George Floyd Leaked Bodycam footage

[SHUSA]

This should cause some debate with this new information. Signs point to this guy deserving no statue. A fraud martyr? Imagine how mad the protestors and rioters will be when the officers are let off. could be very bad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-George-Floyd-time.html#v-4049160131241488932

Here are some points that i took from a comment

• George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck. He was saying he couldn't breathe minutes before being placed on the ground.
  
  
• George Floyd was foaming at the mouth as indicated in a transcript of the bodycam footage, which is indicative of a drug overdose.
  
  
• The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.
  
  
• The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect, and requires extreme restraint.
  
  
• A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.
  
  
• Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.
  
  
• Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.
  
  
• Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.
  

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

This should cause some debate with this new information. Signs point to this guy deserving no statue. A fraud martyr? Imagine how mad the protestors and rioters will be when the officers are let off. could be very bad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-George-Floyd-time.html#v-4049160131241488932

Here are some points that i took from a comment

• George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck. He was saying he couldn't breathe minutes before being placed on the ground.
  
  
• George Floyd was foaming at the mouth as indicated in a transcript of the bodycam footage, which is indicative of a drug overdose.
  
  
• The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.
  
  
• The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect, and requires extreme restraint.
  
  
• A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.
  
  
• Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.
  
  
• Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.
  
  
• Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

Nobody on either side is open to listening. This will cause problems. If the officers do get off free of any problems, the city will likely have to settle with them, plus more riots will likely occur. Question remains why almost 9 minutes.

 

[cernjSHU]

Uhm, a handcuff person should never be placed on his stomach. There is no question that Floyd resisted. But there is also no question that he was experiencing some sort of mental breakdown.

What the cops should have done was to sit him down outside the vehicle. He is at that point no threat since he is handcuffed behind his back. As this incident progresses, there becomes a point that he is clearly suffering and the use of having a knee to his neck is no longer needed if it ever was needed to subdue him.

No one is holding out Floyd to be the greatest person in the world. However, no person in custody should be treated this way. For you to suggest otherwise makes me believe you do not have a clue what you are talking about.

As far as the criminal charges go, I have a lot of doubts about the validity of the felony murder count. But I am not familiar with Minn law. However, I think this will be clear that this will be a reckless manslaughter conviction against Chauvin. As far as the other officers go, those are much more difficult to get convictions.

 

[SHUSA]

Uhm, a handcuff person should never be placed on his stomach. There is no question that Floyd resisted. But there is also no question that he was experiencing some sort of mental breakdown.

What the cops should have done was to sit him down outside the vehicle. He is at that point no threat since he is handcuffed behind his back. As this incident progresses, there becomes a point that he is clearly suffering and the use of having a knee to his neck is no longer needed if it ever was needed to subdue him.

No one is holding out Floyd to be the greatest person in the world. However, no person in custody should be treated this way. For you to suggest otherwise makes me believe you do not have a clue what you are talking about.

As far as the criminal charges go, I have a lot of doubts about the validity of the felony murder count. But I am not familiar with Minn law. However, I think this will be clear that this will be a reckless manslaughter conviction against Chauvin. As far as the other officers go, those are much more difficult to get convictions.

but i think the point is that he had ample opportunity to comply, stated he couldnt breath long before the knee was dropped, had multiple drugs in his system, and his autopsy revealed that the knee was a possible but unlikely cause of death.

there has been a ton of disgusting police behavior caught on camera the last few months. i think chauvin is disgusting based on history alone... but this case has a legitimate shot at acquitting them and potentially for good reason.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

This should cause some debate with this new information. Signs point to this guy deserving no statue. A fraud martyr? Imagine how mad the protestors and rioters will be when the officers are let off. could be very bad.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-George-Floyd-time.html#v-4049160131241488932

Here are some points that i took from a comment

• George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck. He was saying he couldn't breathe minutes before being placed on the ground.
  
  
• George Floyd was foaming at the mouth as indicated in a transcript of the bodycam footage, which is indicative of a drug overdose.
  
  
• The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.
  
  
• The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect, and requires extreme restraint.
  
  
• A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.
  
  
• Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.
  
  
• Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.
  
  
• Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately approximately 105lbs.

I think you make some excellent points. I think Chauvin gives a bad name to the 99% of cops that are good people. The question is though was Floyd in health trouble because of his irresponsible decisions as a grown man to have ingested a lethal cocktail of drugs. He certainly has not shown good decision making as an adult.

 

[SHUSA]

I think you make some excellent points. I think Chauvin gives a bad name to the 99% of cops that are good people. The question is though was Floyd in health trouble because of his irresponsible decisions as a grown man to have ingested a lethal cocktail of drugs. He certainly has not shown good decision making as an adult.

its not just chauvin. there is probably now a hundred cases that are giving police a bad name. the biggest problem is the leadership that basically promotes this behavior by never holding anyone accountable. just today i saw a video of a zillion policeman wrongly arrest a black woman and her kids, having them against the ground crying, because she was driving a van.... that was mistaken for a stolen MOTORCYCLE? imagine how traumatizing that is for the kids. not one of those 10 officers realized that gigantic van wasnt a motorcycle... 10 officers and not one of them ran the actual registration? woof.



are 99% of cops good people? who knows. im sure most of them are. but wayyyyy too many are like this. way too many. its the systematic issue needs to be focused on instead of "bad apples".

the chauvin case has many layers too it, but him being acquitted doesnt mean the problem was made up. it only means you cant rush to conclusions. in the case the body cam footage actually helps his cause. maybe this causes more officers to "turn theirs on"

 

[HALL85]

its not just chauvin. there is probably now a hundred cases that are giving police a bad name. the biggest problem is the leadership that basically promotes this behavior by never holding anyone accountable. just today i saw a video of a zillion policeman wrongly arrest a black woman and her kids, having them against the ground crying, because she was driving a van.... that was mistaken for a stolen MOTORCYCLE? imagine how traumatizing that is for the kids. not one of those 10 officers realized that gigantic van wasnt a motorcycle... 10 officers and not one of them ran the actual registration? woof.

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are 99% of cops good people? who knows. im sure most of them are. but wayyyyy too many are like this. way too many. its the systematic issue needs to be focused on instead of "bad apples".

the chauvin case has many layers too it, but him being acquitted doesnt mean the problem was made up. it only means you cant rush to conclusions. in the case the body cam footage actually helps his cause. maybe this causes more officers to "turn theirs on"

I do not believe there is systematic racism across 20,000 departments. I do believe there are certain departments and communities that have had poor leadership and enable these kinds of behaviors.

 

[Pirata]

not one of those 10 officers realized that gigantic van wasnt a motorcycle.

Actually, it was an SUV. I guess you are not to good at recognizing vehicles either.

I'd also question your ability to count. I saw 5. You cited a "zillion".

A plate number does not include a description. Kinda like a score on a golf scorecard.

If you read about this incident, it is an issue of organizational dysfunction as opposed to racist cops.

• Bad policy and procedure
• Lack of leeway to interpret and apply the procedure
• Poor judgement
• Perhaps some fear for career which led to blind following of the procedure.

All in all, a shit show. This is the kind of thing that needs to change when we talk of police reform.

 

[SHUSA]

I do not believe there is systematic racism across 20,000 departments. I do believe there are certain departments and communities that have had poor leadership and enable these kinds of behaviors.

i didnt mean racism as much as much as incompetence, abusing/getting off on power, the lack of accountability that comes with protecting law enforcement no matter how wrong they are.

i understand how hard of a job it can be, why "i can breathe" is tough to take seriously when its a common tactic used to try and escape, etc. thats why i would never want to defund or cancel the police.

but there is something too common, too amiss with these incidents. these arent inner city newark police forces, a fair amount are in mid-low crime areas.

 

[SHUSA]

Actually, it was an SUV. I guess you are not to good at recognizing vehicles either.

I'd also question your ability to count. I saw 5. You cited a "zillion".

A plate number does not include a description. Kinda like a score on a golf scorecard.

If you read about this incident, it is an issue of organizational dysfunction as opposed to racist cops.

• Bad policy and procedure
• Lack of leeway to interpret and apply the procedure
• Poor judgement
• Perhaps some fear for career which led to blind following of the procedure.

All in all, a shit show. This is the kind of thing that needs to change when we talk of police reform.

see my above comment. i agree it was all due to your points, however i also believe if this whas a white family the mom and kids wouldnt be cuffed on the blacktop. and you damn well know that too.

and youre wrong they were looking for a stolen motorcycle from another state. they detained an SUV. think about how much worse that is now.

 

[Pirata]

however i also believe if this whas a white family the mom and kids wouldnt be cuffed on the blacktop. and you damn well know that too.

We really don't know that but the media is sure trying to get everyone to think that way.

Here is a video of a 65 year old white woman who gets tased for a traffic stop.

You won't see CNN post this because it does not fit the narrative.

 

[SHUSA]

We really don't know that but the media is sure trying to get everyone to think that way.

Here is a video of a 65 year old white woman who gets tased for a traffic stop.

You won't see CNN post this because it does not fit the narrative.

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so this lady had something broken and refused to pay the price? doesnt seem to equate. btw have you figured out they were looking for a motorcycle with out of state plates yet? and managed to put an entire womans family in cuffs on the ground who is in an SUV?

 

[Pirata]

so this lady had something broken and refused to pay the price? doesnt seem to equate. btw have you figured out they were looking for a motorcycle with out of state plates yet? and managed to put an entire womans family in cuffs on the ground who is in an SUV?

I think my original reply addressed those questions.

I'm not defending their actions but if you do a little reading you can see how this happens.

Apparently that police department has a policy regarding stopping potential stolen vehicles. They consider it a high risk stop and the required actions of that policy explain why they did what they did.

Regarding the motorcycle versus the SUV as I said it may have com as a plate number with no description of the vehicle. Or if it did say out of state motorcycle the next paragraph explains why they may have thought something was still wrong. my point is your claim that police officer can't tell the difference between a motorcycle and an SUV is ridiculous.

She had also reported that her SUV had been stolen and apparently her follow-on report that it was recovered didn't make it through the system.

when you put those two things together you get a bit of a perfect storm that leads to a terrible incident.

if you look at the demeanor of the cops that were attending to the children it seems they were trying to help them. If I had to guess, I'd bet those cops were not particularly pleased that they had to do this as part of their procedures.

 

[HALL85]

i didnt mean racism as much as much as incompetence, abusing/getting off on power, the lack of accountability that comes with protecting law enforcement no matter how wrong they are.

i understand how hard of a job it can be, why "i can breathe" is tough to take seriously when its a common tactic used to try and escape, etc. thats why i would never want to defund or cancel the police.

but there is something too common, too amiss with these incidents. these arent inner city newark police forces, a fair amount are in mid-low crime areas.

Once again, your painting 20,000 police forces with this broad generalization. You can have incompetence and poor leader ship in a city, suburban or rural police force. But to say it is systematic across all of them is just plain wrong.

 

[Merge]

You won't see CNN post this because it does not fit the narrative.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/31/us/oklahoma-traffic-stop-arrest/index.html

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[SHUSA]

Once again, your painting 20,000 police forces with this broad generalization. You can have incompetence and poor leader ship in a city, suburban or rural police force. But to say it is systematic across all of them is just plain wrong.

i just think that most police forces will go out of their way to cover up/defend their officers in the face of blatant wrongdoing up until the point theyre exposed and my opinion indeed is meant to paint a broad stroke. i also have an opinion that police forces attract people who get off on power and its never been addressed. despite this police are absurdly necessary, high majority of the individual officers are heroes, and the current protests against them are going about it completely wrong. multiple things can be true. police are enforcing laws and general pop feels they are not being held to the same standards. youd expect a criminal to be a bad person, not a cop. this is where i think the unrest comes from. im just trying to focus on the underlying premise that causes such animosity. how many bad apples can start being called a bunch?

 

[SHUSA]

not to stray too far, i think this george floyd footage will show that being a policeman isnt always cut and dry, and people should stop being so quick to glorify criminals.

im preparing for this to blow up, city real estate prices to drop, and i buy a nice investment property for 10 yrs. because the jury should see enough doubt to not convict in this cass

 

[Bobbie Solo]

I think my original reply addressed those questions.

I'm not defending their actions but if you do a little reading you can see how this happens.

Apparently that police department has a policy regarding stopping potential stolen vehicles. They consider it a high risk stop and the required actions of that policy explain why they did what they did.

Regarding the motorcycle versus the SUV as I said it may have com as a plate number with no description of the vehicle. Or if it did say out of state motorcycle the next paragraph explains why they may have thought something was still wrong. my point is your claim that police officer can't tell the difference between a motorcycle and an SUV is ridiculous.

She had also reported that her SUV had been stolen and apparently her follow-on report that it was recovered didn't make it through the system.

when you put those two things together you get a bit of a perfect storm that leads to a terrible incident.

if you look at the demeanor of the cops that were attending to the children it seems they were trying to help them. If I had to guess, I'd bet those cops were not particularly pleased that they had to do this as part of their procedures.

please excuse @Pirata he's just addicted to boots.

 

[HALL85]

i just think that most police forces will go out of their way to cover up/defend their officers in the face of blatant wrongdoing up until the point theyre exposed and my opinion indeed is meant to paint a broad stroke. i also have an opinion that police forces attract people who get off on power and its never been addressed. despite this police are absurdly necessary, high majority of the individual officers are heroes, and the current protests against them are going about it completely wrong. multiple things can be true. police are enforcing laws and general pop feels they are not being held to the same standards. youd expect a criminal to be a bad person, not a cop. this is where i think the unrest comes from. im just trying to focus on the underlying premise that causes such animosity. how many bad apples can start being called a bunch?

There are a lot of “thinks” and opinions there. Do you know many LEO’s and I mean really know them, and had conversations about policing, their experiences, training, public opinions?

 

[HALL85]

Me thinks BS has some underlying issues....

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

please excuse @Pirata he's just addicted to boots.

Bro you're a cuck.

 

[Pirata]

I pray for Jesse.

 

[Pirata]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/31/us/oklahoma-traffic-stop-arrest/index.html

You da man!

 

[SPK145]

I pray for Jesse.

LOL!!!

 

[Pirata]

There are a lot of “thinks” and opinions there. Do you know many LEO’s and I mean really know them, and had conversations about policing, their experiences, training, public opinions?

Likely not. most people get their knowledge of police from TV shows and Hollywood.

growing up with an NYPD detective father I can't tell you how many times he would cringe at how cops were portrayed

 

[donnie_baseball]

not to stray too far, i think this george floyd footage will show that being a policeman isnt always cut and dry, and people should stop being so quick to glorify criminals.

im preparing for this to blow up, city real estate prices to drop, and i buy a nice investment property for 10 yrs. because the jury should see enough doubt to not convict in this cass

New York City? Might want to look at what happened after the riots in Detroit in the 60s. Can still buy a whole city block there.

Also, think about how many hundreds of thousands of interactions cops have with the public each year, whether on the roadside, the street, or in homes. The amount of these interactions gone bad or people wrongfully injured and killed is a TINY percentage.

 

[Pirata]

Also, think about how many hundreds of thousands of interactions cops have with the public each year

It's more on the order of 50 Million.

https://www.bjs.gov/

 

[Seton75]

There are a lot of “thinks” and opinions there. Do you know many LEO’s and I mean really know them, and had conversations about policing, their experiences, training, public opinions?

I know a guy who was killed by cops at a small jail in fla. He was a bad kid, always in trouble. Cops beat him to death. He got caught driving dwi, got brought in, gave the cops shit, they gave him some real shit. His parents, given their sons troubled life and tgeir advanced age, decided to not press any charges, even tho another guy in the jail told them what happened.

To me, the worst thing about cops is them thinking they deserve a different reading of the law. A relative is married to a cop, a great guy imo. She got a ticket. He went to the arresting officer and gave him hell. Cause his wife was speeding. Imagine me doing that. Preferential treatment in the courts is common.

The whole gold shield thing is a terrible thing. Oh, you know a cop. No ticket for you. Who thinks up these things and who thinks that is OK. I scam my company out of 25k and get caught. I can't give anyone the gold cpa shield spk gave me and walk.

And people think cops won't cross the blue line. That seems like the biggest complaint I hear.

This idea that their are no good cops is wrong and foolish. But bad stuff happens. Lots of it.

And it is a common theme in the US for the past years. And its ugly. And most here seem to have no problem with it.

 

[donnie_baseball]

This idea that their are no good cops is wrong and foolish. But bad stuff happens. Lots of it.

And it is a common theme in the US for the past years. And its ugly. And most here seem to have no problem with it.

I have a problem with it, but I'm not under the delusion that it's common. I have friends and family who are cops, and they certainly enjoy the "perks" that come along with the job, but not one of them would hesitate to out a bad cop, because it reflects poorly on them. Again, these incidents are rare.

 

[HALL85]

This idea that their are no good cops is wrong and foolish. But bad stuff happens. Lots of it.

And it is a common theme in the US for the past years. And its ugly. And most here seem to have no problem with it.

I don't think anyone would dispute that stuff happens and that LEO's will tend to cover for each other. I also don't think anyone here has "no problem" with an LEO that abuses the power of his position. But don't you think that happens in most professions? Mistakes happen in hospitals and health care workers are going to cover for their peers; politicians cover for politicians; a lot of looking the other way with MSM news organizations and the sexual abuse that occurred. Blue line is just a less eloquent term for professional courtesy.

Policing is also a profession where you see a lot of bad stuff (much like the medical profession). You have to make quick decisions, life or death decisions, and you also get conditioned by some of the bad stuff that you see. I'm not making excuses, but I always try to think about walking in someone else's shoes before I judge. You would crap your pants if surgeons had to wear body-cams and I can only imagine how the SJW's would react. There are some LEO's that should not be in the profession...that's not debatable. But painting a broad brush in that every force operates in a highly protective, criminal way of the bad apples is not accurate IMO. I've been fortunate to know a number of LEO's that I would characterize as the good guys; thoughtful, hardworking, common sense, transparent about what is right and what is wrong with the profession and they will tell you that the majority of cops just want to do a good job and don't fit the stereotypes the MSM is quick to hang on them.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I know a guy who was killed by cops at a small jail in fla. He was a bad kid, always in trouble. Cops beat him to death. He got caught driving dwi, got brought in, gave the cops shit, they gave him some real shit. His parents, given their sons troubled life and tgeir advanced age, decided to not press any charges, even tho another guy in the jail told them what happened.

To me, the worst thing about cops is them thinking they deserve a different reading of the law. A relative is married to a cop, a great guy imo. She got a ticket. He went to the arresting officer and gave him hell. Cause his wife was speeding. Imagine me doing that. Preferential treatment in the courts is common.

The whole gold shield thing is a terrible thing. Oh, you know a cop. No ticket for you. Who thinks up these things and who thinks that is OK. I scam my company out of 25k and get caught. I can't give anyone the gold cpa shield spk gave me and walk.

And people think cops won't cross the blue line. That seems like the biggest complaint I hear.

This idea that their are no good cops is wrong and foolish. But bad stuff happens. Lots of it.

And it is a common theme in the US for the past years. And its ugly. And most here seem to have no problem with it.

How many people are crossing people in their own profession? You think one lawyer isn't talking to another lawyer about something they're doing that's not etchical? You think one CPA isn't talking to another CPA about something similar? I bet this is happening in a lot of professions, not just law enforcement. Why is this only a big deal for cops? Heck nobody crossed Harvey Weinstein. Nobody crossed Clinton when he was fooling around with Lewinsky. Unless of course you think nobody else knew. LOL

 

[Seton75]

I dont know what LEO means. But I agree. I bet most cops are good. And yes, all professions have bad seeds.

A lawyers job is to get his client the best deal. If you are guilty, he doesnt want to know. Clinton was a slob, and we all knew it. Funny you mention Clinton given the current pres but both are bad guys. There's no biz like show biz...

But, a cop killing a guy, that is a real beyond the pale thing, like an altar boy being raped by a priest. Some professions deserve a higher standard. I include teachers here too.

85 mentions snap decisions. A guy in the dark alley, waving something shiny...is it a gun, is it a knife, is it a wallet, this is your life...as a song goes, but none of these seem to have been that kind of thing, like Amadu Diallo. While I dont get him being shot 41 times, I do get making a mistake when the idea of him or me flashes in that split second, and I think a good man may make the wrong, tragic, decision sometimes. I will never have to make that decision. But, I dont see that in Floyd. If I see a friend or co-worker doing something overboard, I hope I react more forcefully than the other guys in the floyd incident. It was the last Seinfeld episode in technicolor.

I know one thing. If I run thru the streets of Newark, do something and get shot and killed, and a black guy tells the cops he thought I was suspicious, that guy is going to the jail. Cause I am not Travon Martin. We all understand that. And that is the problem.

 

[Pirata]

Law Enforcement Officer

 

[HALL85]

I dont know what LEO means. But I agree. I bet most cops are good. And yes, all professions have bad seeds.

A lawyers job is to get his client the best deal. If you are guilty, he doesnt want to know. Clinton was a slob, and we all knew it. Funny you mention Clinton given the current pres but both are bad guys. There's no biz like show biz...

But, a cop killing a guy, that is a real beyond the pale thing, like an altar boy being raped by a priest. Some professions deserve a higher standard. I include teachers here too.

85 mentions snap decisions. A guy in the dark alley, waving something shiny...is it a gun, is it a knife, is it a wallet, this is your life...as a song goes, but none of these seem to have been that kind of thing, like Amadu Diallo. While I dont get him being shot 41 times, I do get making a mistake when the idea of him or me flashes in that split second, and I think a good man may make the wrong, tragic, decision sometimes. I will never have to make that decision. But, I dont see that in Floyd. If I see a friend or co-worker doing something overboard, I hope I react more forcefully than the other guys in the floyd incident. It was the last Seinfeld episode in technicolor.

I know one thing. If I run thru the streets of Newark, do something and get shot and killed, and a black guy tells the cops he thought I was suspicious, that guy is going to the jail. Cause I am not Travon Martin. We all understand that. And that is the problem.

Calling out two specific cases does not equate to a systemic problem across 20,000 police forces. And if you want to point to statistics, that’s been regularly debunked here in each of these threads.

 

[Seton75]

So we have no problem. Terrific.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I dont know what LEO means. But I agree. I bet most cops are good. And yes, all professions have bad seeds.

A lawyers job is to get his client the best deal. If you are guilty, he doesnt want to know. Clinton was a slob, and we all knew it. Funny you mention Clinton given the current pres but both are bad guys. There's no biz like show biz...

But, a cop killing a guy, that is a real beyond the pale thing, like an altar boy being raped by a priest. Some professions deserve a higher standard. I include teachers here too.

85 mentions snap decisions. A guy in the dark alley, waving something shiny...is it a gun, is it a knife, is it a wallet, this is your life...as a song goes, but none of these seem to have been that kind of thing, like Amadu Diallo. While I dont get him being shot 41 times, I do get making a mistake when the idea of him or me flashes in that split second, and I think a good man may make the wrong, tragic, decision sometimes. I will never have to make that decision. But, I dont see that in Floyd. If I see a friend or co-worker doing something overboard, I hope I react more forcefully than the other guys in the floyd incident. It was the last Seinfeld episode in technicolor.

I know one thing. If I run thru the streets of Newark, do something and get shot and killed, and a black guy tells the cops he thought I was suspicious, that guy is going to the jail. Cause I am not Travon Martin. We all understand that. And that is the problem.

I am completely shocked by your response. Yeah the lawyers job is to get the best deal for his client, however there are lawyers who believe no witness, no case. I'm sure multiple people knew of these situations and never reported it. They didn't cross their lawyer friends. My point is yeah a lot of cops may not cross the blue line, but who in any line of business is crossing the line so easily? It's not as easy as people make it sound. I'm sure we have people in Congress who know of things going on who aren't crossing their friends. I'm sure we have lawyers, doctors (opiods), accountants, cooks, who all know others in their same line of work doing bad stuff and they're not crossing their friends. How many people know of their neighbors selling drugs? Every other profession can keep their eyes open and mouth shut, but cops are bad people for doing the same.

And by no means am I suggesting is it acceptable to keep your mouth shut when you see bad stuff going on, but let's stop depicting cops as bad people for something that happens in almost every profession.

 

[HALL85]

So we have no problem. Terrific.

I didn’t say that.....nice try.

 

[Seton75]

I didn’t say that.....nice try.

OK. So we do have a problem?

 

[HALL85]

OK. So we do have a problem?

There are problems but they are not systemic. I think I’ve made that point.

 

[doctorcb12]

In regards to the original post regarding the body footage I would like to clarify a few things. Foaming at the mouth is not at all an indication that someone is on drugs. Not to say that drugs cannot contribute to interfering with someones' ability to breathe, but anyone who is not breathing correctly(i.e stroke, seizure, brain bleed, asphyxiation etc) will foam at the mouth. It is extremely unlikely that drugs contributed to his death in the first place. Fentanyl/Marijuana make you more drowsy than agitated and the methamphetamine he had in his body was no where near enough to give you a heart attack. His death was caused by another human being literally choking him to death.

Even though he did resist arrest or was quite possibly having a mental breakdown, he was unarmed and neutralized. How does he get treated this way, but Dylan Roof who murdered several people in church get taken to Burger King. He did not deserve to die It amazes me that some officers lack the ability to deal with difficult people. However, part of that may be on the department for their lack of training. In the ER I deal with combative, agitated patients who sometimes come in with weapons every single day. Yet in my career not a single agitated patient has died or was injured from something our staff did. We are trained to deescalate thorough a variety of different methods and if we are not successful we proceed with tactics such as sedation, but we only give enough to make them calm and we also make sure that they are kept from harm. They could have waited until EMS arrived as they are trained to render sedation safely if it is needed.

This is not a rare occurrence. If this was rare African American parents for generations would not have to sit down and have a conversation with their sons and daughters about how to "survive" an encounter with an officer who is supposed to protect you.

Again I do believe that there are good cops, but there are just some jobs where everyone needs to do the right thing. Are you flying with an airline that has a few pilots that do not like to follow protocols. Are you going to a hospital that has just a few doctors who give the wrong medication doses occasionally? Everyone makes mistakes, but law enforcement needs to do better.