NJ requiring 2nd graders to learn gender ideology

[jmt6762]

New Jersey to require 2nd graders learn about gender identity in fall, alarming parents

The New Jersey Department of Education is pushing for a more robust sex education curriculum that teaches gender theory to kids just leaving kindergarten.

www.foxnews.com

 

[jmt6762]

 

[SHUSA]

children are free from gender bias. they already dont think about it. why are we forcing them to think about it?

 

[HALL85]

After seeing this nonsense, go back and read the article on Will Hurd in the Atlantic. At least one person gets it.

 

[ed odowd]

Tyranny of the minority in action.BLM becomes a real estate company, student loans should be forgiven,criticism of left leaning black judge is racist, young children should be taught gender identity,money must be taken from the rich and given to poor even if poor don’t want to work,open borders so left can retain power etc.Are the majority of Americans so uniformed that they believe the march to socialism is a good thing ? let’s hope not, but there are actually people who think AOC and Bernie have the right prescription for the country and we have to resist their elementary school understanding of economics.

 

[SHallguy2]

children are free from gender bias. they already dont think about it. why are we forcing them to think about it?

Teaching racism and gender bias is part of dumbing down the population. My kids school was teaching that blacks were treated unfairly in first grade. The kids were all friends with a clean slate, by the time the idiots were done the black children were ashamed and felt different. Racism is past down from one generation to the next sad but true. Now they are going to confused the hell out of kids by giving them a choice of their sexuality.

 

[HALL85]

We absolutely have to teach history, even the ugly parts. But I would draw the line in that teachers should not be teaching students how to feel about what they should do moving forward. That’s the job of parents and the student to determine as well.

 

[PiratePride]

From ed odowd's post: "Are the majority of Americans so uniformed that they believe the march to socialism is a good thing ?"

Unfortunately, I think that young inexperienced voters tend to follow the MSM or nothing at all and either way, they are either ill-informed or mis-informed.

 

[Merge]

children are free from gender bias. they already dont think about it. why are we forcing them to think about it?

As a parent, I can assure you that statement is not correct. Kids have a very strong gender bias.

Gender norms for kids is something they learn from their environment. Everything they get is gendered from diapers to toys. Most will either be a part of a "moms group" or they will be raised by a nanny. I didn't say female nanny there. We all just assume that will be a woman.

My wife does the school drop off and pick up most of the time but when I go, the far majority of parents or caretakers there are women. A stay at home mom is normal. A stay at home dad is very abnormal from their perspective.

Kids take all that in because that's the world they grow up in.

Talking about gender roles and stereotypes isn't a bad thing for elementary school. Gender identity though is a different topic that I believe would be inappropriate.

 

[shu09]

My wife does the school drop off and pick up most of the time but when I go, the far majority of parents or caretakers there are women. A stay at home mom is normal. A stay at home dad is very abnormal from their perspective.

Unrelated question: Why does seemingly every parent drop their child off at school these days? Why don't they take the school bus? The traffic outside most schools in the morning is ridiculous because of all the parents driving their kids themselves rather than taking the bus.

I took the bus to school 99% of the time.

 

[PiratePride]

Flood Gov Murphy's Mail box with your concerns about this overreach of the state government. He has been in the pocket of the teacher's unions and is VERY lucky to still be governor.

If you are the parent of k-3 students you must voice your strong concerns. All citizens should speak up. Improve education by focusing on math, science, reading, etc.

 

[Merge]

Unrelated question: Why does seemingly every parent drop their child off at school these days? Why don't they take the school bus? The traffic outside most schools in the morning is ridiculous because of all the parents driving their kids themselves rather than taking the bus.

I took the bus to school 99% of the time.

In our town you need to live 2 miles away from the school for them to offer the bus. We are fairly densely populated so very few people actually qualify for it for elementary school at least.

 

[jmt6762]

From ed odowd's post: "Are the majority of Americans so uniformed that they believe the march to socialism is a good thing ?"

Unfortunately, I think that young inexperienced voters tend to follow the MSM or nothing at all and either way, they are either ill-informed or mis-informed.

And when they hear socialist like bernie and aoc shout "free this and free that" of couse they will gravitate towards them

 

[Hallsome]

As a parent, I can assure you that statement is not correct. Kids have a very strong gender bias.

Gender norms for kids is something they learn from their environment. Everything they get is gendered from diapers to toys. Most will either be a part of a "moms group" or they will be raised by a nanny. I didn't say female nanny there. We all just assume that will be a woman.

My wife does the school drop off and pick up most of the time but when I go, the far majority of parents or caretakers there are women. A stay at home mom is normal. A stay at home dad is very abnormal from their perspective.

Kids take all that in because that's the world they grow up in.

Talking about gender roles and stereotypes isn't a bad thing for elementary school. Gender identity though is a different topic that I believe would be inappropriate.

Nice spin book keeper
If you posted here less perhaps you could do a pick up

 

[Pirata]

Gender bias and gender identity are two very different things.

I believe there are appropriate topics around gender bias that can be taught at an early aged. Gender identity, a big no.

As far as bias, I think there is a balance between letting kids be kids and teaching them things. Things that promote girls (future women) to dream big and be anything they want is a good thing. I recall years ago being confused when I first heard the many of the great chefs in the world were men. Same thing when I first heard about a male nurse.

On the flip side, its ok to believe girls have coodies up until a certain point.

 

[Merge]

Gender bias and gender identity are two very different things.

I believe there are appropriate topics around gender bias that can be taught at an early aged. Gender identity, a big no.

As far as bias, I think there is a balance between letting kids be kids and teaching them things. Things that promote girls (future women) to dream big and be anything they want is a good thing. I recall years ago being confused when I first heard the many of the great chefs in the world were men. Same thing when I first heard about a male nurse.

On the flip side, its ok to believe girls have cooites up until a certain point.

Agree with all of that.

Here is what the NJ standard says for k-2

1.2.SSH.1: Discuss how individuals make their own choices about how to express themselves.
2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior.

I get where people may interpreted as them teaching kids about identity, but since that is more explicitly stated for later grades, my guess is that those lessons would be more about trying to prevent bullying for kids that may be different especially considering the next part is about bullying.

2.1.2.SSH.9: Define bullying and teasing and explain why they are wrong and harmful.

I'm not a big fan of ambiguity for something like this so I think they should be more upfront and clear about what the lesson plans will look like for each grade though.

 

[SHUSA]

imo gender roles are pretty much trending away (at least for a good prt of the population) for millennials. was just talking to my good friend about this. our dads couldnt cook a grilled cheese, do a wash, dishwasher, or even find tea at a grocery store. i do all of the typical (wife) things. never even blinked twice. whoever has time or knowhow to do something in the relationship does it. same with my friend. maybe one day ill have a family with a stay at home parent but it wont be based on gender. it will be whatever is best for the family

 

[Section112]

I have friends that are stay at home Dads. I know a bunch in my former town. It's more and more common than you think and kids see that and that has been true for the better part of the last 15-20 years in my experience.

This recommended curriculum is pretty crazy especially for younger kids. I hope parents go ballistic.

If we have learned one thing we need to focus more on reading, writing and arithmetic. Our kids are falling behind because we are so focused on teaching them so much other stuff. Also making the teacher's lives much harder and we are losing teachers left and right. The political machines keep raging on and F'n up our society and education system. And if I hear one more time, "if the teachers don't teach it, no one will" which is only true in a small % of homes. Teachers should teach that it's OK to be different and be kind to everyone and leave it at that and reward those behaviors. The rest should focus on teaching reading, writing, arithmetic, history and science.

 

[ed odowd]

Is the thought here the progressives want to indoctrinate the very young before their little minds conclude boys are boys and girls are girls like the way it was up till a few years ago ? I guess the next hot topic will be white privilege and slavery justifies paying reparations now, and Jessie and Reverend Al determine how much and who gets paid.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Agree with all of that.

Here is what the NJ standard says for k-2

1.2.SSH.1: Discuss how individuals make their own choices about how to express themselves.
2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior.

I get where people may interpreted as them teaching kids about identity, but since that is more explicitly stated for later grades, my guess is that those lessons would be more about trying to prevent bullying for kids that may be different especially considering the next part is about bullying.

2.1.2.SSH.9: Define bullying and teasing and explain why they are wrong and harmful.

I'm not a big fan of ambiguity for something like this so I think they should be more upfront and clear about what the lesson plans will look like for each grade though.

Hey Merge, is this the new proposed curriculum? If so, can you share a link?

I have not been able to find this anywhere, and no credible news sources seem to be giving this any attention that I could find. I just cant believe fake news sources like Breibardt or The Millennium Times are sharing the truth on this issue or that our public schools would be this stupid to be getting into the intimate details of human sexual organs with 2nd graders.

 

[SHUSA]

Hey Merge, is this the new proposed curriculum? If so, can you share a link?

I have not been able to find this anywhere, and no credible news sources seem to be giving this any attention that I could find. I just cant believe fake news sources like Breibardt or The Millennium Times are sharing the truth on this issue or that our public schools would be this stupid to be getting into the intimate details of human sexual organs with 2nd graders.

dont aasume the stupidity of schools these days. its a not the same world

 

[Section112]

Hey Merge, is this the new proposed curriculum? If so, can you share a link?

I have not been able to find this anywhere, and no credible news sources seem to be giving this any attention that I could find. I just cant believe fake news sources like Breibardt or The Millennium Times are sharing the truth on this issue or that our public schools would be this stupid to be getting into the intimate details of human sexual organs with 2nd graders.

Not fake news.Approved in 2020 but now getting real because it is to be implemented in September 2022. Some of the recommended lesson plans floated by the state are just seeing the light of day including labeling private parts by 2nd graders.

Do New Jersey's new sex education standards go too far? Some say yes

Some critics and state board members objected, saying the standards would violate parents' rights to teach about sensitive subjects.

www.northjersey.com

Asbury Park Press

www.app.com

 

[Merge]

Hey Merge, is this the new proposed curriculum? If so, can you share a link?

I have not been able to find this anywhere, and no credible news sources seem to be giving this any attention that I could find. I just cant believe fake news sources like Breibardt or The Millennium Times are sharing the truth on this issue or that our public schools would be this stupid to be getting into the intimate details of human sexual organs with 2nd graders.

Sure, it is available here.

Comprehensive Health and Physical Education

Comprehensive Health and Physical Education, 2020 NJSLS-CHPE, curriculum, resources, K-12

www.nj.gov

 

[Merge]

Not fake news.Approved in 2020 but now getting real because it is to be implemented in September 2022. Some of the recommended lesson plans floated by the state are just seeing the light of day including labeling private parts by 2nd graders.

Do New Jersey's new sex education standards go too far? Some say yes

Some critics and state board members objected, saying the standards would violate parents' rights to teach about sensitive subjects.

www.northjersey.com

Asbury Park Press

www.app.com

But at the same time none of those lesson plans have been adopted.

Like I said, I don't like the ambiguity but I think it may be a little early to grab the pitchforks.

 

[Section112]

But at the same time none of those lesson plans have been adopted.

Like I said, I don't like the ambiguity but I think it may be a little early to grab the pitchforks.

Yes but the recommended approach to implementing the curriculum is completely over the top. Hopefully reasonable minds prevail but again the focus is all wrong. We take our kids and teacher's away from what is important and that is teaching the basics to our kids instead of spending so much time on this stuff. My daughter is a teacher and she is great with kids and has been teaching for about 8 years and is so fed up with the states constantly changing the curriculum and telling them what to teach and she says there is not enough time for math and reading in second grade. Political agendas over what the kids really need is the ongoing BS that has to stop and unfortunately so many of the school boards are now into the agenda instead of what is best for the kids. My former town of Randolph NJ is a perfect example.