Seton Hall Pirates Stats - 2014-15
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A few things that stood out to me.
Only 3 players participated in every game
More turnovers than assists. That's telling.
Terrible free throw shooting and we lose our top 2 shooters after this season in Sina and Mobley.
Gibbs was clearly our best player and if he decides to leave after this year we are going to be in big trouble.
Only 3 players participated in every game
More turnovers than assists. That's telling.
Terrible free throw shooting and we lose our top 2 shooters after this season in Sina and Mobley.
Gibbs was clearly our best player and if he decides to leave after this year we are going to be in big trouble.
Damn. Whitehead led the team in turnovers and missed 9 games. That is not good. He has to become a better decision maker next season or it's trouble city.
Sina didn't contibute much as far as points with FT's, as he was 6th in that stat (and is far lower if you consider FTs made vs minutes played). Guys like Gibbs, IW, Carrington have the speed to get fouled and the ability to hit those FT. What we really need is Delgado and Desi to come back next year much improved in that category. Especially since both of those guys will be in at the end of the game.
First problem with the team is that we did and do not have a point guard.
Sina was our pg for most of the season. What did he deliver? 2.3 assists per game for a guy who played 32 minute per game is bad. Then look to his shooting and he shot 32% from the field and from 3. Those are bad stats.
Whitehead was not a pg either. 3.5 assists with just as many turnovers. That is Bad.
Gibbs was 3.8 assists per game which isn't bad but not very good for a pg. Gibbs is so effective driving to the basket and getting fouled. But, Gibbs for the second year in a row has problem shooting free throws. bad.
Who is the PG?? Willard has not handed the ball to a player and said this is your team. He wanted to appease everyone which resulted in players not knowing their roles.
in my opinion, I want Whitehead as the point guard with this proviso. His game is going to be restricted. He is going to pass first. He will only take an open jump shot and no wild drives into the lane. Gibbs is the best shooter. I want him on the outside where he can hit the open three or drive to the basket if Whitehead kicks it out.
We must have dribble drive penetration with kicking it out or dumping it down low.
We also must get Delgado more touches in the post.
Sina was our pg for most of the season. What did he deliver? 2.3 assists per game for a guy who played 32 minute per game is bad. Then look to his shooting and he shot 32% from the field and from 3. Those are bad stats.
Whitehead was not a pg either. 3.5 assists with just as many turnovers. That is Bad.
Gibbs was 3.8 assists per game which isn't bad but not very good for a pg. Gibbs is so effective driving to the basket and getting fouled. But, Gibbs for the second year in a row has problem shooting free throws. bad.
Who is the PG?? Willard has not handed the ball to a player and said this is your team. He wanted to appease everyone which resulted in players not knowing their roles.
in my opinion, I want Whitehead as the point guard with this proviso. His game is going to be restricted. He is going to pass first. He will only take an open jump shot and no wild drives into the lane. Gibbs is the best shooter. I want him on the outside where he can hit the open three or drive to the basket if Whitehead kicks it out.
We must have dribble drive penetration with kicking it out or dumping it down low.
We also must get Delgado more touches in the post.
I agree with everything you said... But to add to this point.
WE NEED A SOLID BACK-UP PG ON THIS TEAM.... So KW (if he has the guts - which if history indicates, he doesn't) to pull IW, KC or Gibbs if they are not doing their respective jobs and put in someone who can run the offense and not commit turnovers to get the game back to where it is supposed to be.
Otis Livingston, anyone???
There were two positions that needed to be addressed in the 2015 class , a big who could contribute immediately , especially with Mobley graduating and a legitimate point guard and we didn't fill any of those needs. We need both and when you don't address your weaknesses how can you expect your program to improve.
So a guard whose biggest area of weakness was committing turnovers would have helped a team where the biggest problem was committing turnovers?
SHUpat08 - Although I'm a huge fan of Otis Livingston we should take into account that first his offers are from low division 1 schools and second it may be hard to recruit a player who has been the starting PG for about two years on one of the best HS teams in the state of NJ ,and tell him that his job is to come off the bench when someone screws up and possibly play maybe 10 minutes if lucky. Also by the way we are trying to over recruit you with next year's class.Now if this can be done then I'm all for it because as I stated I'm a huge fan of Otis Livingston.
You should get killed for suggesting this. Come on. Really? Has this program sunk to such depths that someone can think Mayaan was the answer to the PG position? Gibbs, Whitehead and Carrington all have the talent to be a better pure pg on one leg than TM.
The remedy is not another player for pg. The remedy is coaching. Each one of these players can be the PG. It takes a coach to demand it and make it happen.
Turnovers weren't the biggest problem, but they were definitely a problem. Again. For the 4th straight year under Willard (gee, I wonder if it's related to the offense we run). Ironically, rebounding was probably the only positive in our offense last year. We were third in the league in offensive rebounding percentage.
He was a freshmen thrown into a starting roll in the Big East.... Last season he would have been a Junior I believe and I have no doubt his play would have picked up a ton. That area is one thing you can not knock Willard every pg under him has become a bit better. JT & Gibbs as an example....
This post was edited on 4/9 4:03 PM by jcalz88
We had serious turnover problems a few years ago when we were trying to run Aaron Cosby at the point with Tom Maayan and otherwise had nobody who could handle the ball. Remember some of those games that year? We had almost 30 turnovers at LSU if I recall.
Turnovers weren't the big issue with this team. The issue was we did nothing on offense and did not generate anything enough good movement at times. Look at the shooting percentages of Carrington, Whitehead, and Desi. Wow. NG.
Turnovers weren't the big issue with this team. The issue was we did nothing on offense and did not generate anything enough good movement at times. Look at the shooting percentages of Carrington, Whitehead, and Desi. Wow. NG.
The BE conference stats are very indicative of the problems. They also reflect performance comparison better since each team played each other twice.
Here are the four stats that stand out:
--First of all, the Pirates were next to last in free throw percentage at .678. (118 missed free throws in 18 games.) Xavier was first at .749. That a huge difference. How many games were lost just because of poor free throw shooting? The Pirates had a minus 5.7 scoring margin.
It's amazing to think that if the Pirates could shoot free throws the season could have turned out much different.
--Second, they were last in field goal percentage. A part of that can be attributed to very poor shot selection. They were frequently and unnecessarily taking very difficult shots and/or shots particular players should not be taking. Each player needs to know his strengths and weaknesses.
--Third, they were seventh in rebounding margin at minus 0.7. Every rebound means an extra possession for the other team.
--Fourth, they were next to last in turnover margin at minus 1.39.
Merely improving two of these four stats can mean an extra 5-6 victories. They add up over the course of a 40 minute game. There really should be no excuse for not seeing a significant improvement in free throw shooting, and better and smarter shot selection.
The players will be older and smarter. I believe they will do much better.
http://www.bigeast.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/confonly.html
Here are the four stats that stand out:
--First of all, the Pirates were next to last in free throw percentage at .678. (118 missed free throws in 18 games.) Xavier was first at .749. That a huge difference. How many games were lost just because of poor free throw shooting? The Pirates had a minus 5.7 scoring margin.
It's amazing to think that if the Pirates could shoot free throws the season could have turned out much different.
--Second, they were last in field goal percentage. A part of that can be attributed to very poor shot selection. They were frequently and unnecessarily taking very difficult shots and/or shots particular players should not be taking. Each player needs to know his strengths and weaknesses.
--Third, they were seventh in rebounding margin at minus 0.7. Every rebound means an extra possession for the other team.
--Fourth, they were next to last in turnover margin at minus 1.39.
Merely improving two of these four stats can mean an extra 5-6 victories. They add up over the course of a 40 minute game. There really should be no excuse for not seeing a significant improvement in free throw shooting, and better and smarter shot selection.
The players will be older and smarter. I believe they will do much better.
http://www.bigeast.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/confonly.html
BTW, I agree with those who said that Whitehead should be the PG. He showed that he's a heck of a passer. He just needs to forget the super fancy stuff. And his teammates need to catch and finish the passes. That would help.
(When Hazell was here, for example, he was the best passer on the team. He was also a very good ball handler. Yet he rarely got the chance to use those skills. I would have started him at PG. A PG who is big and can shoot the 3 is a deadly weapon in college basketball.)
Coaches should not subbornly pigeonhole a player based on the past. (I'm not saying that's what Willard is doing.)
With the 6-4, 210 Whitehead at PG and the 6-2 Gibbs at the 2, they would make an excellent backcourt duo.
Give Whitehead a full summer and preseason at PG. Just tell him right now so he will get into the mindset.
(When Hazell was here, for example, he was the best passer on the team. He was also a very good ball handler. Yet he rarely got the chance to use those skills. I would have started him at PG. A PG who is big and can shoot the 3 is a deadly weapon in college basketball.)
Coaches should not subbornly pigeonhole a player based on the past. (I'm not saying that's what Willard is doing.)
With the 6-4, 210 Whitehead at PG and the 6-2 Gibbs at the 2, they would make an excellent backcourt duo.
Give Whitehead a full summer and preseason at PG. Just tell him right now so he will get into the mindset.
I do believe it can work with Gibbs and Whitehead sort of sharing PG responsibilities if they both buy in to the team concept.
Anyway, how about the defense? A defensive-oriented coach who completely lost his team on that end of the floor. Remember how tenacious they were getting after it early in? Well, in conference games we finished just 8th of 10 teams in Defensive Efficiency and dead last in 2PT defense and at creating turnovers.
The three-point defense was good, but that can be a bit flukey.
Jeez.
Anyway, how about the defense? A defensive-oriented coach who completely lost his team on that end of the floor. Remember how tenacious they were getting after it early in? Well, in conference games we finished just 8th of 10 teams in Defensive Efficiency and dead last in 2PT defense and at creating turnovers.
The three-point defense was good, but that can be a bit flukey.
Jeez.
