Hurley Re-ups at Buffalo

[SHUSource]

The University at Buffalo has reached an agreement in principle to
renegotiate the contract of Bobby Hurley and make him the highest-paid
men's basketball coach in the Mid-American Conference, sources have told
The News.

UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract

 

[HALL85]

Good news for Bobby...and SHU. Would have hate to see Bambie getting beat by Hurley twice a year.

 

[sportsfantatic44]

Good. Now if Danny stays at Rhode Island next season then we can be in business in '16-17.

 

[knights1212]

I am happy for the Buffalo fans.

 

[hallgrad80]

Nothing like the threat of a good coach leaving to wind up with a better contract.

 

[hbkmyr]

Smart move. Though I don;t think this is good news if your hoping he comes to SHU. He's not turning down DePaul and returning to Buffalo to hone his craft to take a job like Seton Hall. This tells me he has his eyes on a bigger prize.

 

[sportsfantatic44]

The only way you are getting a Hurley is if you overpay for one of them to come to Seton Hall. Seton Hall is going to be desperate barring Willard miraculously turning it around next season (I would put my money against that happening). The question will be in '16-17 is how committed financially is the administration to the men's basketball program. I don't know the answer.

 

[Hall91]

good news. Looks like there will be a big buy out that SHU would need to deal with at some point.

 

[boatshu]

How committed is the admin to the basketball program? Whether you want to accept it or not- the answer is crystal clear. Just a tough pill to swallow.

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

Not sure if this means he'd be available after next season or not, but at least he's not going to another BE team, not this year anyways.

 

[dcPirate]

Or maybe he just doesn't like the Depaul opportunity and he's used it to get some more coin from Buffalo as all guys do off NCAA tourney runs at these lower schools. Just buys him some time to find an opportunity he likes.

 

[cernjSHU]

Originally posted by hbkmyr:
Smart move. Though I don;t think this is good news if your hoping he comes to SHU. He's not turning down DePaul and returning to Buffalo to hone his craft to take a job like Seton Hall. This tells me he has his eyes on a bigger prize.

I disagree with you. Hurley's connections are East Coast. Seton Hall is a better job than DePaul especially for a Hurley. There are only a finite amount of jobs in the major conferences. Even a smaller yet percentage of jobs that will have openings in the next couple of years. Plus you can eliminate him from the elite teams such as Duke, Kentucky, NC. Please tell us where is this plethora of bigger jobs may be?

This post was edited on 3/25 11:38 AM by cernjSHU

 

[hbkmyr]

That may be true, but what exactly make SHU a better opportunity than DePaul should a job become available next year. I guess you could say proximity to family, but Bobby has never had a tendency to want to stay "home." If he passed on DePaul this year, I think he would pass on SHU as well.

 

[jcalz88]

he has not signed with Buffalo he will be interviewing for Depaul

 

[sportsfantatic44]

I think Indiana would be the BIG job to be open in '16-17 if Crean flames out in the 1st round of tourney again.

 

[cernjSHU]

Originally posted by sportsfantatic44:
I think Indiana would be the BIG job to be open in '16-17 if Crean flames out in the 1st round of tourney again.

I would think Archie Miller has the inside track at the job at Indiana. Indiana does not reach down and pluck a coach that is at Buffalo. I do not think elite progams will go after Hurley. There are too many far more proven and desirable coaches, i.e. Miller, Gregg Marshall, Shaka Smart etc. There is a hierarchy. When was the last time a blue blood school reached down below another major conference school to pluck a coach?

 

[anon_x0d8d0dquuo4t]

Depaul would be rolling the dice. Bobby's been exposed to the business of big time basketball, but doesn't mean he can take that next step right now. Maybe he can, but we won't know until he's given the opportunity. Took TA a little time to get seasoned. And he recruited for a lot of years on the big stage. No such thing as a sure thing. But sometimes rolling the dice is necessary.

 

[Seton75]

DP is, sadly, no more of a gamble that we are. I do agree that an Indiana wont be going after a guy with Dan or Bobby's record. They will go after Bobby after he succeeds at his next stop, which makes this choice critical for him. Dan has the chance to succeed well enough at URI over time to make the step from there. Are we really enough of an upgrade from URI to entice Danny to bet his future on us? For this reason, I have always thought targeting Bobby made the most sense.

 

[dcPirate]

Originally posted by Seton75:

DP is, sadly, no more of a gamble that we are. I do agree that an Indiana wont be going after a guy with Dan or Bobby's record. They will go after Bobby after he succeeds at his next stop, which makes this choice critical for him. Dan has the chance to succeed well enough at URI over time to make the step from there. Are we really enough of an upgrade from URI to entice Danny to bet his future on us? For this reason, I have always thought targeting Bobby made the most sense.

Exactly, The Hall is slipping deeper and deeper into obscurity right now. At 12-2 and ranked #19 it appeared the corner was turned and a return to establishing some recognition, then the coach at The Hall does what he has consistently done, been at the helm during a free-fall 2nd half. Its really why I wish the BOR had a backbone and the courage to pull the trigger now and bring someone in who has a chance to take this talented group (plus a couple pieces) to where they should be and start building something once again.

 

[Section112]

One of the biggest benefits we offer the Hurley's is NJ where there family is and a recruiting area they are familiar with. That is a big potential benefit of SHU offering the Hurleys. I do think lots of coaches will thumb their nose at this job and for good reason but I don't prescribe to the fact that this is a bad job. We are in a better conference, we have a real AD and we pay well. There is a real opportunity for someone to take the job and step up if its offered which it appears is not the case.

 

[hbkmyr]

I'm not sold on the whole idea that you have to coach in an area where you've been to have success. If you can recruit, it doesn't matter where the school is located, players will play for a coach they want to play for, especially in this day and age. Wojo was born in Maryland and played and coached at Duke. He had no connection to Wisconsin but managed to land a highly-ranked recruiting class. Sean Miller didn't play or coach anywhere west of Ohio before he went to Arizona. In reverse, what relation did Steve Lavin have to NYC or the east coast when he first came to St. Johns? He still landed a top 10 class in his first year.

I'm not saying Depaul is on the level of any of those schools. But, if Bobby Hurley could convince a kid to play for him at SHU, I think he could convince that same kid to play for him at DePaul. How many of these local kids are staying home for college anyway?

 

[MBF72]

He must have felt he was not ready for the big time. Reports are he re signed for $550, 000, and would have gotten at least twice that at DePaul. Problem at mid major level is meteoric ups and downs from year to year. Teams can win 20 one year; 6 a year or two later.

 

[TheBluePirate]

Originally posted by hbkmyr:
I'm not sold on the whole idea that you have to coach in an area where you've been to have success. If you can recruit, it doesn't matter where the school is located, players will play for a coach they want to play for, especially in this day and age. Wojo was born in Maryland and played and coached at Duke. He had no connection to Wisconsin but managed to land a highly-ranked recruiting class. Sean Miller didn't play or coach anywhere west of Ohio before he went to Arizona. In reverse, what relation did Steve Lavin have to NYC or the east coast when he first came to St. Johns? He still landed a top 10 class in his first year.

I'm not saying Depaul is on the level of any of those schools. But, if Bobby Hurley could convince a kid to play for him at SHU, I think he could convince that same kid to play for him at DePaul. How many of these local kids are staying home for college anyway?

Key point in there: if you can recruit, it doesn't matter where the school is located. I think it only matters in the sense that you have to really want to be there (wherever there is).

Consider Fran swearing-violent-man McCaffrey. He thought he wanted to be in Iowa. Frankly it was his *wife* who was pining for Iowa. And yes, he can recruit, but his disdain for Iowa has begun to creep into his comments to reporters. He'll leave.

Consider Tony awesome-super-hero Bozzella. He loves Seton Hall and NJ in all truth. And yes, he can definitely recruit. These two things reinforce one another.

So, coming back to Bobby Hurley, although Sal insider-man-extraordinaire says BH is never coming, heck, if he can recruit, if he wants to be in Jersey, and if he wants to be at Seton Hall, "bazinga".

I think *wanting to be here* and "really good at recruiting* are incredibly important qualities to see in a coach. I'm thinking you have to go back to PJ and then back into the mists of time to identify a Seton Hall coach who has both of these qualities. The Clapper does not have these qualities - at - all.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

Why would Bobby Hurley ever want to come to Seton Hall? Surely you jest?

 

[AFRPIRATE]

$everal rea$ons.

 

[Section112]

When the last coaching search was done Dean Hobbs spoke to Bob Hurley Sr. about it. His advice was for a Seton Hall to get a good coach on the way up who was hungry. He said an established coach would most likely not come here nor could we afford him. That was sound advice at the time. The two Hurley brothers fit that description to the T and you never know - one of their wives may want to desperately come back to NJ where their family resides. It was a very snowy winter in Buffalo this year if you recall...

 

[Muggsy Blue]

It was very snowy in NJ also. Bobby will have bigger fish to fry. Doubtful Seton Hall is in his vision.

 

[Haas01562]

I expect to get grilled here but curious on takes:

One name I never hear in these discussions is Kevin Boyle. Would this premier HS Coach ever consider coming back to NJ and developing a program as he's done in HS many times?

Let the beatings begin...

 

[HALL28]

Originally posted by Haas01562:
I expect to get grilled here but curious on takes:

One name I never hear in these discussions is Kevin Boyle. Would this premier HS Coach ever consider coming back to NJ and developing a program as he's done in HS many times?

Let the beatings begin...

Interesting name. I don't think it's ridiculous at all. But I know nothing about Boyle beyond what is public. I'm sure many of the posters here could speak to that.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

Iona to the high school ranks? That surely is looking up.

 

[Haas01562]

Bobby Hurley's pre HC resume featured horse racing and being his brothers assistant coach at Wagner for a couple years.

I'd take Boyles resume over that (see attached link)
This post was edited on 3/26 2:03 PM by Haas01562

http://mvasports.com/staff/kevin-boyle/

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by Muggsy Blue:
It was very snowy in NJ also. Bobby will have bigger fish to fry. Doubtful Seton Hall is in his vision.

Right. They had seven feet around Thanksgiving, and we had 7" once.

If he'd consider DePaul, he'd consider SHU.

 

[pmulcahy96]

It is a 100% fact both Hurley's would be interested in Seton Hall. Being interested doesn't guarantee they'd accept the job automatically. The question at hand is what does Seton Hall have to offer? I do not know where some people are getting there facts from saying they are not interested because that is simply not true.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

But he didn't consider DePaul. Guess it was the snow, lol.

 

[SPK145]

Originally posted by Haas01562:

One name I never hear in these discussions is Kevin Boyle. Would this premier HS Coach ever consider coming back to NJ and developing a program as he's done in HS many times?

He'd be here quicker than another Whitehead turnover.

An outside the box hire but he can coach and recruit.

 

[Woah Bundy]

Hurley is on Arizona St.'s list and has spoken to them according to reports.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Originally posted by Woah Bundy:
Hurley is on Arizona St.'s list and has spoken to them according to reports.

Not sure fans would buy into this but ASU has the finances and location to make this happen.....however, this is one of the deeper conferences in terms of coaching talent but he would have ability to recruit pretty much anyone you want to ASU.

Banging heads with Sean Miller and Book Richardson doesn't sound like fun if you are at Arizona State, depends on the numbers they toss around. Think he can get the same money from an Eastern School in another year, so I don't see him taking ASU. If he's overwhelmed financially (which ASU can do but may decide not to), he could be headed to Tempe.