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RIP Bobby Wanzer

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A Seton Hall great. R.IP. We were like the Rochester Royals feeder school in the 50's. Bobby Davies , Bobby Wanzer, and of course , Richie Regan. Just typing those names gives me pride.
Never forgotten.
 
He was an All-American at Seton Hall. Wish we had seen a little more about that.
 
A Seton Hall great. R.IP. We were like the Rochester Royals feeder school in the 50's. Bobby Davies , Bobby Wanzer, and of course , Richie Regan. Just typing those names gives me pride.
Never forgotten.

Former Pirates Pep Saul and Chuck Connors also played with Wanzer and Davies at Rochester. Walter Dukes grew up in Rochester but never played for them Legend has it that Bob Davies saw him play in HS and called then SHU Coach Honey Russell to get up there and recruit Walter.

Just as an aside anorther member of the Royals for one year was NFL Hall of Famer Otto Graham.

Tom K
 
Wanzer was a 3 time all NYC player in HS, I read somewhere. Imagine playing for one of the original Celtics, Honey Russell. Lapchick at St John's was, too. They probably took Wanzer to the Automat on his recruiting trip. Lol. RIP!
 
Wanzer was a 3 time all NYC player in HS, I read somewhere. Imagine playing for one of the original Celtics, Honey Russell. Lapchick at St John's was, too. They probably took Wanzer to the Automat on his recruiting trip. Lol. RIP!
The automat at 42nd and third no doubt.

Mike, where've you been. Sammy the boxer- what was his last name? Zei gesundt- R.I.P.
 
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Ah, Horn & Hardhart. I remember eating there with my dad on several occasions. He had an office on 42nd Street. Getting food out of a window. Cool!
 
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The automat at 42nd and third no doubt.

Mike, where've you been. Sammy the boxer- what was his last name? Zei gesundt- R.I.P.
Farber, Sammy Farber. As someone said, the greatest generation. Sammy not only won in the first NYC Golden Gloves in 27, but also is in the NY Jewish Sports Hall of Fame. He was a bowling ball of a man, when he was a runner for a specialist firm whem i met him in his 90s. Fought and lost a couple, three title bouts with a guy named Pete Sanstol. He loved it when everyone here wished him well after his wife passed. I often thought of mentioning, "what would Sammy do," as before I'd just ask him, hey Sammy the Pirates lost two In a row and they're going into Pitt, which never loses at home. Hpw wold you handle it as a fighter?" He felt like a champ again after everyone thanked Sammy for his insights. He had a lot of stories, as you could imagine. He's a movie, ran a bar frequented ny Mobsters and disarmed two muggers per a NY TIMES story.

Nice photo in the Wanzer AP story, uncropped, he's next to Bob Davies and Red Holtzman. About 12 years ago, I sat across from Pep Saul at an informal dinner with a bunch of Pirate fans here. He mentioned Wanzer, that's exactly how he called him, many times in the night. Don't recall any stories, but you definitely got the feel that that these two were pretty close, playing college and pro together. It was a pleasure to be around such greatness.

The AP story only said Wanzer was a NYC HS standout for two years. I read all city 3 times somewhere. If so, only Jabbsr (née Lew Alcindor) and Dean Meminger of Rice would be in that group. True or not, Wanzer was greatness on and off the court.
 
Thanks Mike. They don't make guys like Wanzer, Saul, Holtzman and Sammy Farber like they used to.
 
Dan and Tom,

I never saw Bobby Wanzer play, as he completed his time at Seton Hall in 1947, the year before I was born. However, I do recall a wonderful first-hand report from "bucbee" about a game on February 8, 1947 that featured a head-to-head matchup of Wanzer against Bob Cousy........two stars enshrined in the Hall of Fame at Springfield, Massachusetts. From the SHU Media Guide, I see that the final score of that game was Holy Cross 44 and Seton Hall 43. Holy Cross went on to win the NCAA title that year, finishing with a 27-3 record and beating Oklahoma 58-47 in the NCAA Finals.
Could you check into the Rivals archives to find that post from bucbee and share it with us ? A long shot, I realize but if it isn't too difficult to find, it was a very good read, Thank you.
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Bobby Wanzer in Perspective

Enshrined in the Basketball Hall of Fame, located at Springfield, Massachusetts in 1987

1. The combined record of the two SHU teams that Bobby Wanzer played for was 40-5.

2. Bobby does not show up on SHU's list of 500+ point scorers because he lost three seasons and one or two years of varsity eligibility in service to his country as a member of the United States Marine Corps. The SHU Media Guide credits him with an 8.8 ppg average for the (1942-43) season (projects to a maximum of 158 points). The SHU Media Guide also shows a 11.6 ppg average for Wanzer during the (1946-47) season [projecting a season total of 313 points and an SHU career total of 471 points].

3. Given his NBA FTM percentage records, Bobby Wanzer is most likely among the career leaders for Seton Hall in Free Throw shooting percentage. Unfortunately, however, the SHU Media Guide has no FT percentage records for seasons prior to the 1950s decade.

4. NBA records show that Wanzer made 80.3% of his free throws in 607 regular season games........87.4% of his free throws in 49 NBA Playoff games................and 85.7% of his free throws in 5 NBA All-Star games. He was also the first player in NBA history to shoot better than 90% (377/417 = 90.4%) from the line throughout a full, regular season.

5. After leaving the Hall, Bobby Wanzer joined the Rochester Royals of the NBL and Rochester went on to win the NBL title in Wanzer's (1947-48) rookie season. Before the next (1948-49) season began, the NBL was absorbed by the BBAA and that combined league was renamed to be the same National Basketball Association ("NBA") we are familiar with today.

6. In Rochester's inaugural (1948-49) NBA season, Wanzer led the Royals with 82.3% free throw shooting (3rd in the league, overall). Bobby was 6th in the NBA in shooting percentage from the field and 10th in the NBA in assists. The Royals finished first in the NBA's Western Conference regular season standings but lost to the (then Minneapolis) Lakers in the semifinal playoff round.

7. During the next (1949-50) season, Wanzer paced the Royals in FG% (41.4% = 3rd in the NBA overall); FTA and FTM. His 80.6% FT% ranked him 10th in the NBA for that year. Despite the fact that the (1949-1950) Royals set an all-time NBA home winning percentage record of .971 (33-1), they only finished tied for 1st place with the Lakers and lost a divisional tie breaker game to the Lakers before losing in the first round of the NBA playoffs to the (then Fort Wayne) Pistons.

8. Bobby Wanzer's (1950-51) Rochester Royals were the NBA Champions !

Wanzer led this (1950-51) NBA Champion team in FT% and was 2nd in the entire league; making 85% of his free throws. He also shot better than 40% from the field for the second time in what would become three consecutive seasons of 40%+ accuracy........in an era when 30% was closer to the norm than 40%. The Royals defeated the New York Knicks in the NBA Finals that season; 4 games to 3.

9. For the NBA's (1951-52) season, the Royals finished 1st in the Western Division for the regular season but fell to the Lakers in the divisional final playoff round. Wanzer was named a member of the All-NBA's Second Team [recognizing him as one of the league's top ten players] and he played for the Western Division in the league's All-Star game at Boston that season. Bobby became the first player in NBA history to surpass 90% accuracy in free throw shooting; leading both the Royals and the entire league with his 90.4% figure. His shooting percentage from the field (42.5%) was 4th best for the entire NBA; Bobby's 15.7 ppg scoring average was 8th best in the NBA and his 262 assists ranked him as 7th in that category.

10. Bobby Wanzer was once again an NBA All-Star (for the winning West Division team) and a Second Team All-NBA honoree for the 1952-53 season. The Royals did make the playoffs again but lost in the 1st round. Wanzer led the Royals in FTA and FTM and he made the NBA's "Top Ten" statistical rankings for scoring (9th), assists (10th) and Free Throw accuracy (10th @ 81.2%).

11. For the third consecutive season, Bobby Wanzer achieved Second Team All-NBA status in (1953-54) and played in the NBA's All-Star game (where he scored 12 points and passed off 6 assists) .

Bobby led the Royals in FGM, FTM and scoring, as he finished 10th in the entire NBA for ppg in (1953-54). Once again, the Lakers won the NBA Championship, knocking out Wanzer's Royals in the Western Division final playoff round.

12. During the (1954-55) season, Wanzer qualified for and played in his fourth consecutive NBA All-Star game but he was not named to any "All-NBA" team. Nevertheless, he still paced the Royals in scoring, assists and FTM, as the team made the league playoffs for the 8th year in a row. However, they were defeated in the first round of those (1954-55) playoffs.

13. Bobby Wanzer served in a dual role as player/head coach of the Rochester Royals for the (1955-56) season. He still played in every single regular season game and made the All-Star game roster for a fifth time, where he scored 13 points for the victorious West squad. As a player, he still maintained a "double-figures" ppg average and as a coach, he mentored rookie SHU product Richie Regan.

14. Bobby Wanzer completed his career as an active NBA player with the (1956-57) season, when he was still making his free throws at a rate of better than 78% that season. He continued as the Royals coach throughout this, their final season in Rochester. For his entire NBA career, Bobby Wanzer averaged 12.2 ppg; 3.2 apg 4.5 rpg and made 80.3% of his free throws, as well as 39.3% of his shots from the field.

15. Before the (1957-58) season, the Royals franchise relocated to Cincinnati and it eventually evolved to become today's Sacramento Kings. In addition to Richie Regan, Bobby Wanzer also coached Cincinnati Royals stars such as Maurice Stokes, Jack Twyman and Wayne Embry.
 
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The automat at 42nd and third no doubt.

Mike, where've you been. Sammy the boxer- what was his last name? Zei gesundt- R.I.P.
lol. That was still there when I started living in NYC in 77. And the Daily News was across the street.
 
Thanks for that great post Pat on Bobby Wanzer and the Rochester Royals. For most of Wanzer's career in Rochester they were one of the two best teams in the NBL/NBA along with the then Minneapolis Lakers (now LA) led by 6-10 George Mikan considered the best big man of his time. As Pirate64 previously indicated Seton Hall was a farm team of sorts for Rochester as former Pirates who played there included. Bobby Wanzer, Bobby Davies, Frank "Pep" Saul, Richie Regan and Chuck Connors. One of the reasons Walter Dukes who was from Rochester came to Seton Hall was because of that Seton Hall/Rochester connection. Legend has it that Bobby Davies was instrumental in Dukes recruitment.

Tom K .
 
[QUOTE="SnakeTom, post: 183868, member: 14" Legend has it that Bobby Davies was instrumental in Dukes recruitment. Tom K .[/QUOTE]

Thanks Tom see what youve done - Breaking news - unconfirmed sources have said NCAA to open investigation of SH for recruiting violations involving top NY pg. lol
 
[QUOTE="SnakeTom, post: 183868, member: 14" Legend has it that Bobby Davies was instrumental in Dukes recruitment. Tom K .

Thanks Tom see what youve done - Breaking news - unconfirmed sources have said NCAA to open investigation of SH for recruiting violations involving top NY pg. lol[/QUOTE]

the NBA was not then what it is today. FYI Bob Davies coached SHU for one year while simultaneously playing for the Rochester Royals. The following year Honey Russell returned as SHU coach after coaching the Boston Celtics for two years. Davies told Honey to get up to Rochester & recruit Dukes. Russell got Dukes to transfer from Rochester East HS to Seton Hall Prep where he ran track (imagine a 7' sprinter). The next year he enrolled at the University along with fellow Freshman Richie Regan.

Tom K
 
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