Ranking the coaches to date

[Halldan1]

A little late as this is usually posted Tuesday

1. Hurley 14-0 3-0
Runaway

2. Miller 11-3 3-0
Props have to be given

3. Smart 10-4 2-1
Providence O/T loss drops him a spot

4. Cooley 11-3 3-0
Moving up

5. McDermott 8-6 2-1
Cream starting to rise

6. Anderson 11-3 1-2
Trending in the wrong direction

7. Neptune 7-6 1-1
Treading water

8. Holloway 7-7 0-3
Another poor effort at Marquette

9. Matta 8-6 0-3
Dropping like a lead balloon

10. Stubblefield 7-7 1-2
Won the Battle of the Basement last night

11. Ewing 5-9 0-3
Last Big East win, March 13 2021

 

[Hall Is Life]

I think your list is spot on. I do expect Anderson to continue to drop as you noted. He’s on borrowed time.

 

[shu09]

1. Hurley
2. Smart
3. Miller
4. Cooley
5. Neptune
6. McDermott
7. Anderson
8. Stubblefield
9. Holloway
10. Matta
11. Ewing

 

[jdavispirates]

1. Hurley
2. Cooley
3. Shaka
4. Miller
5. Neptune
6. Anderson
7. McDermott
8. Matta
9. Stubblefield
10. Sha
11. Ewing

 

[jdavispirates]

A little late as this is usually posted Tuesday

1. Hurley 14-0 3-0
Runaway

2. Miller 11-3 3-0
Props have to be given

3. Smart 10-4 2-1
Providence O/T loss drops him a spot

4. Cooley 11-3 3-0
Moving up

5. McDermott 8-6 2-1
Cream starting to rise

6. Anderson 11-3 1-2
Trending in the wrong direction

7. Neptune 7-1 1-1
Treading water

8. Holloway 7-7 0-3
Another poor effort at Marquette

9. Matta 8-6 0-3
Dropping like a lead balloon

10. Stubblefield 7-7 1-2
Won the Battle of the Basement last night

11. Ewing 5-9 0-3
Last Big East win, March 13 2021

Hard to put Shaka ahead over Cooley. Prov beat them head to head and have better record + undefeated in conference. McDermott way too high. They were preseason top 5 and have lost 6 games before Xmas.

 

[shu09]

Marquette was picked 9th in the preseason poll and Shaka has them rolling with a top 10 offense. Losing a double OT road game to PC doesn't mean anything. Every team loses on the road in conference play. PC was picked 5th and looks to be right around that level. The Friars are a good team, but they only have one quality win to date - the aforementioned double OT home win against Marquette.

Marquette smoked Baylor by 26, nearly knocked off Purdue in West Lafayette and beat Creighton handily. No question who has the better resume at this point, it's Marquette.

 

[SPK145]

1. Hurley

2. Smart
3. Miller
4. Cooley

5. McDermott
6. Neptune

7. Anderson
8. Matta
9. Holloway

10. Stubblefield
11. Ewing

 

[jdavispirates]

Marquette was picked 9th in the preseason poll and Shaka has them rolling with a top 10 offense. Losing a double OT road game to PC doesn't mean anything. Every team loses on the road in conference play. PC was picked 5th and looks to be right around that level. The Friars are a good team, but they only have one quality win to date - the aforementioned double OT home win against Marquette.

Marquette smoked Baylor by 26, nearly knocked off Purdue in West Lafayette and beat Creighton handily. No question who has the better resume at this point, it's Marquette.

Prov has better record than Marq.
Prov has better conf record than Marq.
Prov beat Marq.
Marq almost beat Purdue.
Marq beat a bad Creighton team w/out Kalk

LOL you’re delusional

 

[Halldan1]

Kenpom

23

Marquette

BE

10-4

+18.61

47

Providence

BE

11-3

+14.16

 

[radecicco]

Prov has better record than Marq.
Prov has better conf record than Marq.
Prov beat Marq.
Marq almost beat Purdue.
Marq beat a bad Creighton team w/out Kalk

LOL you’re delusional

Marquette beat Baylor. For me, that pushes them ahead of PC. But we’ll see what happens when they match up.

 

[shu09]

Prov has better record than Marq.
Prov has better conf record than Marq.
Prov beat Marq.
Marq almost beat Purdue.
Marq beat a bad Creighton team w/out Kalk

LOL you’re delusional

Marquette beat Baylor by 26. Prov has beaten nobody outside of a squeaker at home vs. MU.

Again, Shaka Smart and MU were picked 9th. They are having a great season to date, far exceeding expectations. Ed Cooley and PC were picked 5th. They are having a good season, meeting expectations to date. Shaka has done a much better job than Cooley to date. Ed has done a good job, Shaka has done a great job.

Citing conference records on Dec. 30 after 3 games and overall records after a slate of cupcakes? Really? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, you're the same guy who said the game at Creighton won't be difficult for Seton Hall. LOL! 🤡

 

[Hall Is Life]

Prov has better record than Marq.
Prov has better conf record than Marq.
Prov beat Marq.
Marq almost beat Purdue.
Marq beat a bad Creighton team w/out Kalk

LOL you’re delusional

Every single one of the parameters you listed doesn’t hold water except for the head to head matchup, which was played at Providence.

Dan listed the Kenpom rankings. If you look at NET, MU is #24 and PC is #65.

Also—
SOS: 88 vs 163 in favor of MU
OOC SOS: 114 vs 288 in favor of MU

There is a lot of season left but Marquette also passes the eye test. They’re better than Providence.

 

[SHUSA]

what is georgetown waiting for? theyre basically content on finding rock bottom

 

[Halldan1]

Providence

Tue Nov 8		207	Rider	W, 66-65			Home	1-0
Sat Nov 12		247	Northeastern	W, 89-65			Home	2-0
Tue Nov 15		330	Stonehill	W, 100-76			Home	3-0
Sat Nov 19		40	Miami FL	L, 74-64			Neutral	3-1
Sun Nov 20		75	Saint Louis	L, 76-73			Neutral	3-2
Wed Nov 23		351	Merrimack	W, 71-57			Home	4-2
Sat Nov 26		343	Columbia	W, 78-64			Home	5-2
Wed Nov 30		37	TCU	L, 75-62			Away	5-3
Sat Dec 3		204	Rhode Island	W, 88-74			Away	6-3
Wed Dec 7		320	Manhattan	W, 99-59			Home	7-3
Sat Dec 10		324	Albany	W, 93-55			Home	8-3
Sat Dec 17		67	Seton Hall	W, 71-67			Away	9-3	1-0
Tue Dec 20		22	Marquette	W, 103-98		2OT	Home	10-3	2-0
Thu Dec 29		91	Butler	W, 72-52			Away	11-3	3-0

 

[SOpirate]

Marquette was picked 9th in the preseason poll and Shaka has them rolling with a top 10 offense. Losing a double OT road game to PC doesn't mean anything. Every team loses on the road in conference play. PC was picked 5th and looks to be right around that level. The Friars are a good team, but they only have one quality win to date - the aforementioned double OT home win against Marquette.

Marquette smoked Baylor by 26, nearly knocked off Purdue in West Lafayette and beat Creighton handily. No question who has the better resume at this point, it's Marquette.

Providence also shot 30 (!) more free throws in that game than Marquette did

 

[Halldan1]

Marquette

Mon Nov 7		214	Radford	W, 79-69			Home	1-0
Thu Nov 10		270	Central Michigan	W, 97-73			Home	2-0
Tue Nov 15		7	Purdue	L, 75-70			Away	2-1
Thu Nov 17		356	LIU	W, 95-58			Home	3-1
Mon Nov 21		38	Mississippi St.	L, 58-55			Neutral	3-2
Wed Nov 23		117	Georgia Tech	W, 84-60			Neutral	4-2
Sat Nov 26		310	Chicago St.	W, 82-68			Home	5-2
Tue Nov 29		15	Baylor	W, 96-70			Home	6-2
Sat Dec 3		35	Wisconsin	L, 80-77		OT	Home	6-3
Tue Dec 6		201	North Carolina Central	W, 90-78			Home	7-3
Sun Dec 11		105	Notre Dame	W, 79-64			Away	8-3
Fri Dec 16		23	Creighton	W, 69-58			Home	9-3	1-0
Tue Dec 20		47	Providence	L, 103-98		2OT	Away	9-4	1-1
Tue Dec 27		67	Seton Hall	W, 83-69			Home	10-4	2-1

 

[TheHall87]

Providence also shot 30 (!) more free throws in that game than Marquette did

I believe the announcers during our game with Marquette said they don't get to the line very much. In our game we shot 22 free throws compared to 11.

For the season we are 358 attempts, PC is at 339 and Marquette is at 247 all in 14 games.

 

[jdavispirates]

I’m not arguing that Marq doesn’t have a better non conf schedule or is even better than prov, but right now on Dec 30th Cooley has to be ahead of Smart. It probably won’t last but to date he has earned it!

 

[jdavispirates]

Marquette beat Baylor. For me, that pushes them ahead of PC. But we’ll see what happens when they match up.

They did match up. Prov won

 

[jdavispirates]

Every single one of the parameters you listed doesn’t hold water except for the head to head matchup, which was played at Providence.

Dan listed the Kenpom rankings. If you look at NET, MU is #24 and PC is #65.

Also—
SOS: 88 vs 163 in favor of MU
OOC SOS: 114 vs 288 in favor of MU

There is a lot of season left but Marquette also passes the eye test. They’re better than Providence.

It actually does hold weight because we are talking about to date!!! I agree with you guys that Marq is better than Prov, but to date that has not happened.

 

[radecicco]

They did match up. Prov won

On the road, in double OT, and shooting 30 more FTs. Can’t wait for the game at MU.

 

[MBF72]

We'll see what happens today at the Rock, but there seems very little space among the bottom four.

 

[Piratz]

I'd put Smart just ahead of him for now too because MU's overall performance is better than PC's and they were picked much lower. But Cooley has done a real good job with those new players. You can see it taking form, the team developing. Hopkins and Croswell are taking off. They're going to get better and better as a team. But their non-conference schedule was such a joke (SHU's non-conf resume is better) they need to make hay in conference.

Smart has really developed those players. They've stepped in seamlessly after losing Lewis and Morsell. Ighodoro is one of the most underrated players in the BE.

I think Providence finishes ahead of Marquette in the final standings.