Stop making excuses for Sha. The seat is beginning to warm. This is entirely on him. An NIT is not something to be proud of for a big east school.
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HIghly doubt it. We are giving.him 5-6 years minimum. Willards teams sucked till his 6th year.
Willard was low paid and a relative nobody in the grand scheme of ncaa coaches. Sha was a brand name going to his alma mater in his prime coaching years. And he has embarrassed us
He won't be on the hot seat. If he leaves, it'll be on his own. But anyone without bias can tell he is doing a poor job.
Felt is too pathetic to put him on the hot seat, but half the board sleeps easy at night being an NIT team
Remember, Seton Hall is an old boys club. University leadership has never cared whether the basketball program is good or not. If it happens to be good, it's just another tool they can use to milk the same club for more money. If it's not, they don't care and the same gullible people will keep giving them money. They win either way.
Regarding the fans, yes, too many are happy with marginal success. No drive to strive higher.
Maybe not on hot seat but he has lost the right to run the program carte blanche
I thought people said Whalen was the only one who does anything and the guy who knows how to design offensive sets
A homeless person wouldn’t take my season tickets right now
He designed incredible offensive sets at St. Peter’s on the elite 8 run. Idk where they’ve gone
You get served humble pie at this level. Sha’s getting it handed to him.
Silly post…not on a hot seat…guy had 13 BE wins last year.
Certainly deserves a lot of criticism for the teams play but the only way he leaves in the next 5-7 years is if he decides to leave.
Certainly deserves a lot of criticism for the teams play but the only way he leaves in the next 5-7 years is if he decides to leave.
This better not be the standard for the next 5-7 years. Sorry. Guy has not gotten it done.
He is leading us into being irrelevant and he obviously cannot recruit players and his eye for talent is not as strong as we were led to believe
The seat isn’t warm but this pretty bad. Good luck trying to get NIL donations when it looks like this.
Maybe we can get Dan Hurley after he gets fired for losing 3 games, this is a crazy thread. Same people who thought 100% the players should be paid are complaining. Sha will figure it out, going to be ugly for awhile. Game will never be the same, I saw the handwriting on the wall last year and did not renew my seat after 40 plus years. Basketball is about chemistry, anyone who ever played knows that. Lots of teams struggling in the big east and elsewhere simply because no one has any chemistry. In general teams who have the most returning players will do better than teams who lost most of their players. There will be exceptions, talk to me in January. We are in a particularly bad spot because we are trying to play a bunch of guys. More guys equals harder chemistry. We need to play lots of guys, it's our only chance to be successful in my opinion. Fans are going to have to suck it up and be patient. If you cannot be patient become a St. Johns fan. I still believe the right coach is already in place. I bet this is a different team by mid January, think we have some good players.
Solid, well thought out post. Every so often SHU has to reset. It happened after Richie Regan stepped down, after Raf, after PJ, after Gonzo. In the past SHU has been able to build it back up.
Look has the home grown hero…but right now that seat has to be boiling.
You’ve just got to be better than this….ESPECIALLY when you are asking for people to pay their hard earned money for YOUR roster.
Then do a better job of making that roster!!!!!!
Player development is a huge issue here. As far as I can tell, almost every single player on this team is playing worse than they were last year.
Now you can talk about change in competition, but Prince is way worse. Garwey is worse. Middleton is worse- those guys are from the same level of competition. Sha is not anywhere close to getting anything from these guys?
Who is playing better than they were last season who actually played? I don't think anyone and that is a major problem. Either the coaching plilosophy does not align with the players, or the talen evaluation was a huge problem. I think its both, but it falls directly at Sha's feet.
I would really love to know what happened with Zion Harmon and how he can't get on the court on this talent deprived team but our coach give us nothing on this situation.
Now you can talk about change in competition, but Prince is way worse. Garwey is worse. Middleton is worse- those guys are from the same level of competition. Sha is not anywhere close to getting anything from these guys?
Who is playing better than they were last season who actually played? I don't think anyone and that is a major problem. Either the coaching plilosophy does not align with the players, or the talen evaluation was a huge problem. I think its both, but it falls directly at Sha's feet.
I would really love to know what happened with Zion Harmon and how he can't get on the court on this talent deprived team but our coach give us nothing on this situation.
How about Sha having his agent use Louisville (I don’t believe he was ever an actual candidate) to strong arm the school into giving him more money which he could have used to get better players on this roster?
Sha is a good in-game defensive coach who I believe generally does a good job motivating players and has a ton of passion for the school. I’m not convinced he’s particularly smart overall and there is limited sophistication in how he evaluates and develops - particularly on the offensive end.
Sha is a good in-game defensive coach who I believe generally does a good job motivating players and has a ton of passion for the school. I’m not convinced he’s particularly smart overall and there is limited sophistication in how he evaluates and develops - particularly on the offensive end.
nil will change the landscape. non fb leagues are at great risk and many schools are not going to make it. our chances? that has nothing to do with yesterday and everyting to do with our
future. which is extremely questionable
future. which is extremely questionable
The guy had 13 BE wins last year in his 2nd yr here. We got screwed for the ncaa tournament. Since year 3 is a mess hes leadimg us.towards being irrelevent? Im as sick over.this team as anyone.but if he did this 3 years in a row then we can say that. Ask urself whos our other option. The next up and coming maac.coach? A guy who will use us a s a stepping stone? What coach wants to go to a team w limited NIL anyway unless he has to? Do u remember willards final recruiting class? It was a total disaster. A guy whos been here.for 12 years shouldnt have a recruiting class like that. Look at RU and pikiell. Couldnt.do much in his 15.yrs till the NIL money came. Did he become.such a great coach and evaluator.of talent overnight?
Pike turned that program around way before the NIL money came.
A coach using us as a stepping stone would be much better than this.
Willard also had a few great recruiting classes so he was definitely allowed to have bad ones.
Year 3 should be progress- it needs to be. We all thought this year we would be a borderline tournament team- Sha talked about the collective talent we had.
We did not think we would be one of the bottom 10 teams in NCAA basketball offensively and lose to actually the worst team. Thank God we don’t play any D2 teams coming up.
The NIL is a cope only for so long. While we don’t have a ton of money, I promise you that every team with our same level of NIL is doing substantially better than us this year by a mile.
For whatever it's worth, I think Holloway is a good coach that had what appears to be a really bad recruiting year. I think the team is going to get better, because Holloway teams always get better, but I not sure there is an Xs and Os solution for the lack of offensive firepower.
Ultimately, the head coach gets credit for the team's successes and bears the brunt of the criticism for their failures. That's the job. I do think that Seton Hall's slow start reacting to the new NIL world order may have made his job harder this past off-season.
The de facto free agency created by unrestricted, transfers and NIL are going to be very difficult for small private schools to navigate. While there's nothing concrete I can point to support it, I suspect that that isn't an accident. It seems a little too convenient that the new rules favored the "have" schools over the "have not" schools. Connecticut, though, obviously, better positioned than Seton Hall, is struggling to adjust as well. The fact that the athletic department at Connecticut adjusted relatively quickly gave Hurley an advantage.
Tough to be too critical, given all that, about what appears to be some misses in the NIL recruiting class. It is a brave New World in which coaches need to make decisions on the fly and don't have the same time they've had in the past to build relationships and fully understand incoming players. So far, Hurley has been doing a great job in the portal, but it looks like he may have vastly over rated Aidan Mahaney's ability to adapt to high major basketball. Recruiting/transfer misses happen. I think Holloway gets a pass if this year's class ends up under performing. If the same thing happens again next year, then there's a reason to question whether he can operate in the new environment.
FWIW
Ultimately, the head coach gets credit for the team's successes and bears the brunt of the criticism for their failures. That's the job. I do think that Seton Hall's slow start reacting to the new NIL world order may have made his job harder this past off-season.
The de facto free agency created by unrestricted, transfers and NIL are going to be very difficult for small private schools to navigate. While there's nothing concrete I can point to support it, I suspect that that isn't an accident. It seems a little too convenient that the new rules favored the "have" schools over the "have not" schools. Connecticut, though, obviously, better positioned than Seton Hall, is struggling to adjust as well. The fact that the athletic department at Connecticut adjusted relatively quickly gave Hurley an advantage.
Tough to be too critical, given all that, about what appears to be some misses in the NIL recruiting class. It is a brave New World in which coaches need to make decisions on the fly and don't have the same time they've had in the past to build relationships and fully understand incoming players. So far, Hurley has been doing a great job in the portal, but it looks like he may have vastly over rated Aidan Mahaney's ability to adapt to high major basketball. Recruiting/transfer misses happen. I think Holloway gets a pass if this year's class ends up under performing. If the same thing happens again next year, then there's a reason to question whether he can operate in the new environment.
FWIW
How do we know he made offers to better players and they chose better $ elsewhere time and time again
Sha didn’t forget how to coach most of the players on team belong in division 3.Never saw such a collection of CYO shooters on a division 1 team.Sha has to recruit people who at least average division 1 shooters
Well right now he has the worst team in the BE by any measure. A team he put together with a better budget that can’t even beat CAA teams. Not good.
Sha isn’t anywhere close to the “hot seat”. I don’t get that sentiment at all.
here's a great 3rd party unbiased take.
i think all the fans going haywire over Holloway are secretly starting to realize this might be it for seton hall. for serious.
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