Positives with Sha..I guess

[williaza01]

Know someone who was scheduled to interview for an open assistant position but it was canceled because that assistant is staying

The positive part: most inside industry people told person to go for the job because there is no real thought Sha is any kind of trouble for any foreseeable future..it’s the thought of our power players that this has been a total lack of resources given and he’ll be given loads of time..so it’s not career suicide to join his staff

Negative side: it seems Sha has an even worse rep now with lots of the industry than before, with many thinking he is widely incompetent and we have no shot

 

[HallLine69]

Know someone who was scheduled to interview for an open assistant position but it was canceled because that assistant is staying

The positive part: most inside industry people told person to go for the job because there is no real thought Sha is any kind of trouble for any foreseeable future..it’s the thought of our power players that this has been a total lack of resources given and he’ll be given loads of time..so it’s not career suicide to join his staff

Negative side: it seems Sha has an even worse rep now with lots of the industry than before, with many thinking he is widely incompetent and we have no shot

So can you name 3 or 4 of the "many" who think he is "widely incompetent"?

 

[williaza01]

So can you name 3 or 4 of the "many" who think he is "widely incompetent"?

from what I was told seems like 50-60% of anyone my contact has contact with so that would be the ACC, Big East, A10, MAAC, and a few nba scouts

So take your pick

 

[shu09]

If you take off the blue colored glasses, I think it's pretty obvious. Not sure I'd use the word incompetent yet, but maybe "over his head" is a nicer way to put it.

 

[The_Hall]

but it is very much related to total lack of resources. you say that like its BS.

regardless of when we can touch money, when was the last time SHU and resources was used positively in a sentence?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

but it is very much related to total lack of resources. you say that like its BS.

regardless of when we can touch money, when was the last time SHU and resources was used positively in a sentence?

I read he went to the elite 8 with less resources. Just think what he can do here.

 

[SOBO1]

I think it’s fair to say that seton hall has a lot of inherent challenges. I also think it’s fair to say Sha has made the job harder by several self inflicted wounds.

It’s easy to excuse or give benefit of the doubt when a winning coach makes decisions that are perceived to be bizarre, but when you are one of the worst teams in the nation you lose that benefit of the doubt and thoughts of incompetence creep into people’s mind.

 

[Hall Is Life]

but it is very much related to total lack of resources. you say that like its BS.

regardless of when we can touch money, when was the last time SHU and resources was used positively in a sentence?

Big, bright, shiny, new practice facility.

 

[Piratz]

If you take off the blue colored glasses, I think it's pretty obvious. Not sure I'd use the word incompetent yet, but maybe "over his head" is a nicer way to put it.

I think is nicer but also more accurate. He’s not incompetent as a coach. He could be successful at the high major level. He was 23-17 in the BE after his first two seasons.

But it was going to be a big adjustment as-is when he took over bc he’s conditioned to do everything from SPU and that’s also his stubborn personality. He went from being a media king to the total opposite. The circumstances also changed with NIL + transfer rules, exploiting his weaknesses, unfortunately.

 

[HallLine69]

from what I was told seems like 50-60% of anyone my contact has contact with so that would be the ACC, Big East, A10, MAAC, and a few nba scouts

So take your pick

So, all hearsay.

 

[williaza01]

So, all hearsay.

Yea sure if that makes you feel better

 

[The_Hall]

I read he went to the elite 8 with less resources. Just think what he can do here.

he did that during a completley different time. and he could bring a team to the elite 8. hes done it. would take longer in this day and age. teams are now super teams .

 

[SOpirate]

The resource issue and Sha are one. As the head coach he bears at least some, if not a majority of the blame for the program’s financial state. Like it or not fundraising is now a critical part of any HM coaches resume.

I don’t doubt what OP has heard, but if that’s what the people in charge really think then Sha probably won’t ever be on the hot seat.

 

[The_Hall]

The resource issue and Sha are one. As the head coach he bears at least some, if not a majority of the blame for the program’s financial state. Like it or not fundraising is now a critical part of any HM coaches resume.

I don’t doubt what OP has heard, but if that’s what the people in charge really think then Sha probably won’t ever be on the hot seat.

lol

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

he did that during a completley different time. and he could bring a team to the elite 8. hes done it. would take longer in this day and age. teams are now super teams .

Yeah thankfully we’re only behind those super teams of fordham, Hofstra, DePaul and butler.

either Sha is going to work the phones to bring in the money to create something that can compete with the super teams or we’re eventually going to have to give someone else a try.

 

[radecicco]

How about our AD gets on the phone and raises some money.

 

[The_Hall]

Yeah thankfully we’re only behind those super teams of fordham, Hofstra, DePaul and butler.

either Sha is going to work the phones to bring in the money to create something that can compete with the super teams or we’re eventually going to have to give someone else a try.

what i mean is that you have to go through super teams in the tournament now. maybe you missed all of the 1 seeds run right through to the final 4 last year.

what's laughable is that you think the money is because of Sha. not because of the inept BOR , who literally laughed at the idea of NIL, and the fact we have no donors that care. Because shu is a mediocre school that doesn't produce the type of alumni, nor has it given many people a reason to donate. Sounds like we have one whale and he doesn't care about basketball. St. john's has a whale who does.

we could have hired pitino, and who donor would start donating? oh wait we could have never signed pitino because he would never go to a pathetic school like seton hall. especially resource wise, which he just so happened to mention.

but no, our coach isn't hitting the phones hard enough! lol who the hell is he calling? u got names?

Seton Halls major issues can't be hidden anymore . its over.

 

[The_Hall]

The resource issue and Sha are one. As the head coach he bears at least some, if not a majority of the blame for the program’s financial state. Like it or not fundraising is now a critical part of any HM coaches resume.

I don’t doubt what OP has heard, but if that’s what the people in charge really think then Sha probably won’t ever be on the hot seat.

wait, the lack of major donors that literally don't exist is shas fault? if the whale kurtz doesn't like basketball, you think the basketball coach can get his money??

was it the coach who laughed at the idea of NIL and royally screwed the program?

this board is filled of idiots who absolutely cannot see the picture clearly. its grim, sha or not.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

How about our AD gets on the phone and raises some money.

coaches got a lot more money at stake than ADs. If I’m making 3 mil, I’m not relying on my AD making $300k to make sure I keep my 3 mil job.

 

[its haLL baLL]

Sha isn't bad at coaching basketball. I think it is fair to say he is bad at identifying talent, negotiating NIL deals, building a coaching staff, fundraising, and dealing with the media.

 

[radecicco]

coaches got a lot more money at stake than ADs. If I’m making 3 mil, I’m not relying on my AD making $300k to make sure I keep my 3 mil job.

That’s the ‘effing AD’s job, to raise money. Look what Rutgers is looking for in their new AD— someone who can raise money.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Sha isn't bad at coaching basketball. I think it is fair to say he is bad at identifying talent, negotiating NIL deals, building a coaching staff, fundraising, and dealing with the media.

He forgot about Samuel on the bench and can’t design an offense to save his life but other than that, not too bad.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

That’s the ‘effing AD’s job, to raise money. Look what Rutgers is looking for in their new AD— someone who can raise money.

Look at SJU, and it’s the head coach working the alums. Pitino said he’d work a hot dog cart if he had to. He’s not begging the AD to raise more funds. Amazing schools like ND, PSU have money for football but not basketball. Schools like UConn and MSU have money for basketball and not for football. AD’s must have great fund raising skills one day and not the next. Or the coach matters

 

[HallBall02]

You both are right. One of the primary roles of both the AD and Coach ( in big boy basketball and football) are absolutely to fundraise.

Yes Sha was doing the media circuit after St. Peter’s and then when he got to the hall became the opposite which is not what we need, we need a face to fundraise and get donors and fans excited.

Sha doesn’t take all the blame but he has some of it.

 

[The_Hall]

That’s the ‘effing AD’s job, to raise money. Look what Rutgers is looking for in their new AD— someone who can raise money.

one of the main reasons willard left maryland

people would kill to get willard here. he's really the savvy relationship guy???

 

[TomD82]

“It’s very difficult for me to go out and ask for money, but I’ve gotten good at it,” Pitino said. “I never really liked it before in my 45 years. I would rather give money than ask for money. We have a routine: I go in, talk basketball, talk the old days, talk the Knicks, Michael Jordan, and then I leave and have [general manager] Matt [Abdelmassih] hit them for the money. So I don’t have to directly ask them.”

 

[Fishjam]

“It’s very difficult for me to go out and ask for money, but I’ve gotten good at it,” Pitino said. “I never really liked it before in my 45 years. I would rather give money than ask for money. We have a routine: I go in, talk basketball, talk the old days, talk the Knicks, Michael Jordan, and then I leave and have [general manager] Matt [Abdelmassih] hit them for the money. So I don’t have to directly ask them.”

Working as a team. Everyone has their role, work is delegated and everyone performs or is passed over. Sha, pay attention.

 

[radecicco]

Fair enough, but after Holloway talks about the old days and then our AD walks in and asks for money, are you going to give it to him?

 

[TomD82]

Fair enough, but after Holloway talks about the old days and then our AD walks in and asks for money, are you going to give it to him?

Then maybe there is a need for a GM. Are Abdelmassih and Kull so articulate that people will give to SJU, but SHU doesn't have a stategy never mind having someone who can articulate the strategy to donors? Why the hell wouldn't Sha be talking about going coast to coast and hitting the shot to beat Oregon, going to the elite 8 with SPU and then somebody comes into the room to close the deal?

And where is Lyons in all this? NIL was a pipe dream when he was at Providence so he doesn't have anything from there to apply at SHU? Section 112 and others have posted what PC is doing to engage fans and donors.

 

[radecicco]

Ok, we talk about Holloway, some new GM, Lyons. How about we talk about the AD, the guy who should have the primary responsibility for reaching out to alumni and other potential donars. BTW, Lyons is very much removed from athletics.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

“It’s very difficult for me to go out and ask for money, but I’ve gotten good at it,” Pitino said. “I never really liked it before in my 45 years. I would rather give money than ask for money. We have a routine: I go in, talk basketball, talk the old days, talk the Knicks, Michael Jordan, and then I leave and have [general manager] Matt [Abdelmassih] hit them for the money. So I don’t have to directly ask them.”

Call me skeptical, but I don't think Slick Rick is giving out their process to the world. I just don't think Slick Rick is relying on others for his success. He's dirty, he's ruthless, flat out he's a win at all costs competitor. He may work in partnership with many people but he's calling the shots.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Ok, we talk about Holloway, some new GM, Lyons. How about we talk about the AD, the guy who should have the primary responsibility for reaching out to alumni and other potential donars. BTW, Lyons is very much removed from athletics.

Name of the game is fundraising today. If the AD's were so important in raising funds, AD's would be more valuable than coaches. Schools would be poaching AD's more than coaches.

 

[PF58]

Name of the game is fundraising today. If the AD's were so important in raising funds, AD's would be more valuable than coaches. Schools would be poaching AD's more than coaches.

spot on ,,, not just ADs, school is not investing enough in the Development Department. More importantly the president is integral in getting in front of HNW alumni to support the school , not only Pirate Blue.. Katia, as interim was on the right path with my interactions with the development group. I was sorry to see her exit. But hell, Gonzaga is not a bad gig.

 

[silkcitypirate]

They missed the boat by not hiring Katia .

 

[PF58]

They missed the boat by not hiring Katia .

yup

 

[ShuPirate2007]

spot on ,,, not just ADs, school is not investing enough in the Development Department. More importantly the president is integral in getting in front of HNW alumni to support the school , not only Pirate Blue.. Katia, as interim was on the right path with my interactions with the development group. I was sorry to see her exit. But hell, Gonzaga is not a bad gig.

Absolutely mind boggling that the school did not elevate Passerini

 

[The_Hall]

“It’s very difficult for me to go out and ask for money, but I’ve gotten good at it,” Pitino said. “I never really liked it before in my 45 years. I would rather give money than ask for money. We have a routine: I go in, talk basketball, talk the old days, talk the Knicks, Michael Jordan, and then I leave and have [general manager] Matt [Abdelmassih] hit them for the money. So I don’t have to directly ask them.”

its shas fault tho!

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

its shas fault tho!

Yeah because Pitino is the most honest, transparent guy out there. He wants everyone to know how they’re having success. He had no clue his players were being bought girls. Trusting him on the details is a brilliant idea. Lol

For shits and giggles, let’s say Pitino is being honest, LOL. What’s Sha out there doing with Felt?

 

[Fishjam]

Fair enough, but after Holloway talks about the old days and then our AD walks in and asks for money, are you going to give it to him?

If they were consistently fan friendly year round and didn't just keep us in the dark and feed us bs I would.

If they demonstrated a cohesive approach and a strategic plan to player acquisition and retention.

If they were honest and shared where we stood in comparison with our BE peers.

If they asked for money when spirits are high and explained what they plan to do with the money.

Almost the entire fan base was in a state of euphoria when Sha was hired. Instead of sending him on a PR tour and denying the reality of NIL, he should have been sent on a fundraising tour. Would have raised a nice amount to get us started.

Coming off the NIT run, again many fans were very proud of how the team dealt with the snub. Would have been an ideal opportunity to fundraise with the message we had to keep Dre and Kadary and needed $2 Million to keep them both.

 

[dehere23]

Yeah because Pitino is the most honest, transparent guy out there. He wants everyone to know how they’re having success. He had no clue his players were being bought girls. Trusting him on the details is a brilliant idea. Lol

For shits and giggles, let’s say Pitino is being honest, LOL. What’s Sha out there doing with Felt?

I don’t think Pitino is revealing “state secrets” with that quote. He’s describing what most programs probably do on the fundraising point and interaction via the GM or AD. Or both. The reality is that most every high major coach has always worn multiple hats, whether it be coaching, recruiting, promoting and raising funds.

I am sure it is also easier to raise $$ when it’s going to a team coached by a guy on the Mt Rushmore of college coaches, who is one of the best program builders and coaches over the past 40 years.