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GymRat

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Like many people I do not have the luxury of following the team as closely as I once did. I did attend the beefsteak dinner last week and was surprised at the size of the team. Could one of the more knowledgeable posters post the roster with Name, height, and remaining eligibility for us

I was pleasantly surprised at the size of the squad.

Thanks in advance - GR
 
Here ya go. Everyone is eligible for this year except Jevon Thomas

http://www.shupirates.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/seha-m-baskbl-mtt.html
I am quietly confused as this lists (4) 6-9 players (1) 6-8 player and (2) 6-7 players (two of the better ones in mt opinion) yet I constantly hear we have failed to add more bigs. No offense to anyone but out best forward player last year beside Delgado was, although a player of good character, someone I always thought a little soft with a tendency to sometimes disappear in the middle of a game.

We have added size, made room for the premium class from last year to step up and still I see nothing but rampant criticism and pessimism. What am I missing here ?
 
Of the 6'8 & 6'9 players, Delgado is a given. Sanogo, Anthony, Anderson and Carter are for various reasons, untested entities. Therefore, until proven otherwise, we are potentially weak up front.

Criticism and pessimism are part and parcel of being a fan and last year, to be charitable, had a miserable ending so it isn't like the criticism and pessimism are unwarranted. Winning will solve a lot of problems. I am cautiously optimistic. Let's go Pirates!
 
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Of the 6'8 & 6'9 players, Delgado is a given. Sanogo, Anthony, Anderson and Carter are for various reasons, untested entities. Therefore, until proven otherwise, we are potentially weak up front.

Criticism and pessimism are part and parcel of being a fan and last year, to be charitable, had a miserable ending so it isn't like the criticism and pessimism are unwarranted. Winning will solve a lot of problems. I am cautiously optimistic. Let's go Pirates!
Last year and the criticism it deserved was much more influenced by the players that left than those that stayed. It is not that this year doesn't deserve it's share of pessimism but rather that it seems to lack any optimism at all. It appears to be decidedly out of balance.

The first time we will get a real view of any kind for this team will come in Charleston. This is going to be a very telling early season trip. I think second place at worst needs to be our goal.
 
Size alone is useless, need to add talent. Has Seton Hall done that?
Clearly it has done that. The players incoming and now available are a step up on the front line from last year for certain.
 
For a guy who hasn't been following too closely, you seem able to form firm opinions. There was plenty of blame to go around for both the departed and the survivors. To think otherwise is to be naive.

Try not to burden yourself with the degree of criticism and pessimism right now. In about a month, a new season will begin, and new opinions can be formed. For now, if people want to be positive or negative it is certainly their prerogative.

As far as the front court goes, we are untested and until we see otherwise, it is fair to question how much our increased height will convert into increased production.
 
For a guy who hasn't been following too closely, you seem able to form firm opinions. There was plenty of blame to go around for both the departed and the survivors. To think otherwise is to be naive.

Try not to burden yourself with the degree of criticism and pessimism right now. In about a month, a new season will begin, and new opinions can be formed. For now, if people want to be positive or negative it is certainly their prerogative.

As far as the front court goes, we are untested and until we see otherwise, it is fair to question how much our increased height will convert into increased production.
One last question then : Would you rather have last years front court players (not including returnees ) or this years ?
 
Last year - Delgado/Anthony Mobley/Desi
This year - Delgado/Anderson Nzei/Ish

Last year a Mobley/Desi platoon seemed to have potential, the question was how would Delgado/Anthony fare at Center.

This year the center position seems settled but the Nzei/Ish platoon is completely untested. We have no idea if that will work.

The good news is this year we have Carter/Anthony on the bench compared to Ajou/Ish. I think we have upgraded the deep bench.

So, to answer your question, I would pick this year because we have more options to throw at the problem. But again, those options are unproven and it is fair for people to question just how effective it will be.
 
Clearly it has done that. The players incoming and now available are a step up on the front line from last year for certain.
What you say is not a crazy thought, but we really don't have any idea that this year will be better, and if someone says no one of Brandon's ability has been added, they could be right. I happen to think this year's front line will be better. But we don't know yet.
 
GymRat... You are certain that the big men on this year's roster (1 or 2 out of Ish, Nzei, Carter, Anderson) are a "step up" from Mobley?
 
GymRat... You are certain that the big men on this year's roster (1 or 2 out of Ish, Nzei, Carter, Anderson) are a "step up" from Mobley?
Apples and oranges.

Different type players.

Mobley was a stretch four whose defense was questionable and did not always rebound as needed. That said he had a quality offensive game and could get you 12-15 points in any given contest.

Ish and Nzei are very athletic players who will defend and rebound but won't score much other than the occasional put back.

Anderson, because he has not practiced much due to his concussion is an unknown until we see more of him.
 
My point was, Dan, that Rat said he hasn't followed the team and we really don't know about the talent until Cahrleston. But he is also CERTAIN that the bigs are a "step up".
 
Apples and oranges.

Different type players.

Mobley was a stretch four whose defense was questionable and did not always rebound as needed. That said he had a quality offensive game and could get you 12-15 points in any given contest.

Ish and Nzei are very athletic players who will defend and rebound but won't score much other than the occasional put back.

Anderson, because he has not practiced much due to his concussion is an unknown until we see more of him.
Yes, that is true about Mobley. But he could still be better and more able to positively impact the games than the new guys.
 
Me thinks I smell a "rat" involving this thread, especially when the names & heights of the players are requested from knowledgable posters when that info is readily available on the SH site. Um!
 
My point was, Dan, that Rat said he hasn't followed the team and we really don't know about the talent until Charleston. But he is also CERTAIN that the bigs are a "step up".
I Understand. Just wanted to make a point about Brandon and the new players.
 
Yes, that is true about Mobley. But he could still be better and more able to positively impact the games than the new guys.
Certainly possible. We won't know until the lights go on. And even then at first we'll be comparing a senior to underclassmen.
 
I don't expect the big guys (Carter, Anderson, Anthony) to be Karl Malone. If they give us the stuff that Rambis game the Lakers, I think that would be great. Toughness, some D, some boards, some help for Angel. Mike on the other hand I think can do a lot more.
 
Nice gambit by GymRat. And some civilized comment!

My two cents:

Basketball is a complicated game. It requires may disparate parts to mesh cohesively in order to be successful. It is the classic case of the sum of the parts not being greater than the whole. In retrospect, last year was a sum of the parts year. Lots of playing for oneself rather than with and for the whole. It is difficult to put in a formula that special set of circumstances that creates an environment where the assemblage of the various parts creates something special. And in today's "AAU/looking forward to the League" culture, that formula is even more elusive.

Some schools assemble an overwhelming aggregation of the highest level of talent such that they can overcome some of the "sum of the parts" deficiencies. Think Kentucky, Duke and a few others.

Other schools rely on the meshing of good kids with some but not the highest talent and skill. Wichita State comes to mind. The Shockers have older and mature kids. They may look to developing into NBA players but for so few of them it is not a foregone conclusion like so many of the Ky, Duke, KS etc. players. There is no BE team that has an aggregation of top talent such that they can just overcome individualistic play. Perhaps what made some of the Duke and KY teams so interesting is how they subjugated their egos for the good of the team.

For most schools, when the egos dominate, problems ensue.

I am not an insider. I don't know what the real story was at the Hall last year. The games that I saw early on were entertaining and it appeared that the players were playing for each other - the team. At the end of the season, the egos stepped up front and center. Hence the collapse.

As for talent, size qualifies. You cannot coach size. One of things that has always struck me is that the BE has always had size - not just tall kids but rather big kids - kids with broad shoulders and muscular frames. Last year's team had two of those kids - Delgado and Anthony. As they mature further, kids like Sonogo and Nzei should develop some of this size. The new kids are big. That's why weight lifting programs are so important. Don't downplay speed too. John Wooden always preferred speed and quickness to size. Of course if you can combine the two....

As for skill, every player has strengths and weaknesses. But will kids work on improving every day. Too many kids get complacent thinking that all they need do is wait the necessary time and the League will come calling. Remember that the generally accepted perception of bigs is that they develop later than the smaller guys. That's why many of the young kids end up in the D-league or on the pines in the NBA when the go pro. They need time to develop. they are often drafted on potential.

I lament kids' leaving early. It has taken some of the enjoyment out of college hoops. The turnover is rapid and the overall skill level and teamsmanship has diminished.

With that said, the Hall has some big kids. The younger ones seem to be developing. I am not at practice but the reports here indicate as much. The quickness level seems to have increased. Now these kids need to develop the discipline to execute, to pay attention to the little things and to play for the team rather than the self. Much of this is part of each kid's personality. He either is inclined to supress his ego for the greater good or he puts himself over the team. How many of us remember not wanting to play with a kid because he was a ball hog! He may have been the best player by far, but we rarely won because he wasn't playing for the team. But ultimately the beauty of college basketball is taking good and selfless kids with talent and having them come together as a real team.
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I think of the recent UCLA teams who had so much talent but were clearly out for themselves. Contrast that with Wichita State who has some talent but plays for each other and with a disciplined focus.

Judging from what I saw in the early part of last year, I am optimistic. I think some of the ego issues are gone (and I was a fan of Sina). The Hall is closer to what I would call BE size. There is skill. And I am optimistic that this group will play for each other. It may be an evolving process. Many of the key players are still young.

From my partially informed perspective, I have a feeling that this will be an entertaining group to follow. And no, I don't wear rose colored glasses.
 
The difference between this season will depend in the greatest part in how well they dedicate themselves to the defensive end of the game. The offense is there. We will see 8f the defensive effort materializes. The younger the team..the less likely this happens.
 
Nice gambit by GymRat. And some civilized comment!

My two cents:

Basketball is a complicated game. It requires may disparate parts to mesh cohesively in order to be successful. It is the classic case of the sum of the parts not being greater than the whole. In retrospect, last year was a sum of the parts year. Lots of playing for oneself rather than with and for the whole. It is difficult to put in a formula that special set of circumstances that creates an environment where the assemblage of the various parts creates something special. And in today's "AAU/looking forward to the League" culture, that formula is even more elusive.

Some schools assemble an overwhelming aggregation of the highest level of talent such that they can overcome some of the "sum of the parts" deficiencies. Think Kentucky, Duke and a few others.

Other schools rely on the meshing of good kids with some but not the highest talent and skill. Wichita State comes to mind. The Shockers have older and mature kids. They may look to developing into NBA players but for so few of them it is not a foregone conclusion like so many of the Ky, Duke, KS etc. players. There is no BE team that has an aggregation of top talent such that they can just overcome individualistic play. Perhaps what made some of the Duke and KY teams so interesting is how they subjugated their egos for the good of the team.

For most schools, when the egos dominate, problems ensue.

I am not an insider. I don't know what the real story was at the Hall last year. The games that I saw early on were entertaining and it appeared that the players were playing for each other - the team. At the end of the season, the egos stepped up front and center. Hence the collapse.

As for talent, size qualifies. You cannot coach size. One of things that has always struck me is that the BE has always had size - not just tall kids but rather big kids - kids with broad shoulders and muscular frames. Last year's team had two of those kids - Delgado and Anthony. As they mature further, kids like Sonogo and Nzei should develop some of this size. The new kids are big. That's why weight lifting programs are so important. Don't downplay speed too. John Wooden always preferred speed and quickness to size. Of course if you can combine the two....

As for skill, every player has strengths and weaknesses. But will kids work on improving every day. Too many kids get complacent thinking that all they need do is wait the necessary time and the League will come calling. Remember that the generally accepted perception of bigs is that they develop later than the smaller guys. That's why many of the young kids end up in the D-league or on the pines in the NBA when the go pro. They need time to develop. they are often drafted on potential.

I lament kids' leaving early. It has taken some of the enjoyment out of college hoops. The turnover is rapid and the overall skill level and teamsmanship has diminished.

With that said, the Hall has some big kids. The younger ones seem to be developing. I am not at practice but the reports here indicate as much. The quickness level seems to have increased. Now these kids need to develop the discipline to execute, to pay attention to the little things and to play for the team rather than the self. Much of this is part of each kid's personality. He either is inclined to supress his ego for the greater good or he puts himself over the team. How many of us remember not wanting to play with a kid because he was a ball hog! He may have been the best player by far, but we rarely won because he wasn't playing for the team. But ultimately the beauty of college basketball is taking good and selfless kids with talent and having them come together as a real team.
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I think of the recent UCLA teams who had so much talent but were clearly out for themselves. Contrast that with Wichita State who has some talent but plays for each other and with a disciplined focus.

Judging from what I saw in the early part of last year, I am optimistic. I think some of the ego issues are gone (and I was a fan of Sina). The Hall is closer to what I would call BE size. There is skill. And I am optimistic that this group will play for each other. It may be an evolving process. Many of the key players are still young.

From my partially informed perspective, I have a feeling that this will be an entertaining group to follow. And no, I don't wear rose colored glasses.
Excellent post hallball
 
Nice gambit by GymRat. And some civilized comment!

My two cents:

Basketball is a complicated game. It requires may disparate parts to mesh cohesively in order to be successful. It is the classic case of the sum of the parts not being greater than the whole. In retrospect, last year was a sum of the parts year. Lots of playing for oneself rather than with and for the whole. It is difficult to put in a formula that special set of circumstances that creates an environment where the assemblage of the various parts creates something special. And in today's "AAU/looking forward to the League" culture, that formula is even more elusive.

Some schools assemble an overwhelming aggregation of the highest level of talent such that they can overcome some of the "sum of the parts" deficiencies. Think Kentucky, Duke and a few others.

Other schools rely on the meshing of good kids with some but not the highest talent and skill. Wichita State comes to mind. The Shockers have older and mature kids. They may look to developing into NBA players but for so few of them it is not a foregone conclusion like so many of the Ky, Duke, KS etc. players. There is no BE team that has an aggregation of top talent such that they can just overcome individualistic play. Perhaps what made some of the Duke and KY teams so interesting is how they subjugated their egos for the good of the team.

For most schools, when the egos dominate, problems ensue.

I am not an insider. I don't know what the real story was at the Hall last year. The games that I saw early on were entertaining and it appeared that the players were playing for each other - the team. At the end of the season, the egos stepped up front and center. Hence the collapse.

As for talent, size qualifies. You cannot coach size. One of things that has always struck me is that the BE has always had size - not just tall kids but rather big kids - kids with broad shoulders and muscular frames. Last year's team had two of those kids - Delgado and Anthony. As they mature further, kids like Sonogo and Nzei should develop some of this size. The new kids are big. That's why weight lifting programs are so important. Don't downplay speed too. John Wooden always preferred speed and quickness to size. Of course if you can combine the two....

As for skill, every player has strengths and weaknesses. But will kids work on improving every day. Too many kids get complacent thinking that all they need do is wait the necessary time and the League will come calling. Remember that the generally accepted perception of bigs is that they develop later than the smaller guys. That's why many of the young kids end up in the D-league or on the pines in the NBA when the go pro. They need time to develop. they are often drafted on potential.

I lament kids' leaving early. It has taken some of the enjoyment out of college hoops. The turnover is rapid and the overall skill level and teamsmanship has diminished.

With that said, the Hall has some big kids. The younger ones seem to be developing. I am not at practice but the reports here indicate as much. The quickness level seems to have increased. Now these kids need to develop the discipline to execute, to pay attention to the little things and to play for the team rather than the self. Much of this is part of each kid's personality. He either is inclined to supress his ego for the greater good or he puts himself over the team. How many of us remember not wanting to play with a kid because he was a ball hog! He may have been the best player by far, but we rarely won because he wasn't playing for the team. But ultimately the beauty of college basketball is taking good and selfless kids with talent and having them come together as a real team.
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I think of the recent UCLA teams who had so much talent but were clearly out for themselves. Contrast that with Wichita State who has some talent but plays for each other and with a disciplined focus.

Judging from what I saw in the early part of last year, I am optimistic. I think some of the ego issues are gone (and I was a fan of Sina). The Hall is closer to what I would call BE size. There is skill. And I am optimistic that this group will play for each other. It may be an evolving process. Many of the key players are still young.

From my partially informed perspective, I have a feeling that this will be an entertaining group to follow. And no, I don't wear rose colored glasses.
Great post. The program's we need to replicate are Witchita St and Gonzaga
 
The difference between this season will depend in the greatest part in how well they dedicate themselves to the defensive end of the game. The offense is there. We will see 8f the defensive effort materializes. The younger the team..the less likely this happens.

GymRat
I couldn't disagree more as I see our offense as the biggest problem led by legitimate questions about our outside shooting and the question of how well IW handles the point and can he get everyone involved . Then add in what we can expect offensively from the players who man the PF position alongside Angel and our offense is an open issue not a settled one.
 
GymRat
I couldn't disagree more as I see our offense as the biggest problem led by legitimate questions about our outside shooting and the question of how well IW handles the point and can he get everyone involved . Then add in what we can expect offensively from the players who man the PF position alongside Angel and our offense is an open issue not a settled one.
Best part of this time of the year is disagreeing with fellow fans.. I am by nature and experience some one who believes that offense always shows up before defense. You just hope at least one shows up or the season is really long.

Hope you are going to charleston. I will buy you a beer if you don't mind hanging with an old bastard.
 
GymRat
I couldn't disagree more as I see our offense as the biggest problem led by legitimate questions about our outside shooting and the question of how well IW handles the point and can he get everyone involved . Then add in what we can expect offensively from the players who man the PF position alongside Angel and our offense is an open issue not a settled one.
Ask pj about a game. He never mentioned offense. He said defense, rebounding and ft shooting have to be givens that can always improve.

I think our offense will be good if the kids play city ball. Get out and run, play fast and loose.
 
Great post. The program's we need to replicate are Witchita St and Gonzaga

The problem with that is two fold:

1 - Wichita State isn't a comp. They have a large captive and dedicated fan base where they are the only game in town. That also have major financial backers in the Koch brothers.

2 - it pains me to say this because Gonzaga should very much be a comp...but there is a fundamental difference between Seton Hall's dysfunctional mismanagement of its basketball program and how shrewdly Gonzaga has managed their program. Consistently over two decades now, and attained continuity through coaching changes. Very similar to Xavier. I guess we should tip our hats to the Jesuits...
 
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