on cspan 2 right now; republicans are out of their minds and of course have the wyoming senator speak to block any yielding of time; amazed the two sides can't come together to better health care
Ladies and Gentlemen your American elected senators
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There's nothing shocking about this. Both sides are filled with typical Washington scum protecting their special interests groups. The politicians can say whatever they want but they're going to do what the special interests groups tell them to do.
Ironically, the name of the Wyoming Senator was Mike Enzi. They are not related.
Anyone see the quote from Cantor a couple days ago?
“To give the impression that if Republicans were in control of the House and Senate, that we could do that when Obama was still in office . . . .” His voice trails off and he shakes his head. “I never believed it.”
He says he wasn’t the only one aware of the charade: “We sort of all got what was going on, that there was this disconnect in terms of communication, because no one wanted to take the time out in the general public to even think about ‘Wait a minute—that can’t happen.’ ” But, he adds, “if you’ve got that anger working for you, you’re gonna let it be.”
This is what happens when you don't have a plan other than winning elections based on people being angry.
They just don't get it. Scalese almost loses his life while others are fired on; McCain, who was just given a death sentence, provides one of the most impassioned speeches to his colleagues. And what happens? Nothing. Partisan politics continue and special interests take the day.
Actually the senate decided in a bipartisan fashion that repealing the ACA was not a good idea.
Good job senate.
Again, the failure by republicans was that they never had a plan. They never ran on what they would replace Obamacare with and how they would fix the problems... We will see what happens from here.
Eventually it's going to be repealed. The program is on pace to blow up. I hope you still think the Senate works well in bipartisan fashion.
They just don't get it. Scalese almost loses his life while others are fired on; McCain, who was just given a death sentence, provides one of the most impassioned speeches to his colleagues. And what happens? Nothing. Partisan politics continue and special interests take the day.
It will not be repealed. Certain aspects of the bill may eventually be repealed, but they will not get the votes to repeal it.
Parts of the ACA certainly are indeed on pace to blow up. The measures up for a vote last night would have only made that happen faster.
We are clearly in need of some fixes. I think there is a chance to have a bipartisan fix since I really don't think Trump cares what he signs as long as he gets to say he accomplished the repeal.
Correction....Obama and the Dems passed an awful plan (Dems guilty of a bad play/Reps guilty of not engaging). But continue with your partisan view.
To be fair they've offerred to come to meet at the table with 1,000 non negotiables and the republicans laugh at them and say no thanks. We'll meet but stop the non negotiables.
Like I said in another post. ACA was a pig put in place by the Dems. The Republicans tried to put lipstick on a pig with a horrible plan. Thankfully it did not make the pig worse. Both parties are equally to blame and can't seem to get out of their own way let alone work together for the American people.
The real problem is they continue to hear that the American people have no confidence in them. But we stupid American people keep electing the incumbents. So why should they change and give up their cushy jobs, insider deals and long term pensions and healthcare?
The real problem is they continue to hear that the American people have no confidence in them. But we stupid American people keep electing the incumbents. So why should they change and give up their cushy jobs, insider deals and long term pensions and healthcare?
How is it a partisan view the republicans never had a plan to replace the ACA?
That is a fact.
They have not been invited to the discussion.
Republicans were invited to the table with the ACA. Democrats have not yet been invited to date.
There have been a few ideas pitched by some dems, but nothing of significance that the party supports to date.
I hope they come up with something. Republicans didn't do it in 7 years... and you think the dems should have within a few months? - while republicans are trying to do it entirely without them?
That is definitely true because Schumer has a ton of non negotiables. But the sad part is neither side will go into negotiations thinking openly what is in the best interest of the American people. They all come in with their personal and political biases. The democrats cannot have the poor come off health insurance because they will lose votes. The republicans are at a point where they will just let the system go and blow up in order to stregnthen their bargaining power when they eventually come to the table at the 11th hour like always happens in politics.
For seven years, the Republican Party made ACA repeal their number one legislative priority. That is a difficult starting point for negotiation.
I think both sides should take a well deserved vacation and cool off. When they return in September, the moderates in both parties should try to work on compromise legislation. The trick is for the Democrats not to gloat over this apparent victory and for Republicans to softly admit that an improved version of ACA will be allowed stand. Both things will be difficult and the fringes on both sides will press for more.
I stayed (mostly) awake watching CSPAN. (Thank God we don't have that Mike Enzi playing for us). After it became clear that McCain was not going to vote for the bill, I felt a little sad. It felt like his swan song and I suspect we will not see him in the public eye ever again. He was truly a man dedicated to public service.
I think both sides should take a well deserved vacation and cool off. When they return in September, the moderates in both parties should try to work on compromise legislation. The trick is for the Democrats not to gloat over this apparent victory and for Republicans to softly admit that an improved version of ACA will be allowed stand. Both things will be difficult and the fringes on both sides will press for more.
I stayed (mostly) awake watching CSPAN. (Thank God we don't have that Mike Enzi playing for us). After it became clear that McCain was not going to vote for the bill, I felt a little sad. It felt like his swan song and I suspect we will not see him in the public eye ever again. He was truly a man dedicated to public service.
Single Payer/Medicare For All. There's your solution. Will happen in decade at most if Dems take control of the legislature & have a somewhat progressive Prez. Until then Dems should show some gumption and resist any changes the Republicans wanna make, bc really all they mean by "change" is "cut" or tax breaks for the wealthy. The way the right wing has lied and fearmongered around Obamacare (admittedly flawed & not what i wanted), on what planet do the Dems have any reason to work with them on destroying Obamas signature legislation?
Only way to "fix" Obamacare is to expand it and fund it more. And those assholes are not going to do that.
Like I always say, the right always takes the low road these days, so it's time the Dems play in the mud with him. Stand your ground and energize your base...me!
Only way to "fix" Obamacare is to expand it and fund it more. And those assholes are not going to do that.
Like I always say, the right always takes the low road these days, so it's time the Dems play in the mud with him. Stand your ground and energize your base...me!
Ummmm we have a gigantic deficit. I'm all for funding healthcare more, but where's the money coming from. Maybe we should take it from the defense fund with North Korea sending out new missiles. I wouldn't even object to raising taxes, but our government has no accountability in how they spend our tax dollars. How they waste our tax dollars is ridiculous.
But I agree with President Clinton, Obamacare is the craziest thing in the world.
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I've always supported health insurance for all, but the real reform in Washington has to come from cutting waste and spending in unnecessary areas. That has to be the #1 priority before we get to anything else. The government just spends and spends and spends without thinking of the consequences. As SHUHoopsFan said, there is no accountability. That's putting it lightly.
I would love to go line by line in the federal budget with a big red pen (and the state budget too!).
I would love to go line by line in the federal budget with a big red pen (and the state budget too!).
Skipping the wasteful spending argument for a moment, we are already paying in all of the money we would need to cover the costs with a single payer system. Change the payment structure to a tax and it's done.
Now will there be waste? Of course there will be. I won't pretend that every government program is running as efficiently as possible or even has the proper incentives to run as efficiently as possible... but... will the waste be close to insurance profits and executive salaries/bonuses etc? Is there any waste at insurance companies as well (those of you who have had to fight medical bills will know there is)
The reason I am not more of an advocate of single payer is that it would be a fairly large disruption to our economy, but as time goes on the arguments on support of single payer make more and more sense.
"Where will we find the money" is just not something that is a problem. we already pay it.
What the hell are you talking about? I asked where is the money coming from to fund Obamacare more. At no point was the conversation about coming up with more money for a single payer system. As for the single payer system, it may work, it may not. I just hate the idea of the government controlling more things.
My mistake. You replied to Bobbie who posted about single payer. I thought you were talking about single payer.
The money to fund Obamacare more depends on what that means. We could remove all of the exchange plans and allow a buy in to Medicare. Probably wouldn't need any additional funding at all beyond what is currently being paid in and have better coverage than what is being offered.
What a terribly offensive and disingenous speech by McCain.
For years he's wanted to repeal Obamacare, campaigned on it just last year, yet now he votes to keep it because he doesn't like Trump. Terrible leadership, completely political, and hypocritical.
Then he speaks this gem: "Stop listening to the bombastic loudmouths on the radio and television and the Internet. To hell with them. They don't want anything done for the public good."
How about the bombastic loudmouths in Washington like McCain? His actions that night show he's a political animal and not for the public good. Why does he or any other DC politician think they know what's best for you?
How about we try something different, like free-market principles in health care? Set up a safety net for the truly indigent but 75 milion on Medicaid is a complete joke. Politician directed, broad brush insurance policies are a joke.
Sorry. That is bullshit.
"Completely political" - This entire process is completely political. Trump doesn't even understand what healthcare is.
Give him a bill which just changes the name from the ACA to "Trumpcare" he will sign it and talk about how he fixed our healthcare system.
With the repeal promises, it was implied they would "fix" healthcare. No bill offered was a fix to any part of the ACA. If the votes were cast blindly, there would have been more no votes because republicans don't really want it to pass. They can't have millions of Americans losing their healthcare because they voted to remove it. If it wasn't McCain killing the bill, it would have been someone else.
It was an impassioned speech from someone who was given just a few months to live. Like you, I hold McCain as responsible as the rest who have failed is, but perhaps maybe a time where he is vulnerable and trying to right a wrong.
You're far off base here. He voted against the bill because of the embarrassing way it was pushed through the Senate.
I hate to say it, but I don't believe any of them care about healthcare because they got their elite Government healthcare. None of this effects them. This is all about future votes. Democrats need to fight to keep those 30 million people on healthcare for their votes. Republicans said they would repeal it so they must. That's the real reason just about every vote is party based not what's best for people. There may be 3-5 out of 100 that are real but the rest are a joke. The only thing they do on a bipartisan basis is worry about themselves not the people.
Cant disagree with that @SHUHoopsFan . I think congress should receive the cheapest exchange plan available to the public as their benefit. Then maybe they would have a better understanding of what they are trying to fix.
No I don't think they should receive the cheapest thing available? I think people really should give the Kid Rocks of the world a chance at politics. A guy like Kid Rock can't have our back any less than the current people do. He's gotta be able to be able to balance a check book better than these people.
Truly don't think they understand what it means to have a shitty healthcare plan. I think they should.
No one is laughing. ACA identified 75 million people who need help obtaining health insurance. Finding free market solutions to reduce that number has been difficult.
Our entire economic system is based on free markets. If it was based on government run programs we'd be Russia. I'm not against giving people health coverage who need it. But make them earn it some way. Maybe they can be the people who do jury duty. Stop forcing small business owners to shut down their business for 2-5 days when some of these people are sitting at home and receiving government benefits.
Obamacare mandate has effected even more people in larger businesses then we know.
I got on line at Toys R Us and two African- American women had their hours reduced from 40 to 29 and they have to go to the marketplace. They blame Obamacare and the government and nobody else.
The other person I spoke to there has private healthcare offered from Toys and it has become too expensive for his family of 4. He dropped it and now they pay as they go.
To HELL with Obamacare and his government mandate. Full repeal.
I got on line at Toys R Us and two African- American women had their hours reduced from 40 to 29 and they have to go to the marketplace. They blame Obamacare and the government and nobody else.
The other person I spoke to there has private healthcare offered from Toys and it has become too expensive for his family of 4. He dropped it and now they pay as they go.
To HELL with Obamacare and his government mandate. Full repeal.
