Hall is no. 1 among power conference teams:
No. 1 in adjusted efficiency improvement since Christmas
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Not sure I can ever remember a Pirate team that improved as much as this group.
After the Rutgers game I really doubted my profile of the team posted on the Trove after being invited by Sha to a preseason full practice.
What I saw that day was a far cry from the team we saw in the OFC schedule. I actually told Hallrox that if I had to have my back surgery and miss the remaining season (in person) that I could not have chosen a better year.
Then came the UConn game and magically the team I saw in October, especially the starting 5, came out of nowhere and my preseason projection of #6 seemed realistic and in fact maybe a bit too low.
Still a ways to go, but now watching the games is must see TV again and on Sat Dec 9th who would have thunk it?
After the Rutgers game I really doubted my profile of the team posted on the Trove after being invited by Sha to a preseason full practice.
What I saw that day was a far cry from the team we saw in the OFC schedule. I actually told Hallrox that if I had to have my back surgery and miss the remaining season (in person) that I could not have chosen a better year.
Then came the UConn game and magically the team I saw in October, especially the starting 5, came out of nowhere and my preseason projection of #6 seemed realistic and in fact maybe a bit too low.
Still a ways to go, but now watching the games is must see TV again and on Sat Dec 9th who would have thunk it?
2016 is damn close. Team that lost to GW and LBSU. Team where everyone was benched for the last 12 minutes in the second week of January at home vs Creighton. 2003 as well
And we were down 10 early to Connecticut!
Insane. Speaks to what can happen if you stay at it with effort and messaging.
Insane. Speaks to what can happen if you stay at it with effort and messaging.
Clearly the team has responded well. I was skeptical even after the Marquette win, but they got hot at the right time. For me, the 3OT loss to Creighton really spoke volumes. Yes, we lost, but a lot of people think Creighton is a better team than their ranking and we hung with them right until the end.
Consistency will be critical, and if the team can continue to perform as they are capable, it should be a decent year. Far exceeded my expectations so far!!
Consistency will be critical, and if the team can continue to perform as they are capable, it should be a decent year. Far exceeded my expectations so far!!
I was so unhappy. Not only were we losing, but a Seton Hall team lead by Shaheen was losing, and looking pretty bad as we lost.
And then, the exhilaration fix was back in my life. And the monkey was off my back.
And then, the exhilaration fix was back in my life. And the monkey was off my back.
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2002-03 with Louis Orr and Andre Barrett is another. We had an abysmal non-conf, started BE I think 1-4. Won 9 straight to get onto the Bubble, including a couple Top Ten wins at home. Finished BE 10-6, got snubbed for NCAAT. Orr earned BE COY.
Carried over to a great 2003-04 season, including that memorable NCAAT win over Arizona.
Carried over to a great 2003-04 season, including that memorable NCAAT win over Arizona.
You’re right. It was 0-3 then won 2 and lost 1 to 2-4, then the 9 game winning streak. But 1 of the 9 was St. Peter’s, so 8 consecutive BE to get to 10-4.
Then blowout loss at Pittsburgh followed by that brutal OT loss at Providence to end the RS 16-11, 10-6.
What a complete 180 and tremendous job by Sha, his staff, and his players. You knew Sha wouldn’t quit on the season after the Rutgers loss but his players could have. Instead they rallied and they’re in a position to control their own destiny. Hats off to everybody!
Coach Sha may be at the beginning of an unprecedented tenure as coach of the program. Our trajectory is up for years to come with him if we keep things up and he has the tools to succeed.
And forget the Name Image and Likeness for a second, you have to be totally behind him because we're witnessing the molding of a tough win at all costs program in his Image.
And forget the Name Image and Likeness for a second, you have to be totally behind him because we're witnessing the molding of a tough win at all costs program in his Image.
I think it was mentioned somewhere, after that game we had the annual players only meeting. All is well. Next year whoever's back needs to hold it after the first scrimmage.
As stated by others, team play in Nov/Dec to present is like Night & Day. Has truly brightened a dull, dreary winter in New Jersey. This combined with the New York Knickerbocker resurgence, to one of the better NBA teams, has made 2024 Hoops season a blessing to this SHU/Knicks fan.
Keep it coming!
Keep it coming!
I'll say it again if only a grown man could count to 5. ...ughhh
I remember you noting that on this board and I couldn't stop thinking about it as the team started rolling!
Yeah and if any of 3 grown men could count to 5 in 2003 we would've been assessed a technical foul and lost at Georgetown, which started a 9 game winning streak. Nobody complained about that. Officials have been making bad calls for years. It happens. I can guarantee it will happen in every single game we play this year win or lose. Some of those bad calls will even go in our favor.
This year had another meeting. Idk if it was players only, but it was around the time of the Missouri game and was framed as an “airing out” according to the quote (I think it was Dawes who brought it up? Not sure).
Sometimes teams need such things. They’re only human. Whatever works mentally, I guess.
It was before the Missouri game and it was Kadary who said it during an interview. That meeting apparently changed the course of the season. What a ride.
At first glance this looks pretty good. At second glance, not so much. Most of these teams are mediocre at best, some of them flat out bad.
Good for us that we're No. 1. Here are W/L records since Christmas.
1 - SHU 6-3
2 - ND 2-7
3 - Wake Forest 5-4
4 - TCU 6-3
5 - Maryland 5-4
6 - LSU 4-4
7 - Stanford 6-4
8 - Texas Tech 7-2
9 - Tennessee 6-2
10 - Texas 5-5
11 - South Carolina 7-2
12 - North Carolina 9-1
13 - Vanderbilt 1-7
14 - Oregon State 3-7
15 - Iowa 5-4
Good for us that we're No. 1. Here are W/L records since Christmas.
1 - SHU 6-3
2 - ND 2-7
3 - Wake Forest 5-4
4 - TCU 6-3
5 - Maryland 5-4
6 - LSU 4-4
7 - Stanford 6-4
8 - Texas Tech 7-2
9 - Tennessee 6-2
10 - Texas 5-5
11 - South Carolina 7-2
12 - North Carolina 9-1
13 - Vanderbilt 1-7
14 - Oregon State 3-7
15 - Iowa 5-4
Damn you put in a lot of thought of these.
But that’s not the point of the tweet.
It’s impossible for most of these teams to be good because that would mean they were bad the first two or so months of the season and thus have a not-very-good overall record.
I thought that would be obvious.
I'm a data guy, what can I say. It's not hard to look up 15 teams. Lol.
While I understand that most of these teams may have struggled, I would think there would be a correlation in increased efficiency and wins. Seeing ND at No. 2 while going 2-7 in an ACC that most consider down is pretty jarring.
You’re absolutely a research guy. I do appreciate that.
I’m actually surprised to see teams like North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas Tech on the list. I know South Carolina has had some pretty good wins lately so I get them on there. Same as Texas Tech. Wake is decent, but in a very average ACC. Most if not all of those teams are NCAA tournament worthy.
It’s also an interesting list because Texas seems to have been not so good lately, but they’re on the list.
The only bad teams on the list are Notre Dame, Vanderbilt and Oregon State. The others are probably mid-conference good/bad with possibilities of going in either direction. Including us
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