Felton

[jcpetri]

I felt this needed its own thread. What is going on with Felton. He was supposed to be our future point guard, but he is not been given a chance to play. I thought he gave us some good minutes in the time he's played so far but has been riding the bench lately. He will surely move on if Sha decides to keep him on the bench and next year some team is going to get a good point guard. Herein lies the mystery.

 

[Seton75]

who said he was the future? i dont rememver ever feeling that. i hope he is a guy who can help us. and i hope to see him become the backup for dual and play some off the ball too.

i did think dual was the future when he got him. i had/have some doubts, but i think I now see more of his potential and want to see him on the court

 

[shu67]

I felt this needed its own thread. What is going on with Felton. He was supposed to be our future point guard, but he is not been given a chance to play. I thought he gave us some good minutes in the time he's played so far but has been riding the bench lately. He will surely move on if Sha decides to keep him on the bench and next year some team is going to get a good point guard. Herein lies the mystery.

I agree with you and not the negative people. From clips of him in high school and from the limited playing time he has been given I can see him becoming a stud point guard. Everyone on this team has made mistakes. Sure he has been somewhat tentative but he can handle the ball quite well for his size and has shown from HS clips he can score it too.

Why not bring him along and develop him when we have a down season? Now is the time to develop our frosh and soph players not next year.

 

[Piratz]

His PT is all over the map. During the first 5 games he played in 2 with a grand total of 3 minutes and no stats. Then he played 10-15 minutes consistently in the next 3 games. Now back to 2 DNP’s.

Anyone ask Sha?

 

[Section112]

He clearly has PG skills something we badly need. Bigger picture he could be our PG of the future. Bring him along slowly. Play him for 2-3 minute spells to give Dual a break in each half. But play him. He's way better at this point than DAW playing the point. Dylan is much better off the ball and can make shots and rebound and do the little things that he is so good at. Felton earned more PT based on his solid minutes in Charleston than he has gotten the last two games. I'm OK with Sha shortening the bench but this kid can shoot and handle and pass - one of our few triple threats (can't believe I wrote that but looking at some of our other players he is one of the few).

 

[Piratz]

The PG play has been so bad on this team and it’s the #1 reason we have looked lost on offense leading to the 3 horrific losses and terrible 5-5 record. It’s been so bad that any guard who can move the ball around, dribble penetrate, handle tempo, and look competent creating lanes and spacing is a massive upgrade. I mean Dylan Addae-Wusu has been our STARTING PG.

Dual is progressing, I’d still leave him there at this point, but he was clearly nowhere near ready for the job. Felton looked more comfortable than DAW by a mile and you really shouldn’t use Jenkins there either IMO. Too bad Harmon never materialized as a player.

What a disaster. It makes the conversions of Carrington, McKnight, or Shavar look like All-BE stuff. Heck even Odukale when Richmond went down in Sha’s first year looks so much better.

 

[NYC Pirate]

I agree with you and not the negative people. From clips of him in high school and from the limited playing time he has been given I can see him becoming a stud point guard. Everyone on this team has made mistakes. Sure he has been somewhat tentative but he can handle the ball quite well for his size and has shown from HS clips he can score it too.

Why not bring him along and develop him when we have a down season? Now is the time to develop our frosh and soph players not next year.

Its perplexing to some degree. As you said everyone of them have made glaring mistakes this season. He did not play in either of the last two games. So, can he now get minutes at Rutgers? Maybe his time will come later in the year.

 

[HallGuy23]

who said he was the future? i dont rememver ever feeling that. i hope he is a guy who can help us. and i hope to see him become the backup for dual and play some off the ball too.

i did think dual was the future when he got him. i had/have some doubts, but i think I now see more of his potential and want to see him on the court

Dual has one decent game where he scores more than 2 points and all of a sudden this board thinks he’ll become a great player..

Yes Felton should be the point guard of the future. If he gets no burn simply because he’s a freshman then we’ll never get anybody halfway decent again as a high school recruit.

Ridiculous he rides the bench when he showed a much better feel for running an offense in 10 seconds in Charleston then our 5th year senior who supposedly deserved “some slack” and a “NBA prospect” sophomore have shown over weeks.

But a freshman gets nothing

 

[JTSHU]

Hate duals game. Not smooth, no rhythm to his game. Very herky jerky

 

[Seton75]

2 games over 2 point lofl

 

[Seton75]

this board had so many complaints about kr, i take our pg bitches with a grain of salt lol

 

[SHUSA]

is this the proverbial doghouse that has plagued seton hall for decades?

also, what happened actually with harmon?

 

[Piratz]

is this the proverbial doghouse that has plagued seton hall for decades?

also, what happened actually with harmon?

What a blunder with him given the past.

 

[stipe65]

His PT is all over the map. During the first 5 games he played in 2 with a grand total of 3 minutes and no stats. Then he played 10-15 minutes consistently in the next 3 games. Now back to 2 DNP’s.

Anyone ask Sha?

Probably forgot he was on the team. He cries about no point guard and doesn’t play a kid that might have a chance to be a good point guard. But yeah, let’s keep putting Dylan out there.

 

[SHUSA]

What a blunder with him given the past.

but what is going on with him? why isn't he playing? im out of the loop on that one .

 

[chickenbox]

Has any reporter asked Shaheen?

 

[HallGuy23]

Radio silence from the establishment

 

[CT Pirate]

The one concern I have with Sha is his reluctance to share anything. Felton has some ability. The cone of silence around the program is troubling. It works when you're winning, not so much when you're getting beat down on a continual basis.

 

[Bud Boomer]

Priority #1 right now should be figuring out what we have for next year. Sha needs to know whether any of these guys are worth keeping and building around, or if he needs to start from scratch. That should mean major minutes for guys Dual, Middleton, Coleman, Godswill, Okorafor, Gus, Felton and Tubek.

It sucks for Dylan, Jenkins and Toumi - three of the best players on the team. But it’s a business now. Those guys will get paid whether they produce or not. Playing time is too valuable to be using on guys who will have no involvement in the future.

 

[SPK145]

Priority #1 right now should be figuring out what we have for next year. Sha needs to know whether any of these guys are worth keeping and building around, or if he needs to start from scratch. That should mean major minutes for guys Dual, Middleton, Coleman, Godswill, Okorafor, Gus, Felton and Tubek.

It sucks for Dylan, Jenkins and Toumi - three of the best players on the team. But it’s a business now. Those guys will get paid whether they produce or not. Playing time is too valuable to be using on guys who will have no involvement in the future.

I think that is the exact thing NOT to do. Nobody knows today who will stick around next season. Prop up someone you think will stay only for them to turn around and leave?

Nowadays you have to play to win today.

 

[Bud Boomer]

I think that is the exact thing NOT to do. Nobody knows today who will stick around next season. Prop up someone you think will stay only for them to turn around and leave?

Nowadays you have to play to win today.

Normally yes but this is a lost season. There is no “win today” with this team. Every decision has to be about next year.

Obviously we know everyone can leave, but we need to figure out whether anyone is even worth trying to keep or build around. That information is more valuable than seeing whether the seniors can eke out 5 league wins.

 

[HallGuy23]

Normally yes but this is a lost season. There is no “win today” with this team. Every decision has to be about next year.

Obviously we know everyone can leave, but we need to figure out whether anyone is even worth trying to keep or build around. That information is more valuable than seeing whether the seniors can eke out 5 league wins.

I think it’s obvious Shaheen has made that decision already. If Felton doesn’t get meaningful (not blow out garbage time) playing time the next 2 games I think it’s safe to say he’s a goner, if not already.

Why would anybody stay nowadays for a program that appears to be going backwards from its high point and didn’t even play you. Not to mention he’s not from around here.

 

[SPK145]

Obviously we know everyone can leave, but we need to figure out whether anyone is even worth trying to keep or build around. That information is more valuable than seeing whether the seniors can eke out 5 league wins.

Who is going to want to stay around in a program with so little wins AND P4P funds?

 

[Piratz]

It'll take care of itself because the younger players > the older players, I think. Now you gotta hope that talent translates to wins at some point or that means nothing either. I also hope those sophomores develop into legit players and become a nucleus we can retain. Seems unlikely but that would be a big positive for Sha moving forward.

Watching DAW dribble the air out of the ball killing offensive possessions bc he hasn't figured out how to create offensive space or ball movement for others as PG, watching Toumi foul everyone to death and then shoot 30% from the FT line himself, or Aligbe clang shots won't help. Hey, I hope those 3 guys turn it around too but they're a major reason we are where we are. They are all complementary players.

We're 10 games in and things are already dead. The Rock is barely drawing flies, there's no juice. Whatever Sha needs to do to win is primary.

 

[Piratz]

Normally yes but this is a lost season. There is no “win today” with this team. Every decision has to be about next year.

Obviously we know everyone can leave, but we need to figure out whether anyone is even worth trying to keep or build around. That information is more valuable than seeing whether the seniors can eke out 5 league wins.

I'd be rolling this out to start. Let them play together 25 to 30 MPG, take your lumps, see what happens. Sha is constantly talking about slow starts anyway with the current group. This is also an athletic lineup with with some good on-ball defenders that can switch and press defensively, which Sha likes. Maybe create more turnovers, get out on the break and push tempo. It's like stick figures up front, but whatever.

Dual is already better at PG than Addae-Wusu, space the floor and let him have kickout options with Middleton and Jenkins, see if Coleman and work the midrange/driving game.

Dual
Jenkins
Coleman
Middleton
Erheriene

Addae-Wusu is your 6th Man. Then you've got Aligbe, Toumi, and the others as needed off the bench and the typical Yalden/Okorafor rotation at center backing up.

Too bad on Harmon, maybe could've had a legit backup PG there.

 

[NYC Pirate]

So, time will tell how things play out. Today is a big test for Dual at Rutgers. Personally, I need to see more from him before projecting him as the PG moving forward. I do believe he can become a nice contributor on the BigEast level maybe better than that. Not sure about 30 plus minutes at the point? Let's see how Sha uses Felton from this moment on. No concrete reason has been given for no playing time the last two.

 

[Seton75]

imo no pt in 2 games tells me all i need to know.

 

[radecicco]

Sha like any coach wants to win. Tough situation in a down year to balance winning today versus maybe winning in the future.

Regarding Felton, I trust Sha to decide when to play him. Can’t wreck his confidence with too many minutes early in his career if he’s not ready. Played well in loss to Vandy, so-so vs FAU. Both those games in a low stress environment.

 

[bigraym]

NCAA hoops and our SHU team is virtually unwatchable, particularly with Sha's radio silence pertaining to his thoughts on players. As some have stated, you play a young player and he shows promise, he's probably gone next year to highest bidder.

Not a good situation, watching NBA more often than not.

 

[JTSHU]

Sha like any coach wants to win. Tough situation in a down year to balance winning today versus maybe winning in the future.

Regarding Felton, I trust Sha to decide when to play him. Can’t wreck his confidence with too many minutes early in his career if he’s not ready. Played well in loss to Vandy, so-so vs FAU. Both those games in a low stress environment.

I personally didnt see anything wrong w how felton played. For one thing he looked very confideng which is a big first step.

 

[hallstorm]

I will say the reason I would like to see the younger players—like Coleman, Felton, Dual and Middleton—is because they can be exciting. At least make the game fun even if they lose.

Because as a fan, seeing individual talent and chances for flash is worth going to see in person.

Although I know Sha will discourage that kind of game.

 

[NYC Pirate]

I will say the reason I would like to see the younger players—like Coleman, Felton, Dual and Middleton—is because they can be exciting. At least make the game fun even if they lose.

Because as a fan, seeing individual talent and chances for flash is worth going to see in person.

Although I know Sha will discourage that kind of game.

I agree 100 percent. Our expectations are low. So, I'd be more inclined to venture out to Newark to see a young nucleus of players. I think Sha wants wins no matter the style or brand.

 

[nutterforthree]

is this the proverbial doghouse that has plagued seton hall for decades?

also, what happened actually with harmon?

No one can tell you it’s the biggest secret around here.


I’m gonna say he was probably pissed that Sha went and got Dual right after he signed and basically gifted him a starting position. And since Shaheen seems like he can’t have a regular conversation without being offended you can put two and two together.

I can also see Zion being upset that Wusu was gonna be PG while he rode the bench.

So my guess is poor relationship with the coach

 

[mga pirate]

Priority #1 right now should be figuring out what we have for next year. Sha needs to know whether any of these guys are worth keeping and building around, or if he needs to start from scratch. That should mean major minutes for guys Dual, Middleton, Coleman, Godswill, Okorafor, Gus, Felton and Tubek.

It sucks for Dylan, Jenkins and Toumi - three of the best players on the team. But it’s a business now. Those guys will get paid whether they produce or not. Playing time is too valuable to be using on guys who will have no involvement in the future.

Good thing is team won't have long run in March so can get right on transfers. My guess Coleman will be out of price range so gonna need new best player

 

[radecicco]

I personally didnt see anything wrong w how felton played. For one thing he looked very confideng which is a big first step.

Didn’t say he played poorly, played well vs Vandy, ok vs FAU.