Sensationalized Reporting

[sami]

Hurricane Larry pushes severe weather toward East Coast


Days after Hurricane Ida left a staggering, multistate trail of destruction, forecasters are keeping a wary eye on another storm steaming across the Atlantic that could be even more ferocious. Hurricane Larry is making big waves about 1,000 miles southeast of Bermuda on Monday, but a series of smaller, developing storms could create more big problems for battered Louisiana's Gulf Coast. The National Weather Service says the hurricane probably won't make it to the USA, but "significant" swells will, reaching much of the East Coast by midweek and affecting the shoreline through the end of the week.

 

[sami]

Or, you could say there’s an offshore storm that we’ll fortunately not see on the east coast and there could be big waves at the beach.

 

[SHallguy2]

If you read the first paragraph of 80% of the articles today and then stopped, you would be telling everyone there is another ferocious storm coming or some other deep fearful thing is happening. Unfortunately most people never get past the first couple of sentences. It’s sad what the news has become. Drives ratings when folks tune in to watch the next big thing. It’s similar to the play on words I’ve talked about here as well. Once a good catch word is found everyone runs with the phrase. Being in marketing my whole life and using catch words to sell things makes me painfully aware when we are being sold on a line of thinking. What’s obvious to me goes unnoticed by large percentage of people. People are not stranded just going to take longer to get here until of course they become hostages and then they go back to being stuck.
Play on words maybe the most destructive force happening in our world today and goes unnoticed. It’s become commonplace. Half of the back and forth on this board is over a play with words.

 

[HALL85]

My headline would have read "Great opportunity to body surf this week"

 

[SHallguy2]

My headline would have read "Great opportunity to body surf this week"

You would be out of business, all the body surfers are going back to school. Zero hits

 

[SPK145]

The media as watchdog is absolute shit.

 

[shu09]

The media is trying to make people believe that storms today are more severe than ever before. That is simply not true. Vicious storms have happened for millennia. The difference now is human beings have built cities and infrastructure in areas vulnerable to storms and how dare those storms impact our precious lives!

Larry is no threat to land other than possibly grazing Bermuda or Newfoundland.

 

[Merge]

The media is trying to make people believe that storms today are more severe than ever before. That is simply not true. Vicious storms have happened for millennia. The difference now is human beings have built cities and infrastructure in areas vulnerable to storms and how dare those storms impact our precious lives!

The number of storms at category 3 or higher has been increasing more recently. As sea levels are rising, hurricanes will be more intense with higher rainfall which which increase the threat of flooding during hurricanes.

Though I do agree that we should be banning building in certain areas which are prone to large amounts of flooding.

Larry specifically doesn't seem to be a story for the US other than probably causing a category "high" rip current risk which is defined as "Wind and/or wave conditions support dangerous rip currents. Rip currents are life-threatening to anyone entering the surf."

 

[HALL85]

The number of storms at category 3 or higher has been increasing more recently. As sea levels are rising, hurricanes will be more intense with higher rainfall which which increase the threat of flooding during hurricanes.

Though I do agree that we should be banning building in certain areas which are prone to large amounts of flooding.

Larry specifically doesn't seem to be a story for the US other than probably causing a category "high" rip current risk which is defined as "Wind and/or wave conditions support dangerous rip currents. Rip currents are life-threatening to anyone entering the surf."

More like we should be relocating people out of Hoboken. 90% of that city is below sea level, but we keep building there.....hmmmm. All that smart money must be stupid?

 

[SHUSA]

hang on to a few more hurricanes, throw in a few wildfires and that will tide us over until we can freak out over a new variant that is 2x more contagious just in time for winter.

 

[seton1996]

Saw interesting article about massive rain storms that hit NJ hard with flooding, we seem to get these huge flooding storms every 10-15 years. Unfortunately, constant building and less and less open land in NJ every year, leads to more and more dangerous conditions.

Still the worse flooding in North NJ dates back to 1903.

Here were the storms they listed, other than 1903 storm.

September 1940 - Tropical Storm off NJ Coast
August 1955 - Tropical Storm Connie & Diane
August 1971 - Tropical Storm Doria
April 1984 - Melting Snow + Heavy Rains

And then most of us remember these recent bad floods:
Sept 1999 - Tropical Storm Floyd
Aug 2011 - Tropical Storm Irene

 

[SHallguy2]

The number of storms at category 3 or higher has been increasing more recently. As sea levels are rising, hurricanes will be more intense with higher rainfall which which increase the threat of flooding during hurricanes.

Though I do agree that we should be banning building in certain areas which are prone to large amounts of flooding.

Larry specifically doesn't seem to be a story for the US other than probably causing a category "high" rip current risk which is defined as "Wind and/or wave conditions support dangerous rip currents. Rip currents are life-threatening to anyone entering the surf."

Tar and concrete are killing us, plus no denying water levels are rising. Keeping a
beach at the jersey shore is getting harder and harder. A buddy was driving thru the concrete jungle we know as route 21 while it was raining last week. The water kept rising and he could not exit. Before he knew it the car was floating and he lost complete control of the car. He opened the car and jumped out, nice Mercedes gone/destroyed. He's lucky to be alive.

 

[SHUSA]

Tar and concrete are killing us, plus no denying water levels are rising. Keeping a
beach at the jersey shore is getting harder and harder. A buddy was driving thru the concrete jungle we know as route 21 while it was raining last week. The water kept rising and he could not exit. Before he knew it the car was floating and he lost complete control of the car. He opened the car and jumped out, nice Mercedes gone/destroyed. He's lucky to be alive.

have you seen wildwood/cape may? the beach isnt going away, its just relocating. those beaches are a mile long

 

[SHallguy2]

North Wildwood Beach Replenishment to Begin Soon 2021 - Wildwood Video Archive

North Wildwood Beach Replenishment to Begin Soon 2021 - It’s 2021 and let’s talk about something that seems to be almost be an annual

wildwoodvideoarchive.com

Not North Wildwood

 

[ed odowd]

Even climate change St.John Kerry indicated if we go completely green and CHINA doesn’t we will be in the same boat as we are now.So to all the climate change alarmists your hero just sold you out unless you foolishly believe China will comply with the green agenda.

 

[SPK145]

When has John "I Voted Against It Before I Voted For It" Kerry not sold someone out??

 

[Merge]

Even climate change St.John Kerry indicated if we go completely green and CHINA doesn’t we will be in the same boat as we are now.So to all the climate change alarmists your hero just sold you out unless you foolishly believe China will comply with the green agenda.

I wouldn't necessarily trust them, but they are investing rather massively in renewables. In 2010 China got 80% of their energy from Coal. That is down to under 58% in 2019 and are on a path to bring that closer to 25% in the next 10 years.

So Kerry will call them out, China will say they have their own autonomy and do not comply with agreements, and then they will modify their future plans "on their own" to use less coal and everybody wins.

They are complying with the agenda, without "complying with the agenda" because like it or not... the "agenda" makes a lot of sense.

 

[SHUSA]

North Wildwood Beach Replenishment to Begin Soon 2021 - Wildwood Video Archive

North Wildwood Beach Replenishment to Begin Soon 2021 - It’s 2021 and let’s talk about something that seems to be almost be an annual

wildwoodvideoarchive.com

Not North Wildwood

yea they have to dredge the beach like other northern beaches but it all goes right to mid wildwood.

also what is that site? terrible.

 

[SHUSA]

I wouldn't necessarily trust them, but they are investing rather massively in renewables. In 2010 China got 80% of their energy from Coal. That is down to under 58% in 2019 and are on a path to bring that closer to 25% in the next 10 years.

So Kerry will call them out, China will say they have their own autonomy and do not comply with agreements, and then they will modify their future plans "on their own" to use less coal and everybody wins.

They are complying with the agenda, without "complying with the agenda" because like it or not... the "agenda" makes a lot of sense.

lets hope this is true and not just chinas reporting. because as of now they are single handedly killing the earth

 

[ed odowd]

Merge you might want to check China carbon emissions growth I think up around 30 % since Kyoto agreements around 20;years ago and US down 12% with significant higher GDP.I realize these are inconvient truths with emissions down and temperature up kinda challenges the sacred doctrine of the alarmist climate change crowd since their bible is carbon emissions cause higher temperatures. US emissions being down does nothing if China doesn’t curb if you believe emissions rise cause temperature to rise ( an unproven thesis to many physicists who are not receiving government grants to study climate change ).By 2030 ( I may not be alive to see if this prediction is true ) I think the world will start to cool significantly based on historically cycle of climate change and the global warming hysteria will be second to the Galileo Hersey on major hoaxes That were accepted by the majority of the population that proved to be hoaxes.

 

[SPK145]

I wouldn't necessarily trust them, but they are investing rather massively in renewables. In 2010 China got 80% of their energy from Coal. That is down to under 58% in 2019 and are on a path to bring that closer to 25% in the next 10 years.

Mix percentages are useless when the total energy usage is growing like China's.

China's coal production in absolute terms (you know, what actually matters) continues to increase and will continues to do so.

Coal production

An interactive visualization from Our World in Data.

ourworldindata.org

Despite Pledges to Cut Emissions, China Goes on a Coal Spree

China is building large numbers of coal-fired power plants to drive its post-pandemic economy. The government has promised a CO2 emissions peak by 2030, but the new coal binge jeopardizes both China’s decarbonization plans and global efforts to tackle climate change.

e360.yale.edu

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/chinas-2020-coal-output-rises-to-highest-since-2015-undermining-climate-pledges-2021-01-17

 

[Merge]

Merge you might want to check China carbon emissions growth I think up around 30 % since Kyoto agreements around 20;years ago and US down 12% with significant higher GDP.I realize these are inconvient truths with emissions down and temperature up kinda challenges the sacred doctrine of the alarmist climate change crowd since their bible is carbon emissions cause higher temperatures. US emissions being down does nothing if China doesn’t curb if you believe emissions rise cause temperature to rise ( an unproven thesis to many physicists who are not receiving government grants to study climate change ).By 2030 ( I may not be alive to see if this prediction is true ) I think the world will start to cool significantly based on historically cycle of climate change and the global warming hysteria will be second to the Galileo Hersey on major hoaxes That were accepted by the majority of the population that proved to be hoaxes.

Now check on a per capita basis. US is worse on emissions per capita by a fair margin. Not saying China is the good guy here, they’re not... but neither are we.

Carbon emissions will raise the temperature over time. Carbon traps heat. That’s just a. Fact. The theory being though that the small increase from carbon will increase to a point where that causes the amount of water vapor to increase as well causing a more rapid increase. No one said the world is ending by 2030, but that we have until then to reverse course. Likely an exaggeration so people will take it seriously and doesn’t factor in that science will catch up on the other side of the debate to find ways to trap carbon or something else that will reduce the change.

Again, luckily the right side of the debate here is expansion of renewable energy. Even ignoring the climate change aspect, it just makes sense that renewable resources are going to be better than finite ones eventually. Somehow China sees that more clearly than we do.

 

[Merge]

Mix percentages are useless when the total energy usage is growing like China's.

China's coal production in absolute terms (you know, what actually matters) continues to increase and will continues to do so.

Coal production

An interactive visualization from Our World in Data.

ourworldindata.org

Despite Pledges to Cut Emissions, China Goes on a Coal Spree

China is building large numbers of coal-fired power plants to drive its post-pandemic economy. The government has promised a CO2 emissions peak by 2030, but the new coal binge jeopardizes both China’s decarbonization plans and global efforts to tackle climate change.

e360.yale.edu

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/chinas-2020-coal-output-rises-to-highest-since-2015-undermining-climate-pledges-2021-01-17

They are a developing country with energy expansion needs. I’m not suggesting they will offer to sacrifice for the greater good, they won’t.. but at the same time, they could have done all this expansion with just coal. And how can we sit here after our country has been benefiting from massive energy expansion without regard for emissions for a hundred years and then say China can’t do the same?

They need x% of an increase per year. Most of that will come from renewables. That’s a good thing.

 

[HALL85]

Now check on a per capita basis. US is worse on emissions per capita by a fair margin. Not saying China is the good guy here, they’re not... but neither are we.

Carbon emissions will raise the temperature over time. Carbon traps heat. That’s just a. Fact. The theory being though that the small increase from carbon will increase to a point where that causes the amount of water vapor to increase as well causing a more rapid increase. No one said the world is ending by 2030, but that we have until then to reverse course. Likely an exaggeration so people will take it seriously and doesn’t factor in that science will catch up on the other side of the debate to find ways to trap carbon or something else that will reduce the change.

Again, luckily the right side of the debate here is expansion of renewable energy. Even ignoring the climate change aspect, it just makes sense that renewable resources are going to be better than finite ones eventually. Somehow China sees that more clearly than we do.

Don’t you think that starts with automobiles/household? Seems like we have more of a consumption problem.

 

[Merge]

Don’t you think that starts with automobiles/household? Seems like we have more of a consumption problem.

Sure, certainly part of the equation.

 

[HALL85]

Sure, certainly part of the equation.

Exactly, so when I see congressman and senators driving around in hybrid vehicles and downsizing to one per family, I’ll know they are serious.

 

[SHallguy2]

Exactly, so when I see congressman and senators driving around in hybrid vehicles and downsizing to one per family, I’ll know they are serious.

You think the same people who go to large private parties without masks are going to drive hybrids? They missed the lecture on leading by example. They talk for show but screw everyone for dough. For the golfers out there.

 

[Merge]

Exactly, so when I see congressman and senators driving around in hybrid vehicles and downsizing to one per family, I’ll know they are serious.

Do you know what kind of cars each member drives, and how many they own?

AOC drives an EV, so I guess we know she's serious?

 

[HALL85]

Do you know what kind of cars each member drives, and how many they own?

AOC drives an EV, so I guess we know she's serious?

That's one...and she's an idiot to begin with. So, No, I don't take her serious.

 

[afghan whigs]

Our Climate Czar and Transportation secretary

Pete Buttigieg mocked for ‘phony’ Cabinet meeting bike stunt

He’s the Buttigieg of jokes. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg was mocked by conservative critics online after a video appeared to show security staffers unloading his bike from the bac…

nypost.com

John Kerry’s gas-guzzling family jet has taken 16 trips this year alone

The gas-guzzling private jet owned by climate czar John Kerry’s family has already taken 16 flights this year alone, online records show.

nypost.com

 

[SPK145]

Do as I say, not as I do.

 

[Hallsome]

They are a developing country with energy expansion needs. I’m not suggesting they will offer to sacrifice for the greater good, they won’t.. but at the same time, they could have done all this expansion with just coal. And how can we sit here after our country has been benefiting from massive energy expansion without regard for emissions for a hundred years and then say China can’t do the same?

They need x% of an increase per year. Most of that will come from renewables. That’s a good thing.

China is a developing country.
Now that’s one way to put it.

 

[Merge]

China is a developing country.
Now that’s one way to put it.

Only if you care about things like "definitions"

 

[Hallsome]

Only if you care about things like "definitions"

Someone as wise as you would know that there are different usages of this phrase.

 

[Merge]

Someone as wise as you would know that there are different usages of this phrase.

Sure, and if you actually thought about the context of energy expansion and future capacity needs... it should be obvious that the word “developing” is an accurate description.

 

[Hallsome]

Sure, and if you actually thought about the context of energy expansion and future capacity needs... it should be obvious that the word “developing” is an accurate description.

Yawn

 

[ed odowd]

Interesting development for clean energy in California.The state has asked Biden to exempt them from pollution standards for 60 days so they can ramp up gas production at unusually high levels to make up for shortfalls from wind and solar.California electricity costs are 40 % higher than the national average traceable to their reliance on solar and wind energy.A point to consider as we debate the merits of going Green.

 

[Merge]

Interesting development for clean energy in California.The state has asked Biden to exempt them from pollution standards for 60 days so they can ramp up gas production at unusually high levels to make up for shortfalls from wind and solar.California electricity costs are 40 % higher than the national average traceable to their reliance on solar and wind energy.A point to consider as we debate the merits of going Green.

I'm all for a debate on the merits, but your points in that post are not accurate.

Solar and wind are not why electricity is expensive in California. That is because of the additional costs added to electricity bills in that state only. Nor are they the culprit as to why there isn’t enough capacity in the state to deal with a heat wave. It’s more inadequate planning and an antiquated grid. About a quarter of CA's electricity consumption is supplied from other states. Fine under normal conditions but when there is a heat wave in the other states, they will not have the capacity to export to California.

 

[ed odowd]

Don’t know latest numbers but USEnergy Administration Report April 3,2016 indicated California imports about 38% of electricity because “ its wholesale power markets in the region are relatively open and generation from outside the state is often less expensive in fact California imports 6% of its energy from out of state coal fired power plants “.

 

[Merge]

Right. That is supply and demand. Your neighbor has excess energy that they are producing so they sell you some at a lower cost to you that would otherwise be waste to them.

That will work find until your neighbor no longer has excess capacity because there is a heat wave in the region.