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Game Thread: Seton Hall vs. Monmouth
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I remember when beating top 25 teams was an accomplishment. Top 100? Get out of here
I say this as someone who is as big of a Sha believer as there is… We are now in year 3 and have a record of 4-4 with 3 buy game losses. The season is effectively over and it’s not even December yet. When Sha was hired, all of us would’ve agreed that to be at this point in year 3 would be an abject disaster.
Again, I was a big of a believer in Sha as anyone else, but to just say “trust in Sha” is sticking your head in the sand when the reality shows us he has not built a successful program 3 seasons into the job. In fact, it’s seriously regressed from where inherited it. That’s just the truth.
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Year 1 and 2 were built on the back of a Willard player (Kadary).
This season is Shas true first team
Abdi Bashar Jr as a frosh last year averaged 13.4 MPG off the bench for Monmouth last year.
Scored 6.3 ppg
Shot 38% from the floor
Shot 36% from 2 pt range
Shot 39% from 3
Had a 1:2 assist to turnover ratio
You know who missed on this kid blowing up this year… EVERYONE!
In 2013-14 Willard’s team did the following:
beat Kent st by 2
Lost to Mercer
Lost to FDU
lost to St Peter’s
Choked the 10 point lead with less than a minute to play to Oklahoma
But all we remember is what we want.
They knocked off Villanova in the BE tournament that year on Gibbs buzzer beater.
Yes, everyone else missed on Bashar.
Everyone else also didn’t miss on their entire roster.
Everyone else doesn’t coach a program an hour away from where he plays
Everyone else isn’t good friends with his current head coach.
It’s more than fair to ask why he wasn’t on our radar, especially when we have an offense that’s bottom 5 in the NATION in offense.
I am so confused about last year.
Didn’t Sha turn around their season and lead them to the second most wins (13) in conference play in our program’s history?
Starting 5 seniors- 2 of which were 5th year players and a big east first teamer and not making the NCAA isn’t worth celebrating.
Well Mercer was a top 100 kenpom team that year (they were ranked higher than us that year) and it was on the road. Not acceptable but none of the 3 losses this year are of that caliber and none of them were blowouts like today.
Why are you assuming I don’t remember that season? I remember it well.
Let’s add some context. Mercer was a true road game that we lost in OT. They ended the season 27-9 and upset duke in the NCAA’s
St Peter’s was a double OT loss.
Oklahoma was a tournament team.
This season so far we are 4-4
Beat St Peter’s by 4
Lost to 3-6 Fordham at home (St. John’s blew them out by 32 in their previous game)
Lost to 3-5 Wagner (Georgetown beat them by 25)
Lost to 0-8 sub 300 Monmouth at home.
So Yes, this season is absolutely worse so far.
It’s getting really tiring seeing you act like the arbiter of Seton Hall history just because you had a podcast.
Finishing 13-7 and 4th in the BE is still NOT a bad season.
And I also DO NOT celebrate NIT championships.
But that was a NCCA tournament worthy team and all of the college basket world acknowledged that.
Which is surprising that coming from this board we didn’t assume that team would have made the sweet sixteen if they had gotten in. I mean during the COVID canceled season it was a forgone conclusion, that the team was going to the Final Fout. Even though they were trending towards a 4 seed after losing to Nova and Creighton.
People somehow think SHU is this coveted high end gig after Willard. It wasn’t and still isn’t.
What Willard did was respectable. He got us to the NCAA’s and then we lost in the first round all the time except once.
But he left the cupboard bare—unlike the team he inherited from Bobby G.
People have short, short memories.
What Willard did was respectable. He got us to the NCAA’s and then we lost in the first round all the time except once.
But he left the cupboard bare—unlike the team he inherited from Bobby G.
People have short, short memories.
Wait we lost Wagner?!?!?
Ok your credibility as replacing me as historian just went out the window.
And it has nothing to do with having a podcast and all about taking a minute or two look up some of this stuff that is available on the internet.
And yes I am aware of how good Mercer and Oklahoma were. But at the time it was UNACCEPTABLE to lose those games the way we did.
It’s all about context. I just find it funny how quickly we skip over Willard and say it has to be as bad as all the way back to the Gonzo days.
What? Willard left the cupboard bare? I’m confused he left a ton of talent on that team
I’m saying it’s worse than the early Willard days because objectively it IS.
Maybe some of these teams we’ve lost to turn it around, but that’s no guarantee. Also doesn’t mean our play won’t improve.
No matter how you slice it 4-4 with 3 buy game losses, one of which is to a previously winless sub 300 team by double digits is the lowest point SHU has been since the Gonzo era. Throw in an offense that is bottom 5 in the NATION for good measure as well.
Still 20+ games to improve, and it’s still possible to save face this season but this is the low point of my seton hall fandom for sure.
Also yes I mixed up Wagner with Hofstra. The game we lost because Jaqoun Sanders who we let walk hit the game winning 3 pointer.
Willard took over the program when it was basically dead and had no life.
Sha took over the program in great shape with a ton of hype. He is destroying setonnhall basketball and there is little hope on the horizon in the era of NIL. He can’t recruit, and he isn’t getting the best out of his players. He is the issue at the moment
Only hold over players were:
Kadary Richmond (struggled as a Soph)
Trey Jackson (struggled the year prior)
Tyrese Samuel
Jamir Harris (struggled the year prior)
Now that’s a debate all by itself how talented that group was coming into that season.
It’s not a bad season, but it’s also not something to be considered that great. That team was built on the back of Kadary. Without Kadary in the lineup we were not a top 5 BE team last year. Kadary was a Willard guy, not Sha’s guy.
The lower half of the league was incredibly weak and PC lost a first team all big east player. So there were some wins in our favor last year.
Sha made Kadary into the player he was last year.
Quote Simple really. Holloway rolled dice on 4 guys he thought would be major contributors and crapped out.
You mean the same guy that Willard benched down the stretch of games in favor of Bryce Aiken who carried us to big wins vs Michigan, Texas, and Rutgers.
And the same season which went off the rails when Bryce got hurt.
You can even make the argument it took Sha essentially one and half seasons to mold Kadary into the All BE player we saw during conference play.
It takes time for coaches to develop players. Willard needed time with Isiah Whitehead too.
During the NIL era SHA will not be given multiple years to develop players.
Do we want to start putting odds on the chances of Isaiah Coleman being a Pirate next year?
Think you forgot how well Kadary was playing before he injured his hand at Creighton
Did he tho? We watched Kadary go for 27 against UConn with Willard so that player was clearly there prior to sha
i get it. We can give a million examples back and forth but the really is that Sha has accomplished nothing here in terms of being a high major program. He’s dropped the ball big time this year. And is proving that he may not be up to the job.
Coleman will 100% not be a pirate next year
It’s not a crystal ball to be able to see that the best player on really bad teams leave in this era of college basketball.
Kids still value the opportunity to win and make money.
You mean how well they played against the bottom 5 teams in the conference down the stretch. 9-4 record with 7 wins against teams below .500 in the conference. They looked horrible against DePaul, Butler, and Georgetown at home. We were so good offensively that we didn’t break 70 in 8 of those games. And that included the embarrassment at Walsh vs St John’s.
Someone pointed out how weak the bottom of the conference was last year.
Everyone can’t have it both ways.
right now it is bad. But we don’t have this perfect history.
LOL this loss is so bad that I can’t even take any pleasure from unranked and thoroughly mediocre Michigan upsetting THE ohio state university on their home field! I guess the two upsets are pretty comparable in terms of size.
I believe we need balance right now. No reason to panic. Barring an unbelievable turn around in conference play or winning the BE Tournament there will be no post season.! That was a pathetic performance today. If it compares to other losses under other coaches so be it.
I'd like to see them start Felton, Coleman, Middleton and Jenkins moving forward.. We probably will have seven or more new players next season. Imperative that staff do their homework next time in evaluating player skills.
Sha needs a reset to some degree. He has to blend his strong defensive coaching mindset with a fresh outlook on prioritizing offense into the recruiting process. It can't be a million dollars for a player, but what compensation level are we witnessing right now? There has to be a middle ground.
How well a person plays isnt dependent on the team they play. He played horribly vs Georgetown in the big east tournament because his hand was injured. You make it sound like we can’t say someone played well vs Wagner. Of course they can. Richmond was playing his best. Everyone knew it. EVERYONE. That’s why there were about 10 threads of whether he’d play in the big east tournament and the status of his hand going into the ncaa tournament game.
The conference was weak last year. And it’s even weaker this year, but that doesn’t mean people who have good games vs the bottom of the league should be overlooked. There are still some good players on bad big east teams.
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