More work to do, but last night's loss didn't kill our chances to dance. It's up to the team now
to continue to work hard and get us at least 3 more wins.
to continue to work hard and get us at least 3 more wins.
Lunardi STILL has us in the tournament
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From a tournament perspective, one of the major benefits of the new Big East is that most games are an opportunity for a resume-building win with little risk for a resume-hurting loss. There are also very few auto-losses (unlike many years in the old Big East).
Losing to butler at home isnt the most ideal situation by any means, but hopefully anyone who knows basketball can figure out they are a good team. in no way should it be a fatal error when looking at our current resume and the weak field. have to beat Gtown tomorrow to validate our belonging for another week.
The Big East has 7 RPI top 100 teams with Marquette right on the fringe. That's a minimum of 12 (and possibly 14) opportunities for resume-building wins with only 4 opportunities for resume-hurting losses.
He was harping on the home loss part of that because 4 of our final 6 are on the road.
We're 3-2 (.600) on the road in conference and 4-3 (.571) at home. We've actually been better away. Two of those final four road games are against St. John's and DePaul. If we don't win those we do not deserve to get in, just as what happened in 2012.
The other two road games are Butler and Georgetown, which hopefully we split.
Here's a list (in order) of how I would rank the following people's opinions about college basketball:
1. College basketball writers
2. Every message poster that ever lived
3. Jon Rothstein
At 17-7 and 7-5 in BE we are right where if not in a better position than most people thought we would be. We are more than capable of winning another 3 or 4 games. This team has performed well so far this year. The team never gave up against Butler and with 45 seconds to go we still at ta shot to win the game.
We did get some mid-major bubble help yesterday. Some of these were fringe bubble teams at best but losses yesterday may have severely hurt their chances.
All of the following teams were on espn's bubble watch or at least mentioned earlier in the week.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch..updated from thursday's games.
Chattanoga @ RPI 230 West Carolina..bubble watch has them out now.
VCU @ UMass RPI172
AR Little Rock @ Louisana Monroe RPI 166... They were probably already out but 6-1 record against top 150 and previously only 2 loses could have been interesting.
Pepperdine RPI 107 @ St. Mary's ...bubble watch has them out now. before thursdays game lunardi had them as 8 seed???they were looking good two weeks ago but 2 losses in past week and no top 50 wins best road win rpi 220.
Hofstra RPI 72 @William & Mary..mentioned in tuesday's bubble watch no longer mentioned. now rpi 55
All of the following teams were on espn's bubble watch or at least mentioned earlier in the week.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch..updated from thursday's games.
Chattanoga @ RPI 230 West Carolina..bubble watch has them out now.
VCU @ UMass RPI172
AR Little Rock @ Louisana Monroe RPI 166... They were probably already out but 6-1 record against top 150 and previously only 2 loses could have been interesting.
Pepperdine RPI 107 @ St. Mary's ...bubble watch has them out now. before thursdays game lunardi had them as 8 seed???they were looking good two weeks ago but 2 losses in past week and no top 50 wins best road win rpi 220.
Hofstra RPI 72 @William & Mary..mentioned in tuesday's bubble watch no longer mentioned. now rpi 55
When he says it's a bad loss, he doesn't mean that it is a head-shaking loss to a bad team, in and of itself - it certainly is not that - but that it is a missed opportunity for a bubble team with a bad OOC schedule and dwindling opportunities to solidify its resume.
I'll feel much better with 11 regular-season wins than 10. I just don't know if that gets it done.
LOL. on 3. He did pick Iowa State to cut down the nets last year as NCAA champion. They lost in the 1st round to UAB. I want to hear his picks this year so I can go the other way.
What we cant do is start a losing streak. Beating Gtown is important because im not optimistic on beating Butler again.
Prov and X are the ones that if we can pull out one win ill be on the side of full confidence of making the tournament.
Field is so weak this year, but now bad teams are getting signature wins left and right. We need another one. Ex Indiana over #4 Iowa last night, and OU and UNC going down a week ago, etc.
Prov and X are the ones that if we can pull out one win ill be on the side of full confidence of making the tournament.
Field is so weak this year, but now bad teams are getting signature wins left and right. We need another one. Ex Indiana over #4 Iowa last night, and OU and UNC going down a week ago, etc.
We are still in. If we lose to GTown we'll either be last 4 out or last 4 in.
From that point SHU can really take care of its own business. I'm starting to think we need
to turn the SJU game at MSG into a quasi home game. The school should make sure they
get a busload of students into the game. Could our students receive the "student price" at MSG?
Bottom line is that we have to beat SJU, Providence or Xavier and DePaul. No questions asked. We need to kick
the crap out of both SJU and DePaul. That's on Kevin, the coaching staff and players. No excuses
We the Seton Hall fans have to show up in big numbers to the Providence and Xavier and make sure
there is plenty of energy in the building. The Gtown and Butler away games can be great opportunities
to add a quality top 50 road win onto the resume.
Win 4 out of 6 and it will be game set and match.
From that point SHU can really take care of its own business. I'm starting to think we need
to turn the SJU game at MSG into a quasi home game. The school should make sure they
get a busload of students into the game. Could our students receive the "student price" at MSG?
Bottom line is that we have to beat SJU, Providence or Xavier and DePaul. No questions asked. We need to kick
the crap out of both SJU and DePaul. That's on Kevin, the coaching staff and players. No excuses
We the Seton Hall fans have to show up in big numbers to the Providence and Xavier and make sure
there is plenty of energy in the building. The Gtown and Butler away games can be great opportunities
to add a quality top 50 road win onto the resume.
Win 4 out of 6 and it will be game set and match.
Yes, they can. I did this when I was a student at SHU. I got student tickets at the Garden box office with my SHU ID (unless the person working in the ticket office wasn't supposed to do that).
@Halldan1 this might be something we should pin to the board so students know.
and opening up their conference opponents for "good wins" now that they have become increasingly more jaded to their situation.
Shuathlete..i think both teams are trying to win games.
But, if a team that might not otherwise win the American conference tournament if SMU were in it, say Tulsa, gets an auto-bid when they might not have gotten an at-large effectively negates SMU not getting a bid.
But, if a team that might not otherwise win the American conference tournament if SMU were in it, say Tulsa, gets an auto-bid when they might not have gotten an at-large effectively negates SMU not getting a bid.
And UCONN had a brutal loss last night to Temple. They were up double digits and TU went on a 17-4 run to close out the game. UCONN is a bubble team. Cinn. is another. If Temple wins that tourney what you just described is spot on.
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FWIW Temple is in as a 12 seed according to Lunardi's update yesterday (not sure if this was done before or after last night's games).
He has UConn currently in as an 8 seed. I know they've played a much tougher out of conference schedule, but that still seems like a pretty big gap between them and SHU who he has as a last 4 in/ play-in team.
I just looked closer at the AAC and UConn's conference schedule. The bottom 5 teams in the AAC have an average RPI of 193 (St. Johns' RPI is 209). UConn has 8 games against this group and have played 6 of them already. Their only other conference win was against Houston.
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Temple is actually alone in first in the American (aside from SMU, which is ineligible for the postseason), and has a win over SMU, as well as a sweep of UConn. They are as much a threat to win that AAC tournament as UConn or Cincy.
UCONN certainly played a strong OOC schedule. And I was surprised how Tulsa matched up with a 49 RPI and decent OOC schedule. Temple has VU up, but after that looks like they have an easier schedule somewhat. I didn't think the gap was that big between us and UCONN. Although our OOC is not great I really thought Ole Miss, UGA, GW and WSU was good enough this year for the field of 64 just by taking care of business the rest of the way.
Thanks to you and Source for the info.
Legit question... Why is providence being so highly thought of? I am not saying we are going to beat them again, but I think they may be the most overrated team in the entire country. They have 2 good players, but no depth at all
Can't start a losing streak is right. The selection committee looks at last 10 games. If we get 4 wins rest of the way that is great. We did win 4 straight before the BU loss.
As far as PC their numbers stack up better than ours that is why they are ranked ahead of us. It does not matter that they don't have depth. All things being equal right now we are behind them as far as selection goes possibly even if we sweep them. Hofstra swept GMU years ago and didn't get in. That might have been the year GM beat UCONN and got to the final 4
PC SHU
RPI 38 51
NCRPI 31 73
SOS 54 69
NCSOS 199 254
I think the selection committee eliminated the "last ten games" as a qualification criteria about 5 years ago.
Back in the day you always heard the selection committee put an emphasis on "the last 10 games", but I remember reading that they no longer do that and just view the season as a whole.
Back in the day you always heard the selection committee put an emphasis on "the last 10 games", but I remember reading that they no longer do that and just view the season as a whole.
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Last 10 games is no longer an official criteria. But ANYTHING an individual committee member wants to consider is a criteria. You can't get inside their heads to know what they think is important and what isn't. When Seton Hall got left out in 2012 and the committee chair was asked why the only thing he said was they were 5-10 in their last 15. This was after last 10 was supposedly no longer a criteria and last 15 surely was never a criteria. But that's what kept Seton Hall out.
A few years ago they added average RPI of the teams you beat and teams you lost to as official criteria. And literally nobody has ever referred to those numbers ever. Nobody uses them. The actual criteria are whatever each person on the committee wants the criteria to be.
A few years ago they added average RPI of the teams you beat and teams you lost to as official criteria. And literally nobody has ever referred to those numbers ever. Nobody uses them. The actual criteria are whatever each person on the committee wants the criteria to be.
They had Joe Castiglione, OU AD who is on the selection committee on ESPN game day this morning and he pretty much contradicted a lot of what you posted above. Apparently, you think you can get inside the head of the selection committee.
That 2011-12 SHU team was 8-10 in conference 3-8 v. top 50 RPI and 8-10 v. top 100 RPI. Going 4-6 your last 10 games with wins over a bad SJU and RU doesn't get in done even with beating GU an NCAA team. Beating RU again and DePaul the last 2 games would not have made a difference IMO. You don't want a losing streak your last 10 games and your sure as hell don't want a 6 game losing streak before those last 10 games like that team had. There were plenty of reasons that kept that team out that year. Not one comment.
You never want to leave your fate in the hands of these mysterious committees. You can avoid that by taking care of business.
Unfortunately that 2011-12 team did not do that. When you're 19-9, 8-8 and lined up for an NCAA berth with two games remaining against losing teams, it's on you for losing both. Terrible.
At 17-7, 7-5, this year's team again has their fate in their own hands. Must get to at least 11 BE wins, including the BET.
Unfortunately that 2011-12 team did not do that. When you're 19-9, 8-8 and lined up for an NCAA berth with two games remaining against losing teams, it's on you for losing both. Terrible.
At 17-7, 7-5, this year's team again has their fate in their own hands. Must get to at least 11 BE wins, including the BET.
You don't have to try to get in someone's head when you can quote what they ACTUALLY SAID.
Committee chairs always spout the NCAA company line leading up to selections, saying what the NCAA wants them to say about what the criteria is and isn't. Then they go in the room and do whatever the hell they want. And then they can make crap up afterwards to justify what they did as that same committee chair from 2012 did when he literally just made numbers up to try to justify selecting Iona.
I remember the Iona selection the committee rewarded them despite the loss in the MAAC tourney and I think they deserved the bid. They were in the last 4 in and should have beaten BYU blowing a big lead that game. They met all the criteria that year nobody made anything up.
