathetic fans that would heckle a teenager but I also could see him remembering that and it being a deterrent. Unfortunately I dont think we'll ever have a chance to find out.
I may have misspoke if I called Danny arrogant and cocky. I wasn't calling him that or saying he was. But to some he was and like I said some people were jealous of him. Like I said not everyone seemed to like him.
Back to the original point. I think people would be upset if Danny took the St John's job for a few reasons:
He is one of our own.
He built 2 programs already.
He knows the game (X's and O's). And know how to teach his players
He would do a good job here.
He would be able to recruit here. At least get a few kids from his father.
He shows passion on the sidelines.
St. John's fired a better coach than Willard and we did nothing.
Prevents us from hiring him next year when we finally come to our senses.
Prevents us from hiring his brother next year when we finally come to our senses.
He is one of our own.
He built 2 programs already.
He knows the game (X's and O's). And know how to teach his players
He would do a good job here.
He would be able to recruit here. At least get a few kids from his father.
He shows passion on the sidelines.
St. John's fired a better coach than Willard and we did nothing.
Prevents us from hiring him next year when we finally come to our senses.
Prevents us from hiring his brother next year when we finally come to our senses.
There's nothing embarrassing about this thread.
I think a lot of lies, misconceptions and gross exaggerations are being clarified. It seems most people would love Dan Hurley at SHU.
As for my comment about SHU fans:
It's very frustrating to constantly see that fans were on the warpath well before a season was over. There have been so many rumors that have been discussed ad nauseam, yet even now we still don't know truth from half-truth from fiction. (At least I don't know.)
No one at SHU talks. Wild rumors about locker room incidents flew in the media only to have Sina's father deny them. The coach didn't even see fit to attend his last radio post-game interview, sending Shaheen to answer the questions.
The attacks continue to this day.
SHU is to blame for a lot of this. Silence is the worst PR. There's an old expression: silence is consent.
When you don't speak up or defend yourself, people will assume something bad is going on. Otherwise, why would you clam up?
How hard is it to say, "I did not pursue the Holy Cross job in any way."
Despite everything, I still think the Pirates will be much better next season. The players are just too good. Hopefully, they'll also be smart enough to pull together as a team and learn, Kentucky-style, that winning is more important than minutes.
Now that I am getting ad nauseam, I'll conclude by saying that I just want a coach who sees SHU as a long-term job and who SHU will support as if that coach will be here 20-plus years. Otherwise, don't even interview the guy.
I think a lot of lies, misconceptions and gross exaggerations are being clarified. It seems most people would love Dan Hurley at SHU.
As for my comment about SHU fans:
It's very frustrating to constantly see that fans were on the warpath well before a season was over. There have been so many rumors that have been discussed ad nauseam, yet even now we still don't know truth from half-truth from fiction. (At least I don't know.)
No one at SHU talks. Wild rumors about locker room incidents flew in the media only to have Sina's father deny them. The coach didn't even see fit to attend his last radio post-game interview, sending Shaheen to answer the questions.
The attacks continue to this day.
SHU is to blame for a lot of this. Silence is the worst PR. There's an old expression: silence is consent.
When you don't speak up or defend yourself, people will assume something bad is going on. Otherwise, why would you clam up?
How hard is it to say, "I did not pursue the Holy Cross job in any way."
Despite everything, I still think the Pirates will be much better next season. The players are just too good. Hopefully, they'll also be smart enough to pull together as a team and learn, Kentucky-style, that winning is more important than minutes.
Now that I am getting ad nauseam, I'll conclude by saying that I just want a coach who sees SHU as a long-term job and who SHU will support as if that coach will be here 20-plus years. Otherwise, don't even interview the guy.
I was not taking a shot at you, Jimmy, and hope you didn't take it that way. I apologize if it did come across that way. Nevertheless, spitting "in Willard's direction" is quite different that "spitting on" Willard, and considering that others have vehemently disputed that Willard was spat upon, discretion may be the better part of valor in this instance! Plus, doesn't the program have enough trash fires that we can't put this one out?
Trust me that's not a shot at me. I get people here saying much worse!! just to be clear the person was spitting at Willard. My directional comment was she couldn't see if it hit him.... Honestly Im not so sure we have as many fires as this board makes us out to!! But regardless this boards like crack!!
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is this a seinfeld episode ? Obviously if someone did this it's a despicable move, but we have much bigger issues than a fan possibly spitting in Willard's direction.
See that's where you miss the point of what SHU, as a coaching job, is remembered for and quite frankly one of the reasons SHU needs to give Willard that last year. Blowing out coaches, shop lifting coaches, an alumni spitting on a coach, buying out another coach, etc. Holy crap I just poured gasoline on the fire w that one but it's the reality unfortunately of SHU.
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Firing coaches every five years obviously doesbt look good. But does it look worse than having losing seasons every year. Epic collapses. Players quitting midseason. Etc? . Id like to think that we'd be pursuing coaches who are confident enough in themselves that they won't be considering the fact that we've had a coaching carousel in the past.
No one spit on Willard! That was a lie by Prunty! No wonder the Ledger fired him! This is how rumors start, by people like Prunty spreading lies that they hope catch on as truth. Do your homework, don't believe everything you hear from Ledger hacks who don't want to see Seton Hall succeed!
Scroll up I'm basing my comment on the wife of an alumni who witnessed it not the paper... It's unfortunate. My point is still the same that if I'm Danny Hurley I am looking at SHU as the same unwelcoming place it was to him as a student based on what's out there. Would you really roll the dice w your kids coming to the home games and potentially hearing the fans turn on you like they did after Willards slide? This isn't a comment or argument in support of Willard record it's simply stating if you are a coach, w tons of options who had bad experience at SHU, you would look long and hard at these things...
All I can tell you was I was at a non-SHU event and the wife of an alumni and I were speaking and when she mentioned the Willard spitting incident I said "that was just a reporter making stuff up" and she replied " no I watched it" and went on to describe what she saw. She's not a credible poster though so take it with a grain of salt. That being said, Hurley and the rest of his family must see a pattern w SHU fans is what I assume to be the case. Regardless of it's true it's true. I'm no expert just my thoughts on a slow Saturday at home....
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I don't know how anyone who wasn't specifically scanning the situation like a secret service agent would know for certain if this happened. But didn't prunty backtrack when questioned about it? Also, isn't this considered assault? You'd think someone would have pointed the spitter out to security. Why am I even posting about this lol
Shaheen did final postgame radio interview because BET requires the head coach to do postgame TV press conference
Come on, chickenbox. The coach did both all season long.
That radio post game show, which was really a post-mortem, went on for about 25 minutes.
It was a missed opportunity to reach out to the hard core fans, who are the only ones who listen to a post-game radio program.
He could have said, "I'm as disappointed as anybody. I am going to work harder than ever to turn around this program. We ran into bad luck with Isaiah's injury. That disrupted everything. That was huge. Then Brandon was slowed down the last few games with a knee injury. That was a killer. But I can promise you that this team will come back more experienced, and physically and mentally stronger. I'm looking forward to it because we will never have a season like this again."
If I heard something like that I'd be hearing somebody talking directly to me. I'd hear somebody with anger and fire who is communicating.
That didn't happen.
Sometimes I think there's a $10K minimum before SHU will even acknowledge your existence.
That radio post game show, which was really a post-mortem, went on for about 25 minutes.
It was a missed opportunity to reach out to the hard core fans, who are the only ones who listen to a post-game radio program.
He could have said, "I'm as disappointed as anybody. I am going to work harder than ever to turn around this program. We ran into bad luck with Isaiah's injury. That disrupted everything. That was huge. Then Brandon was slowed down the last few games with a knee injury. That was a killer. But I can promise you that this team will come back more experienced, and physically and mentally stronger. I'm looking forward to it because we will never have a season like this again."
If I heard something like that I'd be hearing somebody talking directly to me. I'd hear somebody with anger and fire who is communicating.
That didn't happen.
Sometimes I think there's a $10K minimum before SHU will even acknowledge your existence.
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So you're suggesting KW should have added onto the laundry list of excuses that inspired a somewhat entertaining thread earlier this week?
The timetable at the Big East Tournament is different. It's impossible for the coach to do both.
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