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Sellers I don't mind but wow

A good deal. Got two very good teenage prospects. The days of getting A level, major league-ready prospects in deadline deals are over. Doyle Alexander for then big prospect John Smoltz won't happen again. Neither will an aging Carlos Beltran for then prospect Zack Wheeler.
 
A good deal. Got two very good teenage prospects. The days of getting A level, major league-ready prospects in deadline deals are over. Doyle Alexander for then big prospect John Smoltz won't happen again. Neither will an aging Carlos Beltran for then prospect Zack Wheeler.
Mets are not in a rebuild though, expectation is to win again next year, both these guys are many years out...plus robertson was a plus arm that value increases the closer to aug 1
 
That’s a bad trade
Why? Vargas is an excellent prospect. He already walks more than he strikes out, rare for a young kid. Robertson is not under team control beyond this year. The Mets could even try and re-sign him to be a setup man for Diaz next year. There is no upside to holding onto him.
 
A good deal. Got two very good teenage prospects. The days of getting A level, major league-ready prospects in deadline deals are over. Doyle Alexander for then big prospect John Smoltz won't happen again. Neither will an aging Carlos Beltran for then prospect Zack Wheeler.
 
A good deal. Got two very good teenage prospects. The days of getting A level, major league-ready prospects in deadline deals are over. Doyle Alexander for then big prospect John Smoltz won't happen again. Neither will an aging Carlos Beltran for then prospect Zack Wheeler.
No they are not, just last year the Reds got Spencer Steer and Christian Encartion-Strand for Tyler Mahle. Both are now starting in the majors.
 
A good deal. Got two very good teenage prospects. The days of getting A level, major league-ready prospects in deadline deals are over. Doyle Alexander for then big prospect John Smoltz won't happen again. Neither will an aging Carlos Beltran for then prospect Zack Wheeler.

No they are not, just last year the Reds got Spencer Steer and Christian Encartion-Strand for Tyler Mahle. Both are now starting in the majors.
Apples and oranges. Alexander and Beltran were free-agents to be at the time of those trades.

Tyler Mahle brought two years of team control beyond last season to the Twins -- he doesn't reach free agency until after the 2024 season.
 
That’s a bad trade

Why? Vargas is an excellent prospect. He already walks more than he strikes out, rare for a young kid. Robertson is not under team control beyond this year. The Mets could even try and re-sign him to be a setup man for Diaz next year. There is no upside to holding onto him.
Arguable that it's a bad deal but it will take years to make that evaluation. Could the Mets have done better closer to Tuesday's trade deadline? Again arguable. Perhaps likely but that's unknown.

A year ago, David Robertson was traded in the final hours of the August 2nd deadline. His stats were remarkably similar to what they are this year though the salary commitment for two months was about $2.2 million less than this season.

The return was one player, Ben Brown, a 2017 draftee, who was still in high-A ball and who had never pitched above that level. Hell, he had only made 49 appearances and thrown 171 innings during parts of five minor seasons. Not much of a return for a reliable veteran bullpen arm.

Of course Brown is now at AAA in the Cubs' system after going 5-0 in 11 AA starts split between 2022-23 and has moved quickly up the Cubs prospect list. You never know.
 

Mets, Rangers agree to Max Scherzer trade pending his approval​

By Dan Martin

A day after Max Scherzer made public his frustration over the Mets’ trading of David Robertson, it appeared the right-hander also was going to be headed out of town.

The Post’s Jon Heyman reported the Mets agreed to a deal with the Rangers that, as of Saturday afternoon, was still pending the approval of Scherzer, who has a full no-trade clause in his contract.

The Rangers had pulled some minor leaguers from their games.

Scherzer, who said Friday he wanted to talk to the Mets’ “brass,” wasn’t in the clubhouse prior to the game Saturday night against the Nationals, but manager Buck Showalter said he was confident the veteran right-hander still wanted to remain with the team.

“Max has made it very clear, when he wakes up in the morning, he wants it to be here,’’ Showalter said. “It’s the way he’s always felt. He likes it here. He’s taken it on and all the responsibilities come along with it.”

Still, Scherzer made it clear he wanted answers from Mets ownership and the front office about where the team was going in the wake of the trade of their best relief pitcher to NL East-rival Miami.

There was plenty of other uncertainty around the roster, as well.

According to Showalter, Scherzer has “earned the right” to speak his mind, as he did Friday.

As sources said Saturday, it’s not unusual for Scherzer to talk with team personnel, so those conversations were likely to happen regardless of his ultimatum.

Justin Verlander, scheduled to start against Washington on Sunday at Citi Field, hadn’t spoken since the Robertson trade, but he’s another candidate to be moved before the trade deadline this coming Tuesday.

And the two veteran right-handers aren’t alone.

Outfielders Tommy Pham and Mark Canha, both on one-year deals, are viable trade chips, as is left-handed reliever Brooks Raley, although he has an option for 2024.

Scherzer and Verlander, who both signed this past offseason, were expected to be atop a rotation that led the Mets back into the playoffs after a 101-win season a year ago.

Instead, Verlander missed the first month of the season with a strain near his shoulder blade, then got off to an inconsistent start when he got healthy. Verlander has been excellent over his past six starts.

Scherzer has been far more inconsistent and acknowledged Friday the subpar performance of the team — including himself — had put the front office in a position to have to make some difficult decisions.

But he wasn’t happy about it.

“I probably have to have a conversation with our front office,’’ Scherzer said Friday after the Mets’ second straight win. “You’re trading our closer away. A bunch of people are gonna have a conversation with the front office.”

Scherzer, who turned 39 this past week, has a $43.3 million player option for next season that he is expected to sign up for, which made dealing him that much tougher, especially considering his underperformance for most of this season.

Verlander is also owed $43.3 million next season and has a vesting option worth $35 million for 2025.

Despite the investment, the Mets haven’t sniffed .500 in the second half of the season. Trading Robertson on Thursday indicated that the Mets would sell, although it was unclear how severe it would be.

Trading Scherzer would change that.
 

Justin Verlander may be next to be traded for a Mets ‘team in transition’​

By Jon Heyman

The Mets traded the rest of the 2023 season, such as it was, for two rookie-level minor league ballplayers in the deal that sent David Robertson to the Marlins. And now, with the trade Saturday of the Hall-of-Fame bound Max Scherzer to the Rangers, they are diminishing their chances in 2024, as well.

Someone up high with the Mets mentioned in a very candid conversation within the last two days that they are a “team in transition” — which is a nice way of saying they felt big changes are nothing short of necessary.

The Mets hope to redo their front office with a new leader this winter (David Stearns, are you reading?), and they are doing their best now to set that leader up for a better future. As for the present, well, just check the sorry standings.

Give them this: When they see an issue — and a team with an all-time record payroll having to sell to the small-scale Marlins, as the Mets did with David Robertson, clearly shows something is drastically wrong — they act. Steve Cohen footed the bill of nearly half-a-billion dollars, but he’s a guy who plays the percentages.

I doubt Cohen relies on Fangraphs, which still had the Mets at about a 17 percent chance to make the playoffs at last look. But he does rely on data, and nobody knows the numbers better than Cohen, who somehow made $20 billion plus in equities, which are about the least equitable thing on Earth.

Anyway, Cohen saw a team that almost always took a step back whenever it took a step forward, a team that underperformed at almost every spot — except for Robertson, of course, who was brilliant this season and now is a Marlin. Mets higher-ups have described the team as a car that starts and stops, just sputtering along. That’s not what you’d expect from the best-paid group of ballplayers ever assembled.

Cohen’s stated goal upon buying the Mets for $2.4 billion was to win a World Series within “three to five years.” If next year is in jeopardy, as it may be, that puts a lot of pressure on the 2025 squad for Cohen’s fifth season in orange and blue.

While Scherzer was pummeled in a few very bad outings this season — including one at Fenway Park on July 22, in which he gave up four home runs, including one to a .160 hitter — generally, he has been pretty good, and other teams have coveted both him and Justin Verlander. Even as he turned 39 this past week, Scherzer seems to have adjusted to the pitch clock and the sticky-stuff crackdown, to the point at which he has been fairly dominant at least two out of every three starts.

The Scherzer deal to Texas, which is bringing shortstop/center field prospect Luisangel Acuña (Ronald Acuña’s brother) had a soap-operatic effect. It took some extra negotiation because Scherzer had a no-trade clause and a 2024 option, and he loved the idea of being in New York and having spring training in Port St. Lucie, a 45 minute drive from his Jupiter, Fla., home, but it got done.

The Mets’ co-ace, Verlander (who’s tied with Scherzer as the highest-salaried player ever), has been even better, with a 1.46 ERA over the past six starts. Scouts have drooled over Verlander’s performance, and he would appear to be next to go. Verlander seems particularly close to Cohen, but at this point, friendship isn’t really a major factor. There are no guarantees at the trade deadline, of course, and Verlander has made it clear publicly that he loves it in New York, so maybe he would turn down a potential trade.

Of course, Verlander may love the City (and I believe he does), but will he want to be on a team “in transition”? That certainly is no certainty. His old Astros team would seem to be a logical landing spot if he ultimately is convinced the Mets are transitioning. While the Astros only wanted to give Verlander a one-year deal over the winter, they may feel they are in need now, especially with the Rangers looking great and acquiring his running mate Scherzer.

The Mets could, of course, try to do a quick reversal, and the free-agent pitching market will be especially strong this offseason. Even if they can’t get Shohei Ohtani (and Mets people don’t seem especially optimistic about the likelihood of Ohtani leaving the West Coast), there are Julio Urias, Blake Snell, Aaron Nola, Jordan Montgomery, and potentially Eduardo Rodriguez and Marcus Stroman (not a likely target for the Mets). But the belief, based on signs and words at least for now, is that the Mets now are more interested in the future beyond 2024.

Useful outfielders Mark Canha and Tommy Pham, reliever Brooks Raley and other veterans whose contracts are up this year or next, should prepare for trades. But Verlander is the other big one who could go. And based on his recent performance (plus Cohen’s ability to pay down the deal), the Mets should be able to get even more for Verlander than they are getting for Scherzer.
 
Interesting move by the Mets. Paying $36 Million in cash of Scherzer's salary for a Top 50 prospect. That's one way to rebuild a system.
 
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