See o thought that quote was from that other great philosopher Ralph Kramden
Jahari Long
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The whole Myles Powell didn’t start his freshman year is because he was on a really good team. This team is much weaker and I would expect Weston to start
Myles also had some really bad slumps as a freshman. To expect any of these guys to come in and play like they are part of the Fab 5 is over the top. My expectations are always low with freshmen. If they prove me wrong great. Take a guy like Duval who by all accounts was going to be a huge get and a sure thing to represent Seton Hall in the NBA. Then reality set in NBA GMs don't care what you were rated if you struggle with basic basketball skills like shooting the ball. Sometime athleticism gets overrated and basic skills are undervalued. Also some guys adjust to this level better than others. Maybe Weston will adjust easily, maybe he won't but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.
Brilliant and sensitive title to this post. Wow. Let's throw Jahari to the curb? I love it when people say I am on the back burner.
Just enjoy the new recruits and wish our existing kids all the best and hope they continue to improve and develop. Jahari will have a full off season to work on his game and improve and I am looking forward to seeing him make a big jump between freshman and sophomore year. Go Jahari!
Just enjoy the new recruits and wish our existing kids all the best and hope they continue to improve and develop. Jahari will have a full off season to work on his game and improve and I am looking forward to seeing him make a big jump between freshman and sophomore year. Go Jahari!
It makes it difficult not to root for Jahari.
Duval wasn’t dominate at Duke. Just a reminder for all about how playing a lot as a frosh is not that common and consistently playing well is rare. Many of our posters forget that among other things
im rooting for jahari. if he sticks it will be due to his hard work on his own accord. hes the only shu player from texas ive ever known. there are easier routes: permanent bench player, transfer, etc but it would be very telling if he steps up and keeps competing for his role.
He needs lots of improvement, let's hope it happens, he has most of the basic tools to get better.
I would not count the guy out. One thing he did show at MSG was that he wasn't intimidated or scared to be out there. He was aggressive taking the ball to the rim and did not hesitate to take open shots. After taking some time off from hoops he can get back to work on his game. Year one was a learning experience for him. If he can improve his quickness through conditioning he'll have a chance to contribute moving forward.
If Rhoden is our 4 we are in for trouble and not fair to him. Let him be the 3 as he should and have good senior year. Samuel should be the 4. We still need probably 2 post players for next year. If need additional pg depth then bring back Shavar (doesn’t count against the scholarship cap of 13 and is better than Long)
Jeez so sensitive. It was just a question considering w the brothers and conway on roster and willard saying hes lookimg for another pg. Why so many pg if jahari is solid
just curious.....does an NLI mean as much now if you can transfer and be eligible immediately?
Means nothing now, schools will let you out of it anyway, see Creighton and Tyty Washington.
Much like Norton stole from Stephen Foster.
1- its public board - players and families see these messages so posters are trying to be sensitive to that and when posters ignore that it hurts all of us in the seton hall family and especially the players. Especially with demeaning thread titles.
2- we are coming out of year where we had arguably NO healthy experienced PGs or SGs available, no alpha guards to depend on, we learned our lesson. We started and played a former walk on shooting guard at PG and played two players at SG that might have been better at SF. We would rather have a bunch of players compete and have backups in case injury, poor performance, other (covid) etc. Would you rather have a huge drop in talent on the bench? Good teams have solid back ups, they may not get in the rotation right away but helps the team in practice. Not saying Long is that but someone will be and it’s it ok, if
Reynolds could avg 30 plus minutes and start, Long can certainly do same still at the Hall.
3- besides Long (and not even Long because Spk doesn’t think he is a PG) the other 2 guys are more combo guards than PGs anyway. They are coming in as shoot first players. It’s not like these guards bring the same things to the table (well maybe Conway and Harris do but one is probably playing his last year and the other will be a freshman).
4- we don’t have any likely returning SGs, making 40 more available minutes for each of these 3 guards for more PT at SG. Earning minutes won’t be a problem with hard work. If Long wants more minutes he will have the opportunity to earn it.
2- we are coming out of year where we had arguably NO healthy experienced PGs or SGs available, no alpha guards to depend on, we learned our lesson. We started and played a former walk on shooting guard at PG and played two players at SG that might have been better at SF. We would rather have a bunch of players compete and have backups in case injury, poor performance, other (covid) etc. Would you rather have a huge drop in talent on the bench? Good teams have solid back ups, they may not get in the rotation right away but helps the team in practice. Not saying Long is that but someone will be and it’s it ok, if
Reynolds could avg 30 plus minutes and start, Long can certainly do same still at the Hall.
3- besides Long (and not even Long because Spk doesn’t think he is a PG) the other 2 guys are more combo guards than PGs anyway. They are coming in as shoot first players. It’s not like these guards bring the same things to the table (well maybe Conway and Harris do but one is probably playing his last year and the other will be a freshman).
4- we don’t have any likely returning SGs, making 40 more available minutes for each of these 3 guards for more PT at SG. Earning minutes won’t be a problem with hard work. If Long wants more minutes he will have the opportunity to earn it.
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If I recall correctly, MP was struggling mightily from 3 near the end of his freshman season (2016-17). A major slump. Then he hit one of the biggest shots of the season, a late 3 at Butler to essentially seal our NCAA bid.
ONIONS!
Oh yes. We can all go read the old posts of people calling for MP to stop shooting. Yes it really happened. The main point is give these young guys a chance. Maybe they pan out. Maybe they don't, but give them a chance.
There are a lot of examples of really good freshmen who struggle. I don't expect any of these guys to come in and have a better freshman year than Powell. Powell was awesome at Iowa and had some good showings early on. Big east coaches have more time to scout them and better athletes to defend them than what they see in high school. It's a huge adjustment. Hopefully these guys have a better freshman year than Powell, but I'm hoping the veterans are prepared if they don't.
Insurance. Jahari has yet to prove that he'll be solid. I hope he does. No depth at PG is what killed us this past season.
If he's going to play in BE he's going to need to work m his quickness. He appeared very slow.
There are both ways to increase quickness (lose weight, quick twitch drills, specific high rep exercises, etc) and to use your gracefullness-slowness to your advantage. (Lul defenders to sleep, change of pace, less turnovers, body positioning etc).
Don’t worry about Long. He knows he isn’t an already made final product and will continues to work to improve himself.
i am worried a bit about long because hes slow. and you those techniques dont really improve the amount that he needs in terms of quickness.
id rather him figure out how to be successful with his body. wide PGs exist and they figure out how to use their body to be effective.
but on the team we were adding him to, we didn’t need him to be dominant.
he had 10 ppg and 5.6 apg in the ACC.
Also had 20 points and 6 assists in their elite 8 loss to Kansas.
the narrative hasn’t changed in 10 years. We needed a legit PG to make the other players on the floor better.
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That was Khadeen sr yr? If yea of course we could’ve used him! I didn’t suggest otherwise.
Too bad it didn’t work out with SH and Duval
My only point was not every top recruit dominates fresh year. Duval didn’t.
