Monmouth or Seton Hall
- Thread starter Halldan1
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SHU 17-6 7-4
Dartmouth W, 84-67 Home 1-0
Wagner W, 69-59 Home 2-0
Long Beach St. L, 80-77 Neutral 2-1
Bradley W, 67-59 Neutral 3-1
Mississippi W, 75-63 Neutral 4-1
Georgia W, 69-62 Home 5-1
George Washington L, 72-64 Away 5-2
Rutgers W, 84-55 Away 6-2
Troy W, 78-69 71 Home 7-2
Saint Peter's W, 72-46 Home 8-2
Wichita St. W, 80-76 OT Home 9-2
South Florida W, 66-49 Home 10-2
Marquette W, 83-63 Away 11-2 1-0
DePaul W, 78-74 Home 12-2 2-0
Villanova L, 72-63 Away 12-3 2-1
Creighton L, 82-67 Home 12-4 2-2
Providence W, 81-72 Away 13-4 3-2
Villanova L, 72-71 Home 13-5 3-3
Xavier L, 84-76 Away 13-6 3-4
St. John's W, 79-60 Home 14-6 4-4
Creighton W, 75-65 Away 15-6 5-4
Marquette W, 79-62 Home 16-6 6-4
Georgetown W, 69-61 Home 17-6 7-4
Dartmouth W, 84-67 Home 1-0
Wagner W, 69-59 Home 2-0
Long Beach St. L, 80-77 Neutral 2-1
Bradley W, 67-59 Neutral 3-1
Mississippi W, 75-63 Neutral 4-1
Georgia W, 69-62 Home 5-1
George Washington L, 72-64 Away 5-2
Rutgers W, 84-55 Away 6-2
Troy W, 78-69 71 Home 7-2
Saint Peter's W, 72-46 Home 8-2
Wichita St. W, 80-76 OT Home 9-2
South Florida W, 66-49 Home 10-2
Marquette W, 83-63 Away 11-2 1-0
DePaul W, 78-74 Home 12-2 2-0
Villanova L, 72-63 Away 12-3 2-1
Creighton L, 82-67 Home 12-4 2-2
Providence W, 81-72 Away 13-4 3-2
Villanova L, 72-71 Home 13-5 3-3
Xavier L, 84-76 Away 13-6 3-4
St. John's W, 79-60 Home 14-6 4-4
Creighton W, 75-65 Away 15-6 5-4
Marquette W, 79-62 Home 16-6 6-4
Georgetown W, 69-61 Home 17-6 7-4
Monmouth 19-5 11-2
UCLA W, 84-81 OT Away 1-0
USC L, 101-90 Away 1-1
Drexel W, 82-74 Away 2-1
Notre Dame W, 70-68 Neutral 3-1
Dayton L, 73-70 Neutral 3-2
USC W, 83-73 Neutral 4-2
Canisius L, 96-86 Away 4-3 0-1
Niagara W, 56-42 Away 5-3 1-1
Wagner W, 73-54 Home 6-3
Georgetown W, 83-68 Away 7-3
Rutgers W, 73-67 Away 8-3
Cornell W, 78-69 Away 9-3
Army L, 91-84 Away 9-4
Canisius W, 81-66 Home 10-4 2-1
Quinnipiac W, 88-74 Home 11-4 3-1
Fairfield W, 86-74 Away 12-4 4-1
Iona W, 110-102 Away 13-4 5-1
Siena W, 85-69 Home 14-4 6-1
Manhattan L, 78-71 Away 14-5 6-2
Marist W, 83-72 Home 15-5 7-2
Quinnipiac W, 66-51 Away 16-5 8-2
Saint Peter's W, 73-57 Home 17-5 9-2
Siena W, 93-87 Away 18-5 10-2
Fairfield W, 91-67 Home 19-5 11-2
UCLA W, 84-81 OT Away 1-0
USC L, 101-90 Away 1-1
Drexel W, 82-74 Away 2-1
Notre Dame W, 70-68 Neutral 3-1
Dayton L, 73-70 Neutral 3-2
USC W, 83-73 Neutral 4-2
Canisius L, 96-86 Away 4-3 0-1
Niagara W, 56-42 Away 5-3 1-1
Wagner W, 73-54 Home 6-3
Georgetown W, 83-68 Away 7-3
Rutgers W, 73-67 Away 8-3
Cornell W, 78-69 Away 9-3
Army L, 91-84 Away 9-4
Canisius W, 81-66 Home 10-4 2-1
Quinnipiac W, 88-74 Home 11-4 3-1
Fairfield W, 86-74 Away 12-4 4-1
Iona W, 110-102 Away 13-4 5-1
Siena W, 85-69 Home 14-4 6-1
Manhattan L, 78-71 Away 14-5 6-2
Marist W, 83-72 Home 15-5 7-2
Quinnipiac W, 66-51 Away 16-5 8-2
Saint Peter's W, 73-57 Home 17-5 9-2
Siena W, 93-87 Away 18-5 10-2
Fairfield W, 91-67 Home 19-5 11-2
I don't think there is any question about who is better. Games don't occur in vacuums. Mindsets and emotional states enter into the equation of matchups to a great degree, especially in the nonconference season, when Monmouth caught a few teams sleeping or taking a day off once they saw the unfamiliar "Monmouth" on the jersey. That isn't to say that the Hawks aren't any good - of course they are - but at this time of year, with focuses being honed very sharply on postseason aspirations, we would beat them by 15 or 20 on any court you name.
If we played them in the third game of the season, I wouldn't be surprised (in retrospect) if they stole one from us. But that window has come and gone. I'd still like to see them get a bid, as I think they are a team that can score a first-weekend upset.
If we played them in the third game of the season, I wouldn't be surprised (in retrospect) if they stole one from us. But that window has come and gone. I'd still like to see them get a bid, as I think they are a team that can score a first-weekend upset.
I agree. I saw a few of the early wins. When they played GU, they were already the upset king, and they kicked Georgetown's ass. That game really impressed me.
Monmouth is a good team. But where would they finish in the Big East after a grinding schedule?
Monmouth can probably afford another loss or 2 in the league and make the tourney. They have won 10 of 11 in the MAAC and those OOC wins vs. UCLA, Notre Dame, Georgetown, and USC were all neutral site or away games. I think they are almost a shoe in to make the tourney barring a collapse.
Agreed. Those are big OOC wins. Losing to Cani and Army certainly take away from the overall record though. I agree it will take at least 2 more losses in conference to change their fate.
As much as I want them to lose and miss the tourney the best thing for us would be they cruise through the conference tournament and lock up the auto bid. The less amount of teams on the bubble the better.
Loss to Army can be excused, as I believe that was the last game of 11 out of 12 games to open the season that were on the road/neutral site. That's not easy to handle, especially when facing the likes of high D1 teams mentioned above.
Uh, a pass by who? The committee? Teams build their own schedules. If you schedule easy, that's on you and will be taken into account by the committee (our situation). If you schedule hard, and then lose to a Kenpom #232 team, that will be taken into account by the committee. It's part of their record and I don't see how the committee won't see it as a bad loss.
A tournament team should be able to handle Army away in a year like this where they are bad. I agree Monmouth has some great wins.
I would like to hear from you or someone else what "can be excused" in this sense means.
I do believe it should be factored into the equation. If Seton Hall played their first 11 of 12 games away from home, and they were on the bubble, I believe many fans on this site would be stating that it should be factored into the decision-making process. Can you honestly look at that brutal non-conference schedule and say that Monmouth shouldn't receive the benefit of the doubt compared to another high/mid major who played mostly cupcakes at home in the early part of the season?
The UCLA and Georgetown wins don't look as impressive with each passing week. Both teams are barely .500 on the year. Notre Dame and USC are huge wins that can go a long way for them. For me they don't get a pass vs Army, that one hurts.
I have no clue who would win (although I suspect The Hall by 10+...), but it is interesting fodder.
If The Hall can handle their business and get to 10-11 BE wins it won't matter. I'm hoping The Hall can close on a run and be a 6-7 seed somehow. I hope Monmouth gets in as well personally. Growing up in the Binghamton area, King Rice was (and still is) a legend around those parts. He was an absolute beast to watch in those days. He was an even better football player by most accounts although I never actually saw him play football. I'd love to see his team make the Dance and maybe a move up for him. He has been grinding away for awhile now.
I have no clue who would win (although I suspect The Hall by 10+...), but it is interesting fodder.
If The Hall can handle their business and get to 10-11 BE wins it won't matter. I'm hoping The Hall can close on a run and be a 6-7 seed somehow. I hope Monmouth gets in as well personally. Growing up in the Binghamton area, King Rice was (and still is) a legend around those parts. He was an absolute beast to watch in those days. He was an even better football player by most accounts although I never actually saw him play football. I'd love to see his team make the Dance and maybe a move up for him. He has been grinding away for awhile now.
It sounds like we agree. I'm all about benefit of the doubt for teams that play harder schedules vs. softer ones. If I were on the committee I would stack up the wins and losses to compare (that includes looking at home and away as well as RPI), and definitely give the edge to teams who played harder schedules and won games. If they lose a few more games to 100+ opponents though, that definitely changes the calculus.
It's one reason I hate our cupcake schedule. I would rather see us lose to @Duke, @Kentucky, @Virginia, than beat a bunch of Dartmouths and Wagners.
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