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Seems like the debate is already on despite the fact that the NBA finals are still being played.

If the trend continues and the Warriors win it all while James continues to play like he has been playing. Do you give him, a player on the losing team, the MVP award?
 
If Cavs force a game 7 he should win the award hands down. I think he should win it even if they lose at home tomorrow night but my guess is that that won't happen.
 
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Watching some shows on TV it seems it's more likely that media types are willing to give the award to a player on the losing team. Whereas past NBA performers almost think doing that is akin to heresy.

My take, unless Curry goes nuts in the next game or two I would give the award to James. And I say that as a person who thinks he is one of the very best players to ever play the game even though I don't personally like him.
 
I AGREE THAT IT IS TOUGHER TO GIVE IT TO HIM if they lose in 6. If Curry or Thompson were consistently terrific, even average, they would get it in a six game series I think. I guess Iguodala as good an option as anyone for the Warriors. But Lebron is all by himself. I go to him. You have to go to a grammar school game to find a guy who has to do so much for his team.

As great as Lebron has played, I am surprised that he is not a better post offensive player. He posts smaller weaker guys and doesn't finish enough for me. And I wish he took more jumpers, more catch and shoot to maybe get him more space. I have my phone in my pocket, and still Lebron isn't asking for my opinion on how he can get better. Go figure.
 
Look at James shooting %, then look at the shooting % for Curry- Steph Curry is the MVP if GS wins the Championship.
 
you can't go by shooting percentage...Curry has help, James is, just about, a one man team...and has to take many shots because of his team's loss of two stars.
Who ever wins is the MVP.
 
They are also w/o the guy who was supposed to play center fwiw.
 
Loser MVP? Living proof for how sour LeBron’s honor would be
By Mike Vaccaro

June 15, 2015 | 7:00pm

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CLEVELAND — Jerry West knows some things. He knows what it’s like to reach the NBA Finals and be turned away just as you can whiff the champagne. That happened to him an extraordinary EIGHT times in his playing career with the Lakers — six losses to the Celtics, two to the Knicks.

He knows what it is to be on top — he is the league logo, for goodness’ sake — and what it’s like to still absorb criticism. It’s probably why he took the extraordinary step of defending LeBron James last week even as West’s present team, the Warriors, for whom he serves as a consultant, in which he has an small ownership stake, was trying to hand LeBron a fourth pink slip from the Finals, put him halfway to West.

“To me,” West said, “the media ought to be embarrassed that they take him on.”

So it is probably worth revisiting something West wrote in his autobiography, “West by West,” four years ago, especially since we are nearing a moment when the people who vote for the Finals’ MVP may need to make a difficult decision. As you probably know by now, only one man in league history has taken home that trophy as a member of the losing team: Jerry West, 1969, after the Lakers lost a sixth time to the Celtics.

It has been Jeff Van Gundy who has been the loudest proponent of LeBron as MVP, win or lose, reaffirming that vote Sunday, during an extraordinary Game 5 in which James scored 40 points, had 14 rebounds, handed out 11 assists and was generally magnificent on both sides of the floor — as he’s been for four of the five games (the other, Game 4, he was merely terrific).

And you have to believe that if this happens, James won’t turn the trophy down. He reminded us, after all, after Game 5 that he does not believe in false modesty, saying matter-of-factly during his postgame press conference: “I feel confident because I’m the best player in the world. It’s simple.”

Hey, a lot of us have been calling him that for years. Why should he recuse himself?

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Back to Jerry West, though: In his memoir, West reflected on just how little of an honor he considered being a historical anomaly, essentially the world’s tallest midget, being honored as the best player from a losing team:

“I was rewarded, if you can call it that, with the MVP Award,” West writes. “I went to New York not long after to accept my booby prize, a brand-new, souped-up Dodge Charger — green, no less (it was probably intended for a Celtic).

“I felt like putting a stick of dynamite in it and blowing it up, right there in Manhattan. Criticize me if you want, but that’s how I felt. As a team, we had let down the fans and the city of Los Angeles.”

West’s reaction is not atypical, actually. Thirty-five years after Bobby Richardson had been named MVP of the 1960 World Series — and, honestly, it’s impossible to believe anyone but Bill Mazeroski could have been given that honor — Richardson was at Yankee Stadium for Old-Timers’ Day and remembered how conflicted he was.

“Bittersweet,” said Richardson, given the award because he hit .367, with a grand slam, two triples and 12 RBIs. “But my far better World Series memory came two years later,” 1962, when he snared what would have been a game-winning line drive off the bat of San Francisco’s Willie McCovey to end Game 7.

Similarly, Chuck Howley — MVP for the losing Cowboys in error-marred Super Bowl V — was able to feel a little bit better about taking part in winning Super Bowl VI the next year. “Much more satisfying,” he said in the aftermath of the Cowboys’ 24-3 drubbing of the Dolphins.

Maybe it would feel less odd if the NBA did what the NHL does with the Conn Smythe Trophy, designating that honor to the best player for the entire playoffs. Five players from losing teams have earned that distinction, most recently Jean-Sebastien Giguere of Anaheim in 2003.

But that’s not what the NBA trophy is for. It’s for MVP of the Finals. Stephen Curry may have started to turn this all into a moot point in Game 5 with his magnificent 37-point, seven-3s output, and if he performs similarly in the games remaining before a Warriors coronation, that could settle matters comfortably.

Of course, LeBron could do that, too. He could figure out a way to steal two more wins and complete this script he’s hinted at for five games, and if that happens it’s impossible to believe he won’t have a brilliant hand in it. That could make everybody (east of Northern California, anyway) happy. Maybe even a Golden State exec named Jerry West, deep in his heart of hearts.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/15/loser-mvp-living-proof-for-how-sour-lebrons-honor-would-be/
 
Well James declared himself the "best player in the world" yesterday, so I guess he thinks he deserves it.

The year the Ducks lost to the Devils in the Stanley Cup finals, they awarded the MVP to the losing goaltender. It was just plain stupid, but Broduer wasn't deemed good enough.
 
The series completely turned when they started playing AI9 for the entire game. Playing amazing defense on bron bron when its 1v1. And hes pitching in offensively. lastly, he totally called out lebron for faking every injury and exaggerating everything he does which imo gets the MVP.

I dont think a guy whose been jacked up on PEDs since highschool deserves the MVP when he loses. nahhh
 
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Andre is playing tough on both ends of the court, love the way he takes it strong to the basket.
 
Most Vain Player! LeBron James reveals ego as big as his game, could win NBA Finals MVP

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

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BY Frank Isola


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LeBron James is playing off the charts good in the NBA Finals, and he doesn't mind telling you about it.


CLEVELAND — LeBron James could be taking home a valuable piece of hardware on Tuesday, which in the grand scheme of things is like receiving a participation trophy.

At his current pace, LeBron is shoo-in to be named the Most Valuable Player of the NBA Finals even if the Golden State Warriors win the series in six or seven games.

James has the statistics and the media momentum — a select group of reporters vote for the award — to become the only player from a losing team to be named Finals MVP since The Logo, Jerry West, did it in 1969.

If it happens, James will have more Finals MVP’s (3) than championships (2). For the record, Michael Jordan is a perfect six and six, titles and MVPs. Remember that the next time someone makes a comparison between the two.

What James has done in these Finals is extraordinary. He’s recorded a pair of triple-doubles, including 40 points, 14 rebounds and 11 assists in Sunday’s Game 5 loss in Oakland. He’s averaging 36.6 points, 12.5 rebounds, 8.8 assists and has led the Cavs to two wins despite not having Kevin Love available and losing Kyrie Irving to a knee injury during overtime in Game 1.

No player has ever done more with less. And James is all too willing to remind everyone, including those media members with MVP votes, where he belongs in the basketball universe.

“I feel confident because I’m the best player in the world,” he said. “It’s that simple.”

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Stephen Curry (l.) is the regular season MVP, which reportedly doesn't sit well with James.

No one is denying that. Once Kevin Durant went down with a foot injury in October, this wasn’t even a compelling debate. That’s why it’s just a little odd that James felt the need to express those words, especially when the question had nothing to do with the title of “Greatest Player on the Planet.”

In fact, the question was “Do you feel a lot less pressure this Finals run just because you are undermanned and you had some injuries as opposed to previous years?”

It was during this same postgame press conference in which James said that Stephen Curry’s shooting is “not why we lost,” even though 15 of Curry’s 37 points came after James’ 3-pointer gave Cleveland its final lead with 7:47 left to play. In case you’re wondering, when Curry was asked about his 17-point fourth quarter he didn’t respond with, “Well, I’m the greatest shooter in NBA history.”

James is reportedly upset that he finished third in the MVP voting behind Curry and James Harden. Those same reports fail to address how LeBron reconciles missing two weeks of the regular season and his team finishing with fewer wins than Golden State and Houston.

LeBron feels that being the best player in the world should override those minor details. It’s as simple as that.

Of course, Curry deserved to be named MVP. He was the best player during the regular season and the Warriors’ 67 wins assures them of getting the final game of the NBA season on their home floor if the Cavs manage to avoid elimination on Tuesday. Remember that the next time someone tells you the regular season is meaningless.

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After proclaiming himself the world's best player, James needs to back it up in Game 6.

Curry and the Warriors have already won 82 games this season and will need one more to complete one of the more impressive and unexpected runs in league history. The Warriors trailed 2-1 in this series but found a rhythm in Game 4 and the talent disparity between the two clubs was evident again in Game 5. In both of those wins, Curry shot better and made more clutch baskets than James.

If Curry plays well in Game 6 and Golden State finishes off Cleveland, the baby-faced guard would put himself in contention to be named MVP. It’s a longshot because LeBron’s mesmerizing numbers through five games, combined with the Cavs’ depleted roster, make him tough to beat.

James certainly has it in him to carry his rag tag crew to two more victories. It will be a storybook finish and the defining moment of his career.

Otherwise, LeBron will walk home with another MVP trophy while watching someone else celebrate a title.

That would make him the World’s Greatest Runner-up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/isola-lebron-nba-finals-mvp-cavs-lose-article-1.2259152
 
The most valuable player and the most outstanding player in this series has been LBJ. No one is really close.

Valuable. Without LBJ the cavs get swept. Without curry or igadola maybe the series is 2-3 the other way. You switch lebron and curry and its a blow out sweep.

Outstanding well the numbers speak for themselves. Hes having one of the best finals ever.

With that being said there have been plenty of times the most valuable or most outstanding player was on the losing team and didnt get the award. Im fine with the most valuable winner getting the award and depending on game 6 or 7 it could be iggy or curry.
 
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Curry is super talented, but something rubs me the wrong way about him...

And Lebron... :cool:

Personally, I hope Iggy goes for 20+ again and fills the stat sheet in a win tonight.
 
Some trivia. In the 2004 NCAA Tournament, Seton Hall 80 Arizona 76 with Seton Hall coming from 14 pts down to win the game. Kelly Whitney had 24 pts, 14 Rebs and Andre Barrett had 19. Pts, 6 assists for Seton Hall while Andre Iguodala led Arizona with 19 pts. Good to see Andre win a NBA Championship after 11 yrs, played great defense and put up good #'s on offense, started the last three games and Golden State won all three games. Golden State NBA Champions and Andre the MVP!
 
Zach Braziller ‏@NYPost_Brazille 7h7 hours ago Queens, NY

@KBergCBS: J.R. Smith gliding through the hallways of Arena with a Coors Light in hand his feet on his hovercraft" He seems broken up


Zach Braziller ‏@NYPost_Brazille 7h7 hours ago Queens, NY

I'm sure it warms Cavs fans hearts to know JR is living it up after series loss.


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Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 7h7 hours ago

JR Smith told me he'll probably opt out of the final year, $6.4 million of his contract


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☕netw3rk ‏@netw3rk 6h6 hours ago

If JR can manage to play with KD one day, he'll have a real chance to let down most of the best players of his generation
 
Who on GS is better than any player but Lebron? Just about everyone. The starting usual five, Livingston, Igadola, Lee, Ezelil. It got painful to watch.
 
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