Fordham's student Republican club dis-invited Ann Coulter from a speaking invitation after the Fordham president basically scolded them for inviting her. He said there were plenty of Conservative spokespeople besides Coulter to choose from. He singled her out. If any SHU student group invited Ann Coulter to speak.... would you support the decision to invite her?
If Ann Coulter were invited to speak at SHU?
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I would support the decision to invite her, just as I have supported the decision to invite a lot of speakers I don't agree with.
Although, I would draw the line at paying Snooki $32k to talk about drunken sexcapades.
Although, I would draw the line at paying Snooki $32k to talk about drunken sexcapades.
The President of Fordham is right in his beliefs that there are plenty of conservative speakers that could have been invited besides Ann Coulter. As much as she is distasteful and quite frankly a mental midget, the President should not have told the young Republicans to disinvited her. The college experience is to share and debate different view points. There could have been great discussions in class based upon her speech.
Agree with 6711. The best forum for an Ann Coulter is to invite her and invite someone else with a differing viewpoint and have them debate.
I agree with both cern & 6711. The purpose of a University is to encourage thought & discussion. You do not have to agree with the opinions expressed. I recall a number of years ago SHU would not let Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor speak at Seton Hall Law School for Law Day ceremonies. I think the school lost alot of respect when they made that decision. To the credit of the student organization they rented an off campus facility to allow her to speak.
TK
TK
Seton Hall has been guilty of this in the past as well. While I was a student, the archbishop would ban certain speakers, sometimes as late as the day of the event. Overall, though, I think Seton Hall has been good about allowing a variety of speakers from all different backgrounds come on campus.
Just adding to my previous post Seton Hall also would not let Gov Christine Whitman speak at the Law school in a different year's Law day ceremony. Same result she spoke off campus. In neither case was their topics to have anything to do with abortion. To me it is mind boggling that a Law School would not be allowed to have a sitting Supreme Court Justice nor a sitting Governor address their student body. (and just for the record it was not the Law School Deans that made these decisions but higher ups from the University power structure).
Tom K
Tom K
A UN ambassdor from communist Cuba recently spoke at SHU.
Everybody here I'm sure remembers communism, the ideology that has resulted in at least 60 million deaths over the past 100 years, leaving Nazis a distant second in the body count.
And I hope everybody knows about the Cuban government. That's the group that has spent 50 years spreading war, misery and death throughout Africa and Latin America.
That's the country that has trained and supplied the Marxist FARC in Columbia. The FARC are major drug trafficers and their war that has been going for 30 years has left at least 40,000 dead.
Cuba also has a governement allied with every enemy of the United States.
So I guess you can speak at SHU depending on who you murder?
BTW, the cardinal of Cuba has never spoken out against the regime. He has said nothing and done nothing to end the repression.
Do I beieve the communist should be allowed to speak at SHU? I believe in reciprocity. When Americans are allowed to freely speak to audiences in Cuba, then they can come here.
Here's a link to the video:
http://blogs.shu.edu/diplomacy/2013/03/video-of-the-cuban-ambassador-discussing-the-us-embargo/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
This post was edited on 7/29 5:35 PM by 400SOAVE
Everybody here I'm sure remembers communism, the ideology that has resulted in at least 60 million deaths over the past 100 years, leaving Nazis a distant second in the body count.
And I hope everybody knows about the Cuban government. That's the group that has spent 50 years spreading war, misery and death throughout Africa and Latin America.
That's the country that has trained and supplied the Marxist FARC in Columbia. The FARC are major drug trafficers and their war that has been going for 30 years has left at least 40,000 dead.
Cuba also has a governement allied with every enemy of the United States.
So I guess you can speak at SHU depending on who you murder?
BTW, the cardinal of Cuba has never spoken out against the regime. He has said nothing and done nothing to end the repression.
Do I beieve the communist should be allowed to speak at SHU? I believe in reciprocity. When Americans are allowed to freely speak to audiences in Cuba, then they can come here.
Here's a link to the video:
http://blogs.shu.edu/diplomacy/2013/03/video-of-the-cuban-ambassador-discussing-the-us-embargo/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
This post was edited on 7/29 5:35 PM by 400SOAVE
Another black eye for the Hall...I would let her speak. She is bright, funny and very good looking. An attorney, she makes more money from her books and appearances than most of us can dream of making.
If the church cannot defend its positions on abortion etc. against these speakers then maybe the Churches positions should change.
If the church cannot defend its positions on abortion etc. against these speakers then maybe the Churches positions should change.
LOL, Jimmy. Believe Coulter is pro-life, as well. But don't let that stop you from jumping on SHU and the Church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcqVQe-4z0
LOL, Jimmy. Believe Coulter is pro-life, as well. But don't let that stop you from jumping on SHU and the Church.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcqVQe-4z0
Regarding the Cuban ambassador speaking, would you rather our school of diplomacy follow the lead of the rest of our nation and bury their heads in the sand when it comes to Cuba? If we ignore the issues, what will that solve? I think it's great that he spoke at Seton Hall and our students were exposed to the other side of the issues with Cuba. It's not a simple situation between the U.S. and Cuba and things could be changing very soon when Fidel and Raul Castro die.
Also, you do realize that Pope Benedict had a sit-down with Fidel Castro not too long ago. What do you think of the former Pope?
Finally, pure communism is probably the fairest society one can have, but it's nearly impossible to maintain a classless, moneyless, and leaderless society on a grand scale. A small commune with everybody working for the good of the people as a whole with enough natural resources to sustain the small society is about as big as pure communism can be. It bothers me when people lump Marxism in with pure communism. Marxism has multiple classes (which is about as anti-communism as you can get) and very often the implementation of Marxism results in a dictatorship regime (also anti-communism).
On your death scale, where do rank the American government that has killed millions of people since our nation's inception? That death toll at the hands of the American government includes many Americans, such as Native Americans, victims of lynching, fellow Americans in the Civil War, and American citizens who looked Asian during World War II. Should we not invite any public official to speak at Seton Hall because of the blood on our government's hands from the past and present?
Cuban ambassador at SHU
Also, you do realize that Pope Benedict had a sit-down with Fidel Castro not too long ago. What do you think of the former Pope?
Finally, pure communism is probably the fairest society one can have, but it's nearly impossible to maintain a classless, moneyless, and leaderless society on a grand scale. A small commune with everybody working for the good of the people as a whole with enough natural resources to sustain the small society is about as big as pure communism can be. It bothers me when people lump Marxism in with pure communism. Marxism has multiple classes (which is about as anti-communism as you can get) and very often the implementation of Marxism results in a dictatorship regime (also anti-communism).
On your death scale, where do rank the American government that has killed millions of people since our nation's inception? That death toll at the hands of the American government includes many Americans, such as Native Americans, victims of lynching, fellow Americans in the Civil War, and American citizens who looked Asian during World War II. Should we not invite any public official to speak at Seton Hall because of the blood on our government's hands from the past and present?
Cuban ambassador at SHU
That's what I was referring to on the other board when I said you were thinking with your dipstick, and you got your knickers in a twist!
Thanks for giving my friend a big laugh, 6711.
I told her that someone would respond by attacking the U.S. instead of talking about Cuba. I can understand that you don't want to talk about Cuba and their massive incompetence at virtually everything except deception.
BTW, the only point of view that students on most campuses hear is the Castro point of view. You know those people, the HYPOCRITES who have one standard for their personal freedom, and a completely different standard for Cubans, North Koreans, Vietnamese, etc.
As for the Vatican. What a joke.
The last two popes visited Cuba and they both refused to meet with human rights activists.
And if this pope is the typical Che Guevara loving South American, he's not going to meet with them either.
I told her that someone would respond by attacking the U.S. instead of talking about Cuba. I can understand that you don't want to talk about Cuba and their massive incompetence at virtually everything except deception.
BTW, the only point of view that students on most campuses hear is the Castro point of view. You know those people, the HYPOCRITES who have one standard for their personal freedom, and a completely different standard for Cubans, North Koreans, Vietnamese, etc.
As for the Vatican. What a joke.
The last two popes visited Cuba and they both refused to meet with human rights activists.
And if this pope is the typical Che Guevara loving South American, he's not going to meet with them either.
How am I attacking the U.S.? I'm just drawing out the hypocrisy in your post. What's your magic number in number of people killed before representatives from that country can't speak on campus? I'm very much in favor of people from a variety of different backgrounds (including from Iran, which happened when I was a student, and Cuba, which happened this spring) speaking on campus. The only people who were blocked while I was a student were democrat politicians. In those cases, the politicians were ready to go, but the archdiocese banned them either the day of or the day before the speech.
But if you're ok with our diplomacy students burying their heads and only hearing one side of the Cuba/U.S. debate, then have fun with that. I'd rather them hear both sides and if the Cuban guy is kook and just a mouthpiece for the Castro brothers, then I would hope the students would have the mental capacity to see right through the talking points. If there is something substantive, then I hope they use that in their future careers in international affairs.
This post was edited on 7/31 9:39 PM by Pirate6711
The purpose of an education is learning how to think, not what to think. To determine the legitimacy of any particular issue you must hear and evaluate both sides and all ponts of view. Otherwise you are doing the students an injustice and depriving them of an educational opportunity. It matters not if the speaker is left of center, right of center or anywhere in between.
Tom K
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