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Or really good? Performance > identity politics.
One thing I never understood about checking the boxes. You end up setting people up for failure when the lack the knowledge or leadership capabilities to begin with. I do believe diversity of thought and background make for a stronger organization, but lowering standards (like the LA mayor is suggesting for the police force) or hiring/electing someone that is totally incompetent. Just dumb.
 
One thing I never understood about checking the boxes. You end up setting people up for failure when the lack the knowledge or leadership capabilities to begin with. I do believe diversity of thought and background make for a stronger organization, but lowering standards (like the LA mayor is suggesting for the police force) or hiring/electing someone that is totally incompetent. Just dumb.
In the 1990's a lot of Police Departments in NJ started to require a 4 year college degree prior to getting the job. Studies show that officers with the 4 year degree had less civilian complaints lodged against them, lower incidents of arrests requiring use of force, less use of deadly force, and higher productivity.

Along came the NAACP with lawsuits claiming that a 4 year degree is unfair to a certain segment of society. The government officials were scared and caved to the pressure. They not only eliminated the 4 year degree requirement, they also lowered written test standards to get the job. Test scores for some remained at 80% while others only were required 70%. Physical standards were also deemed racist so the physical test was done away with as well. Now officers only have to have a clean bill of health to get the job.

All of the above has led to smaller, weaker and dumber officers patrolling the streets. Use of force has gone up, civilian complaints have gone up, productivity as gone down, and the public perception of police is at an all-time low.
 
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She didn't do the job and she lost the election. That is the way politics should work.
Exactly but she should have never been nominated, much less elected in the first place. Need to stop promoting crappy candidates and overlooking their deficiencies because they check a box.
 
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Exactly but she should have never been nominated, much less elected in the first place. Need to stop promoting crappy candidates and overlooking their deficiencies because they check a box.
She wasn't appointed. She was elected. Many horrible candidates get elected. And when they prove themselves to not be worthy, they should be kicked out. It is not like Lori Lightfoot had some lightweight credentials. She went to the University of Chicago Law School. It is one of the best law schools in the country. She was an Assistant US Federal Prosecutor, She worked in private practice. You are making it out like she didn't have the resume to become mayor. She certainly did. She just wasn't a good mayor.

We should congratulate Chicago for recognizing that she was ineffectual and moving on to a new direction. I am going to assume that Paul Vallas has to be the front runner to win.
 
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She wasn't appointed. She was elected. Many horrible candidates get elected. And when they prove themselves to not be worthy, they should be kicked out. It is not like Lori Lightfoot had some lightweight credentials. She went to the University of Chicago Law School. It is one of the best law schools in the country. She was an Assistant US Federal Prosecutor, She worked in private practice. You are making it out like she didn't have the resume to become mayor. She certainly did. She just wasn't a good mayor.

We should congratulate Chicago for recognizing that she was ineffectual and moving on to a new direction. I am going to assume that Paul Vallas has to be the front runner to win.
Just because she’s an attorney doesn’t mean she has the leadership qualities and skill set to be a mayor.
She obviously had a lot of support and money from influential people to be able to succeed and be elected. Shame on them for propping up horrible candidate. See labels for more important to them.

And I agree, good for the people of Chicago for recognizing what a train wreck she is and getting her tossed out of office. Maybe they’ve also learned a valuable lesson.
 
Just because she’s an attorney doesn’t mean she has the leadership qualities and skill set to be a mayor.
She obviously had a lot of support and money from influential people to be able to succeed and be elected. Shame on them for propping up horrible candidate. See labels for more important to them.

And I agree, good for the people of Chicago for recognizing what a train wreck she is and getting her tossed out of office.
You made it sound like she was clearly deficient for the job. What were her deficiencies that were so obvious that would outweigh her credentials? If you graduated from a top tier law school, certainly you are qualified to be a mayor. Now, she wasn't good at the job and that happens and is a different story. There are plenty of smart well educated people that are not good at being policiticans or being a mayor or Senator or Congressman. And you never know how a person will be at their job until they do it.

It happens the other way too. A person who may not have the credential or the respect of many people and then turns around being amazing. The example of this turns out to be Harry Truman. A guy who was a haberdasher and was propped up by the corrupt political boss of Missouri that he was referred to as the Senator from Pendergast. He then turns out to be one of the greatest Presidents in US history who made consequential decision after consequential decision.
 
You made it sound like she was clearly deficient for the job. What were her deficiencies that were so obvious that would outweigh her credentials? If you graduated from a top tier law school, certainly you are qualified to be a mayor. Now, she wasn't good at the job and that happens and is a different story. There are plenty of smart well educated people that are not good at being policiticans or being a mayor or Senator or Congressman. And you never know how a person will be at their job until they do it.
You’re equating being an attorney from a good school with having the skill sets to be a good mayor. Just because your lawyer, does that mean you have the pre-requisite leadership skills, background to manage a budget and different constituents? Would that mean an astrophysicist would make a great mayor?
It happens the other way too. A person who may not have the credential or the respect of many people and then turns around being amazing. The example of this turns out to be Harry Truman. A guy who was a haberdasher and was propped up by the corrupt political boss of Missouri that he was referred to as the Senator from Pendergast. He then turns out to be one of the greatest Presidents in US history who made consequential decision after consequential decision.
Once again, it’s not about the job that you’re currently doing, but rather the skills you need to operate successfully in that role. I really don’t know much about Truman’s background, but maybe he was a good businessman that had the ability to get things done and bring consensus. It wasn’t about the color of his skin or sexual orientation, which somehow has become more important than ability.
 
You’re equating being an attorney from a good school with having the skill sets to be a good mayor. Just because your lawyer, does that mean you have the pre-requisite leadership skills, background to manage a budget and different constituents? Would that mean an astrophysicist would make a great mayor?

Once again, it’s not about the job that you’re currently doing, but rather the skills you need to operate successfully in that role. I really don’t know much about Truman’s background, but maybe he was a good businessman that had the ability to get things done and bring consensus. It wasn’t about the color of his skin or sexual orientation, which somehow has become more important than ability.

I agree, I don't really see how being a graduate of a top-tier law school qualifies you to hold one of the biggest mayoral jobs in the country. On an unrelated note, a guy I graduated from SHU with went to Harvard Law and is now one of the most popular DJ's in Chicago. Go figure.
 
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You’re equating being an attorney from a good school with having the skill sets to be a good mayor. Just because your lawyer, does that mean you have the pre-requisite leadership skills, background to manage a budget and different constituents? Would that mean an astrophysicist would make a great mayor?

Once again, it’s not about the job that you’re currently doing, but rather the skills you need to operate successfully in that role. I really don’t know much about Truman’s background, but maybe he was a good businessman that had the ability to get things done and bring consensus. It wasn’t about the color of his skin or sexual orientation, which somehow has become more important than ability.
There is a reason why so many attorneys get into politics and government. Law is intertwined with government. Thus, attorneys are deemed to be qualified just by being attorneys. Now, that doesn't mean they will be good at it. Just means they certainly have the qualifications. Those are two different things.

You specifically stated "Exactly but she should have never been nominated, much less elected in the first place. Need to stop promoting crappy candidates and overlooking their deficiencies because they check a box."
What are the deficiencies prior to her taking the job as Mayor that made her a crappy candidate?

 
There is a reason why so many attorneys get into politics and government. Law is intertwined with government. Thus, attorneys are deemed to be qualified just by being attorneys. Now, that doesn't mean they will be good at it. Just means they certainly have the qualifications. Those are two different things.
That opinion coming from an attorney...that's precious. Having a law degree doesn't mean your anymore qualified than a Marketing MBA, Surgeon or Architect. It just means you went to college.
You specifically stated "Exactly but she should have never been nominated, much less elected in the first place. Need to stop promoting crappy candidates and overlooking their deficiencies because they check a box."
What are the deficiencies prior to her taking the job as Mayor that made her a crappy candidate?
I don't know, but I saw nothing in her actions that made me think she was anywhere qualified.
 
That opinion coming from an attorney...that's precious. Having a law degree doesn't mean your anymore qualified than a Marketing MBA, Surgeon or Architect. It just means you went to college.

I don't know, but I saw nothing in her actions that made me think she was anywhere qualified.
Res ipsa loquitor, as attorneys like to say!
 
There is a reason why so many attorneys get into politics and government. Law is intertwined with government. Thus, attorneys are deemed to be qualified just by being attorneys.

Maybe for Congress but certain inly not for being a Mayor or Governor. Those are executive positions. More akin to being a CEO.
 
That opinion coming from an attorney...that's precious. Having a law degree doesn't mean your anymore qualified than a Marketing MBA, Surgeon or Architect. It just means you went to college.

I don't know, but I saw nothing in her actions that made me think she was anywhere qualified.
If you can't see the natural relationships between lawyers and government/politicians, I don't know what to tell you. When over half of Congress are attorneys and half of the Presidents have been attorneys, it is kind of hard to argue that relationship. Go back to our Founding Fathers when 25 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were lawyers and 32 of the 55 framers of the Constitution were lawyers.

Pirata, a s far as governors go, looks like attorneys are the most represented profession out there. 16 of the 50. fast-facts-about-americas-governors.
 
If you can't see the natural relationships between lawyers and government/politicians, I don't know what to tell you. When over half of Congress are attorneys and half of the Presidents have been attorneys, it is kind of hard to argue that relationship.
Maybe that explains the 12% approval rating of Congress. Maybe it's more like lawyers who aren't very good, get into politics.
Go back to our Founding Fathers when 25 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were lawyers and 32 of the 55 framers of the Constitution were lawyers.

Pirata, a s far as governors go, looks like attorneys are the most represented profession out there. 16 of the 50. fast-facts-about-americas-governors.
 
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Maybe that explains the 12% approval rating of Congress. Maybe it's more like lawyers who aren't very good, get into politics.
Dead on, top 1/3 of the class of lawyers cannot think logically, 2nd third make the best lawyers and last 1/3 make the most money. Guess which 1/3 represents the politicians.
 
All seriousness aside, I don't think there is a single academic discipline that prepares you comprehensively for political life.

A JD is certainly a good thing to have, mostly IMO for the critical thinking and ability to read and interpret. As far as any specific knowledge of the law I think it's like other degrees. You get introduce to topics and until you actually go out and practice, you don't really have a thorough understanding.

With lawyers, engineers, doctors, techies, they too often get caught up in their own lingo and can't related well to people outside their sphere. I posted once before about engineers will correct someone for using the word velocity instead of speed.

I had several government clients. Most of them sorely lacked business acumen.

If they ever crafted a wider bachelors degree that included the classics arts curriculum augments with some poly sci, international relations, accounting finance, science, engineering, and law, it would be a home run.

The problem is to fit all that into 120 credits.

The thing that no degree will ever teach is the overall political process to get things done.

Idea > groundwork > > relationships > consensus building > formal construction > votes > adopted law or policy

IMO, politics and government has become less bout governance and stewardship and more about theater, elections, public relations, image, and of course power.
 
Another clown who claims racism when they lose.She was overwhelmingly elected in 2019 but now claims voters became racists in the four years up to 2023.
 
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