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Disaponting to still see him at end of 2nd but as we've discussed, it is only a Mock and can't possibly account for all of the trades that will occur. The Celtics still have 8 picks, there is no way they keep them all and teams like the Knicks & Nets will be looking to trade for picks. I believe teams can include up to $3.5 Million in a trade so several teams with multiple picks could sell.
I think that his trust in his friend Lance Stephenson persuaded him and his family that he could do the same as Lance, that is, play his way into the NBA from the bottom over a number of years.
It sure looks like this is the hand of cards they will be dealt and will have to play. Regardless, he's a fine young man and I constantly wish him well.
It sure looks like this is the hand of cards they will be dealt and will have to play. Regardless, he's a fine young man and I constantly wish him well.
I agree, suprised he is being slotted so low, but so much that can happen.
In general, if he ended up here to the nuggets do most feel that leaving was probably not the best thing to do? I assume yes, but again it was his decision to make, I wish him nothing but the best.
He also has posted on instagram they are throwing an "after draft" party in nyc for those who wish to celebrate with him
In general, if he ended up here to the nuggets do most feel that leaving was probably not the best thing to do? I assume yes, but again it was his decision to make, I wish him nothing but the best.
He also has posted on instagram they are throwing an "after draft" party in nyc for those who wish to celebrate with him
But was a VERY likely possibility going into it.
There are so many variables to what can happen in the draft and how that affects IW that only when the draft is complete can we legitimately discuss whether his decision was a good one or not.
The great unknown in the draft is the international players. How many will be picked? Many teams will draft International players to get their rights knowing there will be plenty of quality players, Americans, that do not get drafted and are free agents. This is the danger that IW has faced because he was not a sure fire first rounder.
We shall see.
We shall see.
I think that is a manifest part of the danger. I would be seriously shocked to hear that he and his family were not well-briefed about these factors. This draft view is why most of us could not see him actually making the first round this year.
We'll see. I remain of the opinion that Lance Stephenson's model - which is a pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps kind of model - was so persuasive that they ignored the other inputs.
Anyway - we are left hoping for him. It will likely be a number of years journey and here's hoping he gets superb coaching during that journey.
Whitehead hasn't been in anyone's mock draft in the 1st round in any publication. This has been the case for months now. Hopefully everyone is wrong here and he gets picked a lot higher than what most think. If you're asking me today this looks like a bad decision declaring early but it only takes one team.
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What may work in his favor is that both the Knicks and Nets are projected to acquire picks and could look in his direction , especially the Knicks who need a PG, even if it's in the second round
Most of the Mock Drafts have 5 international players going in the First Round and no more then 3 in the second round which leaves 52 slots for American players and Isaiah is certainly one of the top fifty American players in the draft. The big question is whether he's viewed as one of the top 25 American players which would put him in the first round and if you believe the various Mock Drafts the consensus is he is not. Whether his various workouts have changed the perception that he is not a first rounder remains to be seen.
What may work in his favor is that both the Knicks and Nets are projected to acquire picks and could look in his direction , especially the Knicks who need a PG, even if it's in the second round
there are 55 people that may have more defined positions, or at least played more than one year in that position. 55 is probably too many, but 30 is very realistic
Exactly. This is the way to correctly constrain how many slots in the first round he has a reasonable chance at. It's a smaller number than 55 by far, none of us are experts and do not have any inside information, but heck, it's clear that unless he has been consistently appearing in the 30 and below range, he is highly likely to go second round.
For those who insist he's first round, it's really very hard to contort the arithmetic into his favor and make believe it will be so.
Naturally, and it should go without saying, we're all rooting for him like crazy. Just pretty concerned.
I think this one is a pretty fair / accurate assessment of IW..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...g-down-future-of-seton-halls-isaiah-whitehead
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...g-down-future-of-seton-halls-isaiah-whitehead
The hilarious thing to me is that Wade Baldwin will go top 15 and Whitehead will go in round 2. I am willing to bet big money Whitehead has a better pro career than Baldwin, who was totally unimpressive every time I saw him play
Well - I want to be with you on this observation. But. Here's what is holding me back. That Bleacher Report assessment was rather extensive and detailed - at least to my amateur eyes, and it was unsparing on our beloved IW's weaknesses. The efficiency is a potential killer of hope. When I (when one) watches an NBA game, guys who don't hit their shots do NOT get minutes.
My take is that staying one more year and banging up his efficiency big time is the thing that would have put him as a really hot prospect. He could prove it ahead of time and reap the rewards.
I also see so many odd-ball players in the NBA who are there because (a) they do their role and (b) they execute their role 100%. So if he is a 1 or 2, he has to nail the damned shots all the time.
I wish he had stayed, amped that part of his game up significantly and then got his entry.
I am open, 125, to your wiser thoughts on why I'm all wet on this stuff (because I'm just another blue-glasses-idiot on a message board, LOL).
With more talent playing with him Whitehead will be more efficient forcing less. Unlike in college he won't have to be the 'man'.
Even with that said I think he made a big mistake entering the draft. Hope he proves me wrong.
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 8h8 hours ago
Seton Hall's Isaiah Whitehead had 11 games last season with seven or more assists. Elite passer. Needs to cut down on turnovers. #shbb
Even with that said I think he made a big mistake entering the draft. Hope he proves me wrong.
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 8h8 hours agoSeton Hall's Isaiah Whitehead had 11 games last season with seven or more assists. Elite passer. Needs to cut down on turnovers. #shbb
My take, the rap on IW is his lack of explosive athleticism or unusual positive physical feature (ie Baldwin's wingspan). And they will be be the rap on him next year too. So he decided to get in the game and begin proving them wrong on the court.
I tend to agree with this. But he would have looked great in Pirate Blue next season and I think he would have helped himself somewhat.
That's definitely a factor but guy's with similar athleticism can go in the 1st round (Valentine from MSU off top of my head). The bigger red flag in a stat-driven culture is his efficiency and decision-making which he could have proved with another year. I believe the times and jumping numbers are not nearly as important as on-court ability and track record.
This actually isnt that true. There are plenty of NBA guys who arent that good at shooting and get minutes. plenty of PGs too. But there definitely arent minutes for guys who cant play defense at an NBA level or turn it over at an obnoxious rate. two things i would worry about more for IW over shooting.
Should have written what I mean more clearly. The next paragraph in my post was more on target. I mean - whatever is your role, you have to do it 100% or you do not get onto the floor. So - if you are a shooter, you have to hit them all (which means, you are completely efficient). I marvel at the importance of the well-defined roles, there are guys, like you say, who get on the floor who do not shoot well at all, but their role is very specific, it's not about shooting. How true it is, that being a star in college is hardly a predictor for the needs of a professional team. Just like in the workplace.
The NBA is made up of complete players who do a number of things well and role players whose skill set is limited but yet the player fills a specific need or role and sees minutes and in many cases that role player has a long and successful career.
We know that Isaiah is not that complete player at this point in time nor do we yet know if he has a skill set that will allow him to make an NBA roster but ,IMO, he does possess an upside that would allow him to become an NBA player . I think he'll get that chance as a second round pick and I'm looking forward to hearing his name called.
We know that Isaiah is not that complete player at this point in time nor do we yet know if he has a skill set that will allow him to make an NBA roster but ,IMO, he does possess an upside that would allow him to become an NBA player . I think he'll get that chance as a second round pick and I'm looking forward to hearing his name called.
Oh ok yea. I believe his shooting wont be a concern for NBA scouts as much as other things. He wont be "the man" on an NBA team so i see his # of shots going way down, % up, and hopefully better shot selection. He has shown NBA range as well.Should have written what I mean more clearly. The next paragraph in my post was more on target. I mean - whatever is your role, you have to do it 100% or you do not get onto the floor. So - if you are a shooter, you have to hit them all (which means, you are completely efficient). I marvel at the importance of the well-defined roles, there are guys, like you say, who get on the floor who do not shoot well at all, but their role is very specific, it's not about shooting. How true it is, that being a star in college is hardly a predictor for the needs of a professional team. Just like in the workplace.
According to Zach Braziller, Isaiah will work out with the Rockets today, Bucks Monday, Pelicans Tuesday. Teams Isaiah has worked out for Sixers # 24, #26, Pacers #20, #50, Knicks (no pick yet), Clippers #25, #33, Rockets #37, #43, Pelicans #39,#40, Bucks #36, #38, Nets #55. This can change based on trades etc.
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Whitehead is definitely a top 50 player in this draft right now. I'd say he's even a top 25 player. But is he a top 25 or 50 player 3 years from now? And that is why I think he's a 2nd rounder to a lot of these teams
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