It’s time for Sha to take some heat

[HallGuy23]

In my outside point of view, It appears he is running this team and program as if he’s still at St Peters in 2021.

By all accounts stressing defense first is a great strategy. But when it comes at the expense of offense he needs to adapt.

In the past if you taught your team to play great D and allowed the offense to catch up in a year or two down the road you would probably have a great team.

But that is with the expectation most of your players would be around 3-4 years to learn and develop.

It does us no good to stress defense to these guys when 90% won’t return after every season. He needs to find the balance of offense and defense asap.

He recruited these wingspan type “athlete” defensive players. It’s on him.

Lastly, it’s pretty annoying to watch these guys go out there and look like they’ve never practiced together before. He’s had months now to get these guys going. Adjustments are needed right now and for the future.

 

[shu09]

He has been an abject failure thus far. Really needs an intervention in order to change and get it going on the right track. His recruiting is poor. His in game coaching is questionable. Communication/relationship with the media/fans is bad. His offense is absolutely putrid. Soon to be 0-for-3 in NCAA bids.

On the other hand, this isn't college basketball anymore. This is minor league pro basketball and Sha/Seton Hall aren't equipped to compete.

 

[Doncheech313]

He has been an abject failure thus far. Really needs an intervention in order to change and get it going on the right track. His recruiting is poor. His in game coaching is questionable. Communication/relationship with the media/fans is bad. His offense is absolutely putrid. Soon to be 0-for-3 in NCAA bids.

On the other hand, this isn't college basketball anymore. This is minor league pro basketball and Sha/Seton Hall aren't equipped to compete.

You’re the epitome of a fair weather fan and this is a pathetic post. Be better or get off the board. Don’t need this scum

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

He has been an abject failure thus far. Really needs an intervention in order to change and get it going on the right track. His recruiting is poor. His in game coaching is questionable. Communication/relationship with the media/fans is bad. His offense is absolutely putrid. Soon to be 0-for-3 in NCAA bids.

On the other hand, this isn't college basketball anymore. This is minor league pro basketball and Sha/Seton Hall aren't equipped to compete.

He needs an injection of cash. I fear that judging our seasons on NCAA’s or failure are back to being a thing of the past. Me personally I don’t get upset with relationships with media and fans, I know some people want to feel special, just give me bragging rights with my friends by winning. I don’t care if the media or our fans love our coach or not.

 

[dehere23]

You’re the epitome of a fair weather fan and this is a pathetic post. Be better or get off the board. Don’t need this scum

He really isn't if you've been on this board for a while. He's an excellent poster who has been around as long as I have, and I've been around here a long time. He clearly follows the program year round, because you can tell from posts who follows the program year round (beyond them just being on the board). He isn't a kool-aid guzzler by any stretch, and tends to be more objective than some, but he is the farthest thing from a fair weather fan. We disagree sometimes, and agree on other stuff, but he's a die-hard like most of us on here.

Being a diehard doesn't mean you have to live in a world clouded with a lack of objectivity and realism.

I mean last night, one of our other regular contributors posted that St. John's double OT loss to a 13th ranked Baylor team was "bad for the conference" or something? Huh? I get half this board lacks all objectivity when it comes to them, but still.

You can be critical and objective and that doesn't make you a fair weather fan. Truth is we don't have many fair weather fans compared to other NJ sports teams, and if we do, they aren't coming to this board. Most everyone on here is a diehard. You just might not always agree with what they say.

 

[CaptBob]

Here we go--it's time to bring up NIL again and again and again--- I guess that SHU is the only school on the planet that doesn't have a load of cash to field a respectable team.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Here we go--it's time to bring up NIL again and again and again--- I guess that SHU is the only school on the planet that doesn't have a load of cash to field a respectable team.

Just out of curiosity when you look at the rankings, who doesn’t have a load of cash?

 

[King of S]

He needs an injection of cash. I fear that judging our seasons on NCAA’s or failure are back to being a thing of the past. Me personally I don’t get upset with relationships with media and fans, I know some people want to feel special, just give me bragging rights with my friends by winning. I don’t care if the media or our fans love our coach or not.

Cash? - NCAA needs to step up and put a cap on NIL’s. Totally out of hand.

 

[HallX2]

He has been an abject failure thus far. Really needs an intervention in order to change and get it going on the right track. His recruiting is poor. His in game coaching is questionable. Communication/relationship with the media/fans is bad. His offense is absolutely putrid. Soon to be 0-for-3 in NCAA bids.

On the other hand, this isn't college basketball anymore. This is minor league pro basketball and Sha/Seton Hall aren't equipped to compete.

Wow. Brutal take. Abject failure?

 

[NYC Pirate]

Yes, I said the SJU loss was bad for SJU and the conference. It was a lost opportunity for a solid win against a power conference team. It could have helped the BE rating. At the end of the year, we want as many teams as possible in the conference to get into the NCAAs. Obviously, we want SHU in there although it doesn't appear to be the case this season. SJU should make it, but you never know as we witnessed last season.

In my opinion Sha needs more funds without question, but they are not evaluating many of their incoming transfers properly. The truth may be in the middle ground.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Wow. Brutal take. Abject failure?

Since 2016, Only year we weren’t a tournament team was the covid bubble year before the coaching change. Now we’re staring at a 3rd straight year without the NCAA’s. Is that what you projected 2.5 years ago? Remember when losing in the first round of the NCAA’s wasn’t good enough?

Considering that how else would you describe it? There’s a lot of work to be done with this group. But I can’t say 09s take is off base. The biggest positive for this group is there’s a lot mediocre to bad big east teams this year. A lot of winnable conference games in my opinion.

 

[simone84]

Some good, some bad with Holloway. His offense has always been horrible, although it looked good during that St. Petey run.

Already some whispers out there that he's a goner at the end of the year. Wouldn't shock me. I think he sees that Seton Hall is toast like Kevin did.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Here we go--it's time to bring up NIL again and again and again--- I guess that SHU is the only school on the planet that doesn't have a load of cash to field a respectable team.

Drake is giggin pretty good with 4 division II kids, vandy has the jmu coach

 

[Hall-O-Daze]

Not saying Sha doesn’t deserve some criticism, but the reality is he came back to The Hall at the absolute worst possible time in regards to the upheaval of college athletics. If things were as they were even a handful of years ago, I have very little doubt he would be matching the success of the Willard era and possibly even better.

It’s just very unfortunate that we inherited Holloway at his hottest moment, and yet the circumstances of college hoops was about to nullify everything as we knew it. It was typical Seton Hall luck. Even as we all embraced Sha taking the helm, there was something nagging in my mind saying “this is too good to be true for us. Something is going to screw everything up”. Premonition fulfilled.

Again, Sha is not infallible, but college athletics got turned on its head. Suddenly we go from a program that has been successfully reestablished, to being on the outside looking in. I’m not sure how much of that can be blamed on Sha. That said, I feel outlook is as cold as our field goal percentage.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Some good, some bad with Holloway. His offense has always been horrible, although it looked good during that St. Petey run.

Already some whispers out there that he's a goner at the end of the year. Wouldn't shock me. I think he sees that Seton Hall is toast like Kevin did.

Where are these whispers coming from? All I see is Goodman taking shots at our NIL with every chance he gets. Haven’t seen anyone mention him leaving. Source?

 

[Hall Is Life]

Look at this clown belittling the fans that made the trip down in order to take yet another shot at our NIL money.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Look at this clown belittling the fans that made the trip down in order to take yet another shot at our NIL money.

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The guy’s job is to essentially regurgitate what agents tell him. Got to keep them happy so the “scoops”—i.e., news that would get released regardless of whether he reports it first—keep coming.

 

[hallgrad80]

Seton Hall is not going to eat money still due on Sha’s contract by cutting ties with Sha in the early years of his contract so to think he’s at risk at this point in time is unrealistic. Remember that his contract with SH is for 6 years at $2.4 million a year plus incentives.

 

[simone84]

Where are these whispers coming from? All I see is Goodman taking shots at our NIL with every chance he gets. Haven’t seen anyone mention him leaving. Source?

Trilly

 

[CL82]

Cash? F’that- NCAA needs to step up and put a cap on NIL’s. Totally out of hand.

But they won't end at this point probably can't. Emmert's failure to act on this in a timely manner effectively killed college sports as we knew it. Nobody's putting the genie back in the bottle. This is the new reality. The choice is adapt or die.

 

[CL82]

Look at this clown belittling the fans that made the trip down in order to take yet another shot at our NIL money.

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Because fans actually caring enough about their program to travel is a bad thing? Goodman is an idiot.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Some good, some bad with Holloway. His offense has always been horrible, although it looked good during that St. Petey run.

Already some whispers out there that he's a goner at the end of the year. Wouldn't shock me. I think he sees that Seton Hall is toast like Kevin did.

Trilly

Ummm which fan base or AD is saying remember that guy who coached St Peters 3 years ago, look what he’s doing now. Oh yea I want that here at our school. I need to bring that here.

 

[simone84]

Ummm which fan base or AD is saying remember that guy who coached St Peters 3 years ago, look what he’s doing now. Oh yea I want that here at our school. I need to bring that here.

Louisville did. Maybe with more $ for pay for play and an administration that wasn’t clueless he’d be a bit better.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Louisville did. Maybe with more $ for pay for play and an administration that wasn’t clueless he’d be a bit better.

But why him and not the 75-100 other coaches claiming the same thing. Guys at every mid major are claiming that too.

 

[shu09]

Look at this clown belittling the fans that made the trip down in order to take yet another shot at our NIL money.

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Fans, from overall what is a small fan base, donating small amounts isn't going to make a big difference. All of the teams that have a lot of money have big fish. Seton Hall just doesn't have that.

 

[HallGuy23]

I don’t know why this turned into an NIL argument. I’m concerned about the coaching. Who is teaching our bigs? Seems like nobody. Why as an all American guard can’t Sha get somebody to understand how to play PG?

The whole sharing the duties of ball handling is just lazy to me. Either these guys are all THAT bad or we’re not coaching the right things.

 

[hallgrad80]

Would love to see someone like P.J. Have a conversation with Sha about what changes he should consider as PJ is highly thought of by Sha,

 

[Mrpiratee]

I think the questions are totally fair. You're coming in as a whiz kid and getting a big contract. Blaming NIL, and/or blaming the heart and hustle of the players (which is what I see lots of lately), isn't good enough. Getting annoyed with the press or the fans -- which we've also seen lately -- isn't good enough or even acceptable. Nobody can question his legacy or desire, but these other elements of leadership, we can question -- and we can question results, especially against teams with no more NIL than us.

 

[newshu1]

Sha is stubborn like a mule which will ultimately be his downfall, his staff is made up of all Yes men as well not helping matters. He needs a veteran coach to act as GM and hold his feet to the fire. Please stop with crying poor with NIL as well, do you think Drake is doing fine with 4 Dvision2 transfers? Do you think Drake could have defeated Fordham at their home gym and Hofstra on a neutral floor? Yes money would help but threes plenty of low level, productive mid and low major kids out there. I think this is the route to our success vs malcontents like Harmon, or lazy, low productive high major transfers like Dual.

 

[hallstorm]

So…..on this thread it’s a situation where SHU is in such a bad NIL position that Sha will leave for greener pastures because he can’t win here.

But if SHU won this tournament and was 6-0 and looked great, it would be Sha is leaving for greener pastures because he’s too good for SHU.

This board is as consistent as always.

 

[Piratz]

Fans, from overall what is a small fan base, donating small amounts isn't going to make a big difference. All of the teams that have a lot of money have big fish. Seton Hall just doesn't have that.

This. Our fans support the program well. They donate, the turn up at tournaments in November and March. We're a small school that doesn't have the powerhouse boosters that allow you to build this roster and keep a Kadary Richmond, for example. And we wring them like a sponge just to get to $1.5-$2M annually, but you need more.

That's the difference: The ability to get difference-makers. Sha can develop them but can't pay them. And a result we're going a program with DAW playing PG. NG.

 

[HallX2]

So…..on this thread it’s a situation where SHU is in such a bad NIL position that Sha will leave for greener pastures because he can’t win here.

But if SHU won this tournament and was 6-0 and looked great, it would be Sha is leaving for greener pastures because he’s too good for SHU.

This board is as consistent as always.

This board is as depressing as the state of college athletics.

 

[Gohall129]

Sha deserves a lot of heat. you can argue tbh at well turn it around or whatever you want but here is the fact than cannot be argued and is the root of all of our problems.

3 seasons and 3 incomplete rosters.
Y1: no bigs
Y2: no backup pg or bench
Y3: no pgs or 3pt shooters

 

[Burnsly]

Nothing worse than people telling other people how to spend their $.

 

[Gohall129]

Nothing worse than people telling other people how to spend their $.

This isn’t a money issue as much as it is a sha issue. We could give him $3 million and he’s proven that he wouldn’t correctly appropriate it

 

[Piratz]

Since 2016, Only year we weren’t a tournament team was the covid bubble year before the coaching change. Now we’re staring at a 3rd straight year without the NCAA’s. Is that what you projected 2.5 years ago? Remember when losing in the first round of the NCAA’s wasn’t good enough?

Considering that how else would you describe it? There’s a lot of work to be done with this group. But I can’t say 09s take is off base. The biggest positive for this group is there’s a lot mediocre to bad big east teams this year. A lot of winnable conference games in my opinion.

We can't ignore how the sport has changed either. Willard had us in a good place consistently but also didn't have to deal with free transferring and NIL at Seton Hall. We probably were able to hang onto Kadary Richmond and Dre Davis last year because the transfer policy was unresolved. To me this is worse than NIL on assembling teams.

**I thought Holloway's first season was disappointing but not crazy for Year 1 of a regime. We again struggled to build a roster and collapsed late after getting to 8-5 in the Big East. We lost to freaking DePaul at the BET in embarrassing fashion.

**Last year was a mixed bag. We had one of the better BE records in hour history at 13-7 but were abysmal in the non-con and didn't get a bid. We were run out of the building at the BET. I enjoyed the NIT title run though.

This year? It's been terrible so far.

Some good, some bad with Holloway. His offense has always been horrible, although it looked good during that St. Petey run.

Already some whispers out there that he's a goner at the end of the year. Wouldn't shock me. I think he sees that Seton Hall is toast like Kevin did.

Nothing would shock me. He also needs to be as a aggressive as possible to improve the situation here. If he's constantly flirting it may drive some power brokers to push the money side. I also don't know who manages the money or if he needs help there.

 

[Burnsly]

Not sure if it’s an excuse or the reason but he definitely needs help.

 

[batts]

I’m guessing that we rank near the bottom of the big East conference with the size of our NIL budget. The criticism of Shah is really stupid. If we had sufficient money, Kadari would be bringing up the ball instead of an out of position Wusu. we would have seasoned bigs in the front court. Shah put together this team with a shoestring budget and it shows. Plain and simple, it’s not his fault. Instead, it’s the lack of funds to bring in and keep quality players.

 

[Piratz]

I’m guessing that we rank near the bottom of the big East conference with the size of our NIL budget. The criticism of Shah is really stupid. If we had sufficient money, Kadari would be bringing up the ball instead of an out of position Wusu. we would have seasoned bigs in the front court. Shah put together this team with a shoestring budget and it shows. Plain and simple, it’s not his fault. Instead, it’s the lack of funds to bring in and keep quality players.

Nobody - even media types favorable to SHU - is debating our NIL budget is bad. And that's with an improvement from Sha's first two offseasons when we had short rosters or players that had no business at this level for dirt cheap.

We also don't know how he came up with this roster. It looks to me he decided to go with depth and volume of players because he hated going through the first two seasons short. Did he pass up maybe a higher-end guard to achieve that? Do we get a reliable experienced lead guard but have to give up on Dual and Middleton, for example?

But this PG situation, whew. Having to play Odukale there killed us in Year 1 and now Addae-Wusu is doing the same in Year 3.

 

[LBP43]

Sha's biggest strength is that he is stubborn in wanting his Players to be stubborn too. His biggest weakness is that he is stubborn . Last night , Hall went 4 plus minutes without scoring and Vandy ran off 11 straight mostly on layups yet ( with the Fans begging for a T/O) Sha did not call T/O or seek to change pace.
You could see he was displeased but he did little as an in Game Coach and that is a theme I wish he would change .