Louis Orr- Big Man Coach

[Pirate64]

My memory is fading but wasn't Louis Orr the best big man coach we've had since PJ's days.

And don't we need that kind of teacher now?

Who's in charge of our big men ?

Not saying Louis should come ever come back. Absoluetly not.

But a guy like Jerry Walker might be able to teach these guys a few things. Like how to box out. And how to stay alert to catch the ball.
This post was edited on 4/4 11:59 AM by Pirate64

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Why would he ever come here to do this for us? Crazy idea, never gonna happen

 

[lloyde dobler]

I don't think he was endorsing Louis Orr, just the idea of having a quality big man coach.

I'm not sure what Louis Orr did and didn't do during his time at Seton Hall. There are probably some interesting stories in that regard in which we've never heard about. Oh those programmatic details.

 

[MBF72]

Speaking of Louis, the guy who followed him at Bowling Green got fired...too.
Don't know if he is the answer, but our second team big men never seem to get noticeably better; they just foul faster.

 

[Seton75]

Kelly Whitney was a polished post player the summer before his frosh season. Was very obvious - I saw him often at JSBL. FWIW

 

[hbkmyr]

We haven't had enough three-to four year players who were key contributors under this staff for me to judge whether they are good at developing players. Pope, theodore, teague, oliver, etc all were somewhat established already. Funny thing is if you look at guys they've had a chance to work with, I think the majority of them who you can say noticeably got better over their careers were forwards and centers like Edwin, AG, Auda.

 

[Shuathelete]

BUT LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES WE SEND IT INTO THE POST!!

 

[400SOAVE]

Kelly Whitney got stuck playing out of position his entire career.

He should have been a 3 or a 4. Instead he was usually in the middle fighting against BE monsters night after night.

 

[hallgrad80]

You have to look at the entire coaching staff and evaluate if its able to get the job done with respect to two key elements of any successful program. First can they recruit and then do they having the teaching skills to develop the players on your roster. That means you must have a staff that can develop players at all the positions, PG, SG, SF, PF and C and that means not having a staff made up of coaches whose primary skill set is guard oriented.

Would it be better if we had a coach on the staff whose skill set from his playing days is as a big man and who has coached and developed big men at other stops in his coaching career , of course it would. I would love to see this staff add a true big man's coach even if its a volunteer coach, as they say " it couldn't hurt".

 

[cernjSHU]

Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
Kelly Whitney got stuck playing out of position his entire career.

He should have been a 3 or a 4. Instead he was usually in the middle fighting against BE monsters night after night.

Kelly Whitney a 3????????????????? No way! He could have played the 4. He did not have the handle to be a 3.

 

[Pirate64]

Hallgrad 80. They also say, "you shouldn't know from it"
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And that's the state of things right now.

 

[Piratz]

Orr at least had some adequate frontcourt depth, which enabled him to coach to his strengths, which were half-court defense and rebounding. Not everyone needs to be an all-BE caliber player like Kelly Whitney, but if they can give you quality minutes it works. That's what happened.

He could mix and match with players like Billmeier, Cousin, Gaines, and Palmer off the bench to help out Whitney. Plus he also inherited Greg Morton and Andre Sweet earlier in his tenure.

 

[HALL85]

We need to start with a Head Coach plain and simple. Adding a big-man coach under Kevin does very little or nothing.

 

[Section112]

The big man coach thing is overrated and seems to reappear every now and again on the board. How about getting a good coach that can recruit. Why isn't there a little man coach or a forward coach?? Lol

 

[Seton75]

If Garcia was healthy, Kelly would have played four. I remember posting before that great win over Pitt that I hope Orr was smart enough to not force it down that tough Pitt's D. That is exactly what he did, leading us to that great win.

 

[piratehall]

im not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Coach Orr was a sensational coach but compared to our head coach I would love to have him back. when john Garcia was recruited out of long island he was considered an excellent prospect but unfortunately hurt his knees yet still produced for us. on his recruiting trip and when he signed he said a huge reason was that Orr took him out on the court and for an hour just taught him all different moves and ways to play center. that made up his mind QUICKLY. Orr was an ALL AMERICAN AT SYRACUSE and a good NBA player. THE KIDS KNEW HIM AS WELL AS THE AAU GUYS PARENTS ETC. Remember he was aKnick. But he also was an assistant in college and only a year as a HC. He was a good recruiter getting both local and players from around the country. locally he got john Garcia grant billmeier Ed Davis who transferred after his second year Donald Copeland the first st. Anthony kid in 2 decades. we did get Jalil Roberts from there as a transfer under BLANEY???? but left. also paul gause jamar nutter. from out of the area Kelly whitney who was a Michigan verbal and a center or a possible pf marcus cousin david palmer who started for our last ncaa team at pf towards the end of that season jr morris tremendous athlete Justin ceresoli another talent but confused to say the least. I forgot some but you can see how Orr worked . Both local and nationally. all this nonsense about him being arrogant and some type of a bad guy is a joke. Gonzo is a bad guy. Orr was a quiet family man and yes he did miss some outings with the aluni but for what he accomplished he never should have been fired. at bowling green totally different situation. and he had a couple verbals but was fired. he knew he had to make the ncaa and never said a word . he made it his second and for that was fired buy joe quinlin. what a joke. since then a lot of misery.

 

[Piratz]

Originally posted by Seton75:
If Garcia was healthy, Kelly would have played four. I remember posting before that great win over Pitt that I hope Orr was smart enough to not force it down that tough Pitt's D. That is exactly what he did, leading us to that great win.

Oh, that's right. I forgot about John Garcia. Man, that was a great signing for Orr. Garcia was very talented, just had those bad knees.

 

[SHUMA04]

Orr wasn't a bad recruiter at all. I think we unfairly criticized him for his Midwestern pipeline.

I'd also add other talents such as JR Morris (another unfortunate but immensely gifted case) as well as Malcolm Grant.

That 2005 team had a heck of a lot talent actually: Whitney, Garcia, Cerasoli, Morris, John Allen, Copeland.

The truth isnthat talent hasn't been as much of an issue as coaching when you go back through SHU history.

A charismatic recruiter can be very effective at Seton Hall (as Amaker proved) but a good technical coach (and Orr wasn't bad) can get NCAA caliber rosters here. Combined with some coaching, finding hidden gems etc there is no reason why a coach can't be successful at SHU. And by successful I mean 2-3 NCAA caliber teams every five years.

 

[HallLine69]

Originally posted by piratehall:
im not saying by any stretch of the imagination that Coach Orr was a sensational coach but compared to our head coach I would love to have him back. when john Garcia was recruited out of long island he was considered an excellent prospect but unfortunately hurt his knees yet still produced for us. on his recruiting trip and when he signed he said a huge reason was that Orr took him out on the court and for an hour just taught him all different moves and ways to play center. that made up his mind QUICKLY. Orr was an ALL AMERICAN AT SYRACUSE and a good NBA player. THE KIDS KNEW HIM AS WELL AS THE AAU GUYS PARENTS ETC. Remember he was aKnick. But he also was an assistant in college and only a year as a HC. He was a good recruiter getting both local and players from around the country. locally he got john Garcia grant billmeier Ed Davis who transferred after his second year Donald Copeland the first st. Anthony kid in 2 decades. we did get Jalil Roberts from there as a transfer under BLANEY???? but left. also paul gause jamar nutter. from out of the area Kelly whitney who was a Michigan verbal and a center or a possible pf marcus cousin david palmer who started for our last ncaa team at pf towards the end of that season jr morris tremendous athlete Justin ceresoli another talent but confused to say the least. I forgot some but you can see how Orr worked . Both local and nationally. all this nonsense about him being arrogant and some type of a bad guy is a joke. Gonzo is a bad guy. Orr was a quiet family man and yes he did miss some outings with the aluni but for what he accomplished he never should have been fired. at bowling green totally different situation. and he had a couple verbals but was fired. he knew he had to make the ncaa and never said a word . he made it his second and for that was fired buy joe quinlin. what a joke. since then a lot of misery.

Please don't be offended by this, but can you please use an occasional paragraph break. Your posts are always interesting but they sre incredibly frustrating to read.

 

[Piratz]

Originally posted by SHUMA04:
Orr wasn't a bad recruiter at all. I think we unfairly criticized him for his Midwestern pipeline.

I'd also add other talents such as JR Morris (another unfortunate but immensely gifted case) as well as Malcolm Grant.

That 2005 team had a heck of a lot talent actually: Whitney, Garcia, Cerasoli, Morris, John Allen, Copeland.

The truth isnthat talent hasn't been as much of an issue as coaching when you go back through SHU history.

A charismatic recruiter can be very effective at Seton Hall (as Amaker proved) but a good technical coach (and Orr wasn't bad) can get NCAA caliber rosters here. Combined with some coaching, finding hidden gems etc there is no reason why a coach can't be successful at SHU. And by successful I mean 2-3 NCAA caliber teams every five years.

+1

Orr had his own issues, but the school followed it with two worse hires.

I was all for Gonzo; I thought he could thrive here. Oops.