Need More CEO's Like This

[shu09]

Like it or not, this man is giving it to Americans straight when it comes to their health.

Whole Foods CEO John Mackey: The 'best solution' is to not need health care and for Americans to change how they eat and live

When it comes to reforming health care in the United States, Whole Foods CEO John Mackey says the "best solution" is for Americans to eat better and change their lifestyle.

www.cnbc.com

 

[SPK145]

Nobody wants to hear about personal responsibility anymore.

It's not my fault.................

 

[HALL85]

Go figure...common sense.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Nobody wants to hear about personal responsibility anymore.

It's not my fault.................

Healthcare at all levels is important

 

[Merge]

Go figure...common sense.

Saying that people should be more responsible about their health is something I believe we all agree with here. Did you read the whole thing though? He cited Singapore and Switzerland as examples of models that work. You on board with that?

 

[HALL85]

Saying that people should be more responsible about their health is something I believe we all agree with here. Did you read the whole thing though? He cited Singapore and Switzerland as examples of models that work. You on board with that?

With the examples he provided for those systems...yes! I never understood why we need insurance to pay for routine care. And giving people the option to buy insurance from non-profits. We have that here with some of the religious-based insurance programs that a few posters have touted. More competition the better.

I think the point he is making is that the first step in good health is personal responsibility (eating properly).

 

[Merge]

Nobody wants to hear about personal responsibility anymore.

It's not my fault.................

Well, with healthcare there are some things that are your fault and some that are not.
I agree those who are irresponsible with their health should pay more, but I am not sure why people who may have a chronic condition at no fault of their own should be penalized as well. Hard to balance that.

 

[Merge]

With the examples he provided for those systems...yes! I never understood why we need insurance to pay for routine care. And giving people the option to buy insurance from non-profits. We have that here with some of the religious-based insurance programs that a few posters have touted. More competition the better.

The swiss system is compulsory, and subsidized if the cost of your insurance is greater than a certain percentage of your salary. Maximum deductible of about $2,000.

So basically ACA exchanges but all insurers would be non-profit, deductibles go down and add the mandate back in and you are on board with it?

 

[HALL85]

The swiss system is compulsory, and subsidized if the cost of your insurance is greater than a certain percentage of your salary. Maximum deductible of about $2,000.

So basically ACA exchanges but all insurers would be non-profit, deductibles go down and add the mandate back in and you are on board with it?

Once again, he was pointing to aspects of the Swiss and Singapore systems that I would support. Don't take that as a quantum leap to support everything the system does.

 

[Merge]

Once again, he was pointing to aspects of the Swiss and Singapore systems that I would support. Don't take that as a quantum leap to support everything the system does.

They are models built on certain core principles and only work because of those principles though.

Everyone is covered
Coverage is not tied to workplace
Promote personal responsibility with out of pocket costs
Promotes capitalism but the government intervenes as necessary when/if the market fails to contain costs.

Both systems have that in common. Mackey wasn't citing those models because he agrees with one thing they are doing. He cited them because those models work.

 

[HALL85]

They are models built on certain core principles and only work because of those principles though.

Everyone is covered
Coverage is not tied to workplace
Promote personal responsibility with out of pocket costs
Promotes capitalism but the government intervenes as necessary when/if the market fails to contain costs.

Both systems have that in common. Mackey wasn't citing those models because he agrees with one thing they are doing. He cited them because those models work.

You got that from two sentences? Wow.

 

[Hallsome]

Mackey wasn't citing those models because he agrees with one thing they are doing. He cited them because those models work.

You have no idea why he cited them. You can only guess based on what the article says.

 

[Hallsome]

You got that from two sentences? Wow.

Smartest guy in the room. Just ask him or AlbanyMargateGuy.

 

[Merge]

You got that from two sentences? Wow.

No. I got that from researching differences in healthcare programs around the world and understanding what it means when he said that those models specifically work and what is different in those models vs the US system or Canada / UK etc.

 

[Merge]

You have no idea why he cited them. You can only guess based on what the article says.

Or.... listen to the podcast the article is talking about which he gives 45 minutes of context?

 

[HALL85]

Or.... listen to the podcast the article is talking about which he gives 45 minutes of context?

You have a lot of time on your hands. The article quotes two sentences. You can infer whatever you like from them, and I clearly said "with the examples he provided for those systems"...you decided to make it a discussion about the entire offerings of those countries. So go back to your podcast....but eat right before doing so.

 

[Merge]

You have a lot of time on your hands. The article quotes two sentences. You can infer whatever you like from them, and I clearly said "with the examples he provided for those systems"...you decided to make it a discussion about the entire offerings of those countries. So go back to your podcast....but eat right before doing so.

It's a good interview.

How to Succeed by Being Authentic (Hint: Carefully) - Freakonomics

How to Succeed by Being Authentic (Hint: Carefully) - Freakonomics

freakonomics.com

"What we should do in the United States is find a win-win-win solution. The win-win-win solution, to me, has to be one that keeps the efficiencies of the marketplace. People that think we have a capitalistic health-care system right now don’t understand free markets. Health care is the most regulated industry in the United States. We do not have free-market health care, and yet we know we need to have universal coverage, that we need to take care of our poorest, oldest, and weakest people. What I would do if I was president, I’d set up a commission to study the most successful health-care systems that are out there. And the two that stand out to me are Singapore and Switzerland. "

win-win-win meaning I win, you win, we all win.

"In some ways, Obamacare tried to take some of the elements of Switzerland’s health care, but they did not go far enough. I do think there are good models that work, that are out there. But we’re stuck in this intractable conflict between different political worldviews. We’re not looking for the win-win-win solutions. We’re looking for win-lose solutions — my way or the highway. And it’s created a lot of anger, a lot of disappointment, a lot of frustration. "

He wasn't "pointing to aspects" as you infer... but literally saying that the two stand out examples of the most successful healthcare systems in the world are Singapore and Switzerland.

Good effort, but probably just easier to say you don't agree with him.

 

[HALL85]

It's a good interview.

How to Succeed by Being Authentic (Hint: Carefully) - Freakonomics

How to Succeed by Being Authentic (Hint: Carefully) - Freakonomics

freakonomics.com

"What we should do in the United States is find a win-win-win solution. The win-win-win solution, to me, has to be one that keeps the efficiencies of the marketplace. People that think we have a capitalistic health-care system right now don’t understand free markets. Health care is the most regulated industry in the United States. We do not have free-market health care, and yet we know we need to have universal coverage, that we need to take care of our poorest, oldest, and weakest people. What I would do if I was president, I’d set up a commission to study the most successful health-care systems that are out there. And the two that stand out to me are Singapore and Switzerland. "

win-win-win meaning I win, you win, we all win.

"In some ways, Obamacare tried to take some of the elements of Switzerland’s health care, but they did not go far enough. I do think there are good models that work, that are out there. But we’re stuck in this intractable conflict between different political worldviews. We’re not looking for the win-win-win solutions. We’re looking for win-lose solutions — my way or the highway. And it’s created a lot of anger, a lot of disappointment, a lot of frustration. "

He wasn't "pointing to aspects" as you infer... but literally saying that the two stand out examples of the most successful healthcare systems in the world are Singapore and Switzerland.

Good effort, but probably just easier to say you don't agree with him.

You have this weird way of trying to argue obtuse points. The article mentions two sentences, and I specifically said "with the examples he provided" which were "Singapore, where individuals pay for routine care and insurance is used for large costs, and Switzerland, where people buy insurance from private nonprofits. " I gave my view on those two specific examples (which I agreed), but you have this need to turn it into my views on the entire healthcare systems of those two countries. I think you are trying way too hard....do less.

 

[Merge]

You have this weird way of trying to argue obtuse points. The article mentions two sentences, and I specifically said "with the examples he provided" which were "Singapore, where individuals pay for routine care and insurance is used for large costs, and Switzerland, where people buy insurance from private nonprofits. " I gave my view on those two specific examples (which I agreed), but you have this need to turn it into my views on the entire healthcare systems of those two countries. I think you are trying way too hard....do less.

I just though it was interesting to see your post about "common sense" when you really don't seem to agree much with Mackey. The reason why it stood out to me is that I agreed with what he was saying in his interview and have said similar things here but you typically disagreed.

 

[Hallsome]

I just though it was interesting to see your post about "common sense" when you really don't seem to agree much with Mackey. The reason why it stood out to me is that I agreed with what he was saying in his interview and have said similar things here but you typically disagreed.

It doesn’t take much to realize that 85 and others support his overall approach of people improving their health on their own

 

[Merge]

It doesn’t take much to realize that 85 and others support his overall approach of people improving their health on their own

Yep, but in the context of a 10+ year discussion about healthcare on this board, I hope the rest of Mackey’s message is also accepted as common sense as well.

 

[HALL85]

It doesn’t take much to realize that 85 and others support his overall approach of people improving their health on their own

Thanks...which was in fact the gist of the article...personal responsibility. It’s really not that hard to understand....for most of us. I also agree with Mackey in that he "advocated for less government control of health care in the United States". More common sense.

 

[SHUSA]

while i agree with the idea we can treat ourselves better (strong supporter of this), this is really out of touch for a millionaire. healthcare for a lot of people involves things you cant control. shoulda picked a different womb if you didnt want type 1 diabetes! just spend your average salary on my absurdly priced organic food, buy high tech fitness monitering devices, and dont stress! what are these idiots doing!

 

[HALL85]

while i agree with the idea we can treat ourselves better (strong supporter of this), this is really out of touch for a millionaire. healthcare for a lot of people involves things you cant control. shoulda picked a different womb if you didnt want type 1 diabetes! just spend your average salary on my absurdly priced organic food, buy high tech fitness monitering devices, and dont stress! what are these idiots doing!

Sometimes the truth hurts. No one is saying genetics does doesn’t impact some disease states, but to make excuses about the cost of a healthy diet or taking care of yourself with basic exercise is pretty lame. Taking a 20 minute walk around the block is free. It’s cheaper to boil a potato than supersize your fries. It’s a fact...if you don’t take care of your body, you will incur more health issues and more cost.

 

[HALL85]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/04/hav...t-healthcare-is-disbanding-after-3-years.html

Even three of the most brilliant CEO’s with significantl funding/resources and over a million employees to leverage can’t figure out a better insurance mousetrap. I had high hopes Haven would focus on advancing healthcare through, technology, genomic sequencing and the real cost drivers. Disappointed.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

While walking my dog tonight I had an idea on healthcare, which I believe should be accessible for all americans.

Couldn't we all be taxed a very small percentage each paycheck like we are for social security? Then use that money to get lower premiums for Americans that qualified? Essentially the money in the pot would be like a large corporation using their size to get the best rates on the private insurance market?

I dont know the ins and outs of healthcare, but was wondering the feedback on this rough idea.

 

[Merge]

While walking my dog tonight I had an idea on healthcare, which I believe should be accessible for all americans.

Couldn't we all be taxed a very small percentage each paycheck like we are for social security? Then use that money to get lower premiums for Americans that qualified? Essentially the money in the pot would be like a large corporation using their size to get the best rates on the private insurance market?

I dont know the ins and outs of healthcare, but was wondering the feedback on this rough idea.

We kind of do that already for Medicaid and subsidizing ACA exchange plans, unless you mean to expand that to all Americans instead of employer based coverage?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

We kind of do that already for Medicaid and subsidizing ACA exchange plans, unless you mean to expand that to all Americans instead of employer based coverage?

I was thinking of access for those that don't have healthcare offering thru employer, like someone who runs their own business. However, I think it could work as a general marketplace.

 

[shu09]

While walking my dog tonight I had an idea on healthcare, which I believe should be accessible for all americans.

Couldn't we all be taxed a very small percentage each paycheck like we are for social security? Then use that money to get lower premiums for Americans that qualified? Essentially the money in the pot would be like a large corporation using their size to get the best rates on the private insurance market?

I dont know the ins and outs of healthcare, but was wondering the feedback on this rough idea.

Nice idea in principle, but then you'd have the government running the program and distributing the money. Not good.

 

[Merge]

I was thinking of access for those that don't have healthcare offering thru employer, like someone who runs their own business. However, I think it could work as a general marketplace.

Similar in theory to the Medicare for all who want it plan that Buttigieg was proposing but privately run more like the Switzerland model mentioned above.

I’m all for it.

 

[Hallsome]

While walking my dog tonight I had an idea on healthcare, which I believe should be accessible for all americans.

Couldn't we all be taxed a very small percentage each paycheck like we are for social security? Then use that money to get lower premiums for Americans that qualified? Essentially the money in the pot would be like a large corporation using their size to get the best rates on the private insurance market?

I dont know the ins and outs of healthcare, but was wondering the feedback on this rough idea.

It’s a very good idea but those who want illegal immigrants to get health insurance will object

 

[Hallsome]

Similar in theory to the Medicare for all who want it plan that Buttigieg was proposing but privately run more like the Switzerland model mentioned above.

I’m all for it.

Similar in theory to the Medicare for all who want it plan that Buttigieg was proposing but privately run more like the Switzerland model mentioned above.

I’m all for it.

Bet you’re also for Switzerland’s stance on migrants too.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

It’s a very good idea but those who want illegal immigrants to get health insurance will object

If they pay taxes they'd be able to get the lower premiums in my plan

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Nice idea in principle, but then you'd have the government running the program and distributing the money. Not good.

It seems simple enough even the government couldn't screw it up. Everyone pays small tax, money is pooled, private insurance companies can choose yes or no to he involved in the plan, government pays them lump sums for lower premiums to any tax paying citizen.

What am I missing?

 

[HALL85]

Can I ask what the objective(s) of a plan like this would be? Are you looking to lower costs, improve access, improve quality of care? What are you trying to be accomplish?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Can I ask what the objective(s) of a plan like this would be? Are you looking to lower costs, improve access, improve quality of care? What are you trying to be accomplish?

Improve access to all taxpayers and lower the cost of premiums for those that currently pay absurd amounts on the marketplace. A relative of mine owns his own small business and his monthly premiums are extremely high.

 

[HALL85]

Improve access to all taxpayers and lower the cost of premiums for those that currently pay absurd amounts on the marketplace. A relative of mine owns his own small business and his monthly premiums are extremely high.

Ok thanks. Much appreciated. A lot of times people provide ideas or solutions without a stated goal. Healthcare is complicated and as we found with the ACA the original objectives changed dramatically once the legislation was approved.

IMO, we tend to focus a lot of conversation on the cost of insurance rather than the actual cost of care. Unless you really change those, you are really not going to impact the consumers Pocketbook.