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Gibbs almost quit during season?

I don't believe this for a second. Gibbs is not a quitter. Its not in his nature.
 
Gibbs wouldn't have been a quitter had he left the team; he would have been a person walking away from an unpleasant situation. A quitter is someone who never finishes what he starts. That doesn't begin to describe Gibbs, (now a college graduate), nor does it describe Sina.
 
Lots of people face a shitty situation and deal with it. For lots of people that is called life.
 
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Gibbs is dealing with a shitty situation in the best way possible. He's getting out of it. Sina did the same thing. That's not being a quitter. It's being smart. What were they supposed to do, stay because victory-starved alumni and fans want to be entertained by them? This is about Gibbs' and Sina's lives. They should not stay in a shitty situation because outsiders want them to. Life should not be shitty for people who have a chance to make it better. Unfortunately this is America, where many people are expected to "tolerate" shittiness in their lives. More power to Gibbs and Sina for not accepting that. They had the ability to move on, and did. Too many people in this country don't have that type of opportunity.
 
Gibbs is dealing with a shitty situation in the best way possible. He's getting out of it. Sina did the same thing. That's not being a quitter. It's being smart. What were they supposed to do, stay because victory-starved alumni and fans want to be entertained by them? This is about Gibbs' and Sina's lives. They should not stay in a shitty situation because outsiders want them to. Life should not be shitty for people who have a chance to make it better. Unfortunately this is America, where many people are expected to "tolerate" shittiness in their lives. More power to Gibbs and Sina for not accepting that. They had the ability to move on, and did. Too many people in this country don't have that type of opportunity.

I can't knock Gibbs for leaving. It's a bad situation and he had a way out where he could play immediately at a better program. If he truly strung the program along telling them that he'd be back, well then that is not as commendable, but from everything being said outside of this board it was always likely this was going to be his decision.

I hope he ends up at Notre Dame, as much as it pains me to say that. Being a part of that alumni network will serve him well in the future.
 
Not to turn this political- but nowhere aside from America do people have the opportunity they have here. If you're a failure or loser in America it's because you wanted to be.
 
I told you it was a stealth move and a politically correct one at that, but no one (most anyway) believed me.

Not to turn this political- but nowhere aside from America do people have the opportunity they have here. If you're a failure or loser in America it's because you wanted to be.

If you believe everyone who is a failure is one because they don't want to be a success, you are frankly out of your mind. America may give us the best chance to excel, but many try and fail and live out their lives with that failure, dealing with it as best they can. And let's not act like we are pure meritocracy either. Plenty besides talent leads to the success of many.
 
I did much better in my life after I quit a terrible situation that was holding me back. Had I not quit I would still be eating sh** and not had the success I had. These remarks about quitting are pathetic considering the situation. When your boss is horrible in every way it's best to move on.
 
Since someone wants to make it politcal, let's do so. Everyone is America is not born with equal opportunity. The biggest issue facing our country isn't gay marriage, gun rights, abortion, sealing the borders, or any of the other talking points created by politicians in an attempt to win votes. It's generational poverty, and how our supposedly great nation allows a segment of our population to do without merley because they born that way.

Some people look at what's going on in Baltimore and see it as unruly, lazy black people being unappreciative of the great opportunities they are given in the land of plenty. People who truly understand the situation see poor people rightfully voicing their displeasure over the unfair hand they've been dealt. While the death of an African American may have ignited the rage, that's not why people are rioting and stealing things. They're doing it because they don't know about anything but being poor. Their grandparents were poor, their parents were poor, and now they are poor, and with little chance for a better life. Some people look at what's going in Baltimore as a "black" problem. The truth of the matter is that it's about poor people who just happen to be black. Worst of all, many people who have a better life are blaming these people for something that is not their fault.

I teach at a middle school in a rural, mostly white community in the sout. The poverty level in the communtiy is more than 35 percent. While we'd like to think that education the children will help fix the problem for future generations, reality tells us that's just a pipe dream. I have students who live under truly deplorable conditions. When you have to worry about where you'll be sleeping at night or where your next meal will come from, balancing equations or learning to read or write isn't all that important. For many of these kids, their life is about survival. Theseb kids have been poor every single day of their lives, and in the future will either continue being poor or wind up being incarcerated. Yet the haves in our society want to think that these people want to live this way. They want to beleive that the poor and the homeless are the blame for their plight because they're unappreciative of our "great" country. Great country, my butt. A great country doesn't allow a segment of its population to live in poverty just because they were born that way. And great people don't pretend it's not their problem, when in fact this problem belongs to all of us. Ask yourselves this: what are YOU doing about this problem? Are you making our elected officials address this problem, or are you burying your head in the sand like so many people do?

Unfortunately, most people will ignore this problem come election time. They'll cast their votes according to how they feel about gay marriage, guns, abortion, border control, or some other non-important issue. The last thing on their mind will be generational poverty, which is the only issue that truly matters. They'll ignore the issue, and then express outrage the next time the poor and oppressed show their rage by rioting. Worse yet, they'll blame the poor people for being angry. History repeats, and we never learn from it.
 
Unfair hand they were dealt? Life isn't fair - name one self made success that used the victim card as a crutch. Everybody deals with hardships, no matter what kind of situation one was born into. Of course in America people grow up with different opportunities and conditions- and it truly is a shame how some live. America is far from a perfect Utopian system- but which global economy is a better alternative? Do you honestly believe those living in poverty elsewhere have it better? A better support system? Better infrastructure? More opportunities?
 
I have a very successful and wealthy friend, who often goes into tirades against people who are less fortunate. Sometimes I'll remind him that he took over his father's business, and while he did indeed make it more successful, I'll point out the difference between he and the others he likes to scold: He was born with capital.

But then one day I thought more about this, that those of us with good parents and mentors that provided us with all the levels of support we needed to grow up true and strong, we're also ones that are "born with capital." A more substantive and lasting capital than mere economic wealth.

That human capital which we were lucky enough to receive from others has to be put into the equation when we judge others. Do we know how much they got? Was it negative or positive? Then it all becomes muddy.
 
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boatshu, Just because some other countries do a poor job regarding poor people is no excuse for America doing a poor job with hers. Some people like to wave the flag and say we're the greatest country in the world, but to many people who live here that's just not true. People who are in poverty tend to be born that way, and for them there's little chance of escaping those conditions. Again, I work kids in this situation everyday. They're asked to start their school day by pledging allegiance to the flag of a country that doesn't care about them; in reality, they should be burning that flag down because it represents nothing of real value to them. People that don't undestand poverty say these people need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. That's kind of hard to do when they don't have any bootstraps to grab.

Suggestion: Why not take some time to research generational poverty? It's never to late to learn something, and it might help you to better understand the plight of people who weren't born with the same advantages some of us were born with. Then again, maybe you just don't care. A lot of people in America could care less about those less fortuante, just as long as they get theirs. That's one reason why poverty will never get fixed. Another reason is that it would likely be a 100 year process, at minimum. Since politicans only care about what gets accomplished during their term, they have no desire to work on something that won't take affect until after they're dead. So they'll just keep diverting people with non-critical talking points in order to secure their votes.
 
Unfair hand they were dealt? Life isn't fair - name one self made success that used the victim card as a crutch. Everybody deals with hardships, no matter what kind of situation one was born into. Of course in America people grow up with different opportunities and conditions- and it truly is a shame how some live. America is far from a perfect Utopian system- but which global economy is a better alternative? Do you honestly believe those living in poverty elsewhere have it better? A better support system? Better infrastructure? More opportunities?
This is heading to a Life off the Ship thread, but FWIW, but what you are both saying has merit IMO. We have always had poverty and the poor as a country and society in general and there will always be. It's one thing thought, to have a safety net to protect people when they are in need...it's another to provide ongoing assistance and incentives that are designed to keep them in poverty. People don't choose to be poor, but people also need a PURPOSE. IMO opinion, our dependence on government assistance programs acts as a demotivator.

This shouldn't be a black issue, but the media keeps making it one and unfortunately, the rioting has been mostly in the black communities, and it's always reported with only one point of view. We also see this reporting of hopelessness and oppression in the black community. But we have a mayor, police chief, attorney general and POTUS who are all black. The system does not prevent black America from rising up into positions of authority, but the message continues to harp on that without any counter point that is directly factual.
 
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Instead of turning this thread into a political debate, can we go back to turning it into a platform to express how much Willard sucks? Can we get back to basics? Not enough Fire Willard/Willard Sucks comments. This board is getting semi readable and i dont like it. Back to the flames. He sucks! Hes terrible! Hes dog doo!
 
Instead of turning this thread into a political debate, can we go back to turning it into a platform to express how much Willard sucks? Can we get back to basics? Not enough Fire Willard/Willard Sucks comments. This board is getting semi readable and i dont like it. Back to the flames. He sucks! Hes terrible! Hes dog doo!

he really is terrible. let's get away from the big issues for a second: can't recruit, can't manage a locker room/control talented players with egos, etc.

One thing he should absolutely be able to apply to the games night in & out is X's & O's. Some facets of this can be run well regardless of the talent. We have a guy who has grown up around basketball and excellent coaches his whole life. he's been a head coach for like 8 years now right? Why has he not put a normal offense in like every other coach seems to? Why does he choose to literally have ZERO in-bounds plays? Why do we barely ever run players through screens to get open 3's? Why does he literally say nothing to his team for minutes at a time when they're on the court? These are all signs of a terrible coach who needs to be fired.

Willard needs to go, and go now. I don't care that the normal window for such an action has passed. The message still needs to made clear all the time until he is let go. And I know I'm not alone in saying that the program will get zero support from me, in any capacity, until he is gone.
 
now thats what im talking about!! Lets not forget he rewrote the book of excuses, its actually now a 10 part series!
 
Gibbs is dealing with a shitty situation in the best way possible. He's getting out of it. Sina did the same thing. That's not being a quitter. It's being smart. What were they supposed to do, stay because victory-starved alumni and fans want to be entertained by them? This is about Gibbs' and Sina's lives. They should not stay in a shitty situation because outsiders want them to. Life should not be shitty for people who have a chance to make it better. Unfortunately this is America, where many people are expected to "tolerate" shittiness in their lives. More power to Gibbs and Sina for not accepting that. They had the ability to move on, and did. Too many people in this country don't have that type of opportunity.

That's a kick-ass good post...I agree on all counts.
 
Since someone wants to make it politcal, let's do so. Everyone is America is not born with equal opportunity. The biggest issue facing our country isn't gay marriage, gun rights, abortion, sealing the borders, or any of the other talking points created by politicians in an attempt to win votes. It's generational poverty, and how our supposedly great nation allows a segment of our population to do without merley because they born that way.

Some people look at what's going on in Baltimore and see it as unruly, lazy black people being unappreciative of the great opportunities they are given in the land of plenty. People who truly understand the situation see poor people rightfully voicing their displeasure over the unfair hand they've been dealt. While the death of an African American may have ignited the rage, that's not why people are rioting and stealing things. They're doing it because they don't know about anything but being poor. Their grandparents were poor, their parents were poor, and now they are poor, and with little chance for a better life. Some people look at what's going in Baltimore as a "black" problem. The truth of the matter is that it's about poor people who just happen to be black. Worst of all, many people who have a better life are blaming these people for something that is not their fault.

I teach at a middle school in a rural, mostly white community in the sout. The poverty level in the communtiy is more than 35 percent. While we'd like to think that education the children will help fix the problem for future generations, reality tells us that's just a pipe dream. I have students who live under truly deplorable conditions. When you have to worry about where you'll be sleeping at night or where your next meal will come from, balancing equations or learning to read or write isn't all that important. For many of these kids, their life is about survival. Theseb kids have been poor every single day of their lives, and in the future will either continue being poor or wind up being incarcerated. Yet the haves in our society want to think that these people want to live this way. They want to beleive that the poor and the homeless are the blame for their plight because they're unappreciative of our "great" country. Great country, my butt. A great country doesn't allow a segment of its population to live in poverty just because they were born that way. And great people don't pretend it's not their problem, when in fact this problem belongs to all of us. Ask yourselves this: what are YOU doing about this problem? Are you making our elected officials address this problem, or are you burying your head in the sand like so many people do?

Unfortunately, most people will ignore this problem come election time. They'll cast their votes according to how they feel about gay marriage, guns, abortion, border control, or some other non-important issue. The last thing on their mind will be generational poverty, which is the only issue that truly matters. They'll ignore the issue, and then express outrage the next time the poor and oppressed show their rage by rioting. Worse yet, they'll blame the poor people for being angry. History repeats, and we never learn from it.

Beautifully stated. Bravo, sir. Couldn't agree more/
 
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