Seton Hall disinvites Sid Rosenberg from March 10 Town Hall

[NYShoreGuy]

https://www.thesetonian.com/2020/03/01/seton-hall-disinvites-sid-rosenberg-from-town-hall/

Why invite to begin with? Who is in charge and vetting?

Dealt with this guy professionally in my younger years, a total loose cannon, would be great for the barstool crowd

 

[catholicman]

So much for the marketplace of ideas! Our universities have become Stalin-esque in shutting out divergent opinions.

 

[shu2x79]

An alternative to disinviting him would be to allow him in and challenge him face to face on his previous statements.

 

[Halldan1]

Not sure I agree. SHU is catholic institution that stands against everything that Rosenberg promotes. Not only would it be a bad optic, but it would give him a platform to promote his history of hate and intolerance.

I agree with NYShoreGuy. Why was he invited in the first place?

 

[shu2x79]

Respectfully, I think people should be less concerned with optics and more concerned with substance. Better to confront ignorance and intolerance, just my opinion.

 

[CaptBob]

I agree, the guy is an idiot-- but that brings up "freedom of speech"

 

[Mbrantfan88]

Freedom of speech is govt concept. It doesn't apply here.

 

[HammerofDill]

Seton Hall has always been bad at this. The school disinvited John Kerry, former presidential candidate and future Secretary of State, from talking at the school of diplomacy while I was there (because he is pro-choice, like they didn’t know that going in, nor was it relevant to his talk). They asked a terminally ill person (Tony Snow) to be our commencement speaker. It turned out he could not make it.

 

[catholicman]

Freedom of speech is govt concept. It doesn't apply here.

Freedom of speech flows from the dignity of the human person. The freedom of speech, however, is not absolute.

 

[Seton75]

Freedom of speech and Sid R's right to discuss politics at SHU. Crack my ass up...

 

[Halldan1]

Better late than never.

 

[TheHall87]

Sid Rosenberg as part of a political discussion boggles the mind. I am all for tolerance of other viewpoints but there isn't someone with the same viewpoint that isn't as "controversial?"

Sid makes Don Imus look like a statesman.

 

[STLPirate12]

Good decision to remove him. I understand the thought of wanting to confront him about his comments, but at this point letting him come would likely just derail the entire event. It's not worth it.

 

[SHUSource]

I am all for the marketplace of ideas and a diversity of perspectives. That's what a university should always champion.

But Sid Rosenberg lacks the intellectual capital to opine on anything more complex than pounding a 12-pack of Stroh's or laying a hundred-timer on the Jets.

The question, as others have asked, is why he was invited to speak about anything at all.

 

[Piratz]

The notion of Sid Rosenberg being invited to address academia is laughable to me.

Seton Hall is a Catholic university, yes, but it’s not a monastery. There’s usually a ton of free speech and exploration of opposing viewpoints there that most priests don’t like, lol.

 

[RU82]

Sid Rosenberg is a radio personality who has a lot of schtick in his delivery. Some of the things he’s said over the years have crossed some lines but people, college students in particular, really have to get over themselves in acting like definitive and final moral arbiters about things people said years and years ago. Wait another twenty years and none of the people calling for Sid’s dis-invitation will be able to meet the speech sensitivity and political correctness tests of the next generation. It’s all rather juvenile and intellectually bankrupt. If it bothers you ask him about it. If you think he’s locked in on bigoted thinking you might be pleasantly surprised by his response. And you may just emerge from the conversation a little wiser yourself.

 

[The SHUttle]

I normally would be against disinviting someone, but I don't see what value he has as a speaker regardless of the things he has said. In no way would someone emulate his career, and he is not someone who has learned from it either.

 

[dehere23]

Amen. The whole purpose of a university is to expose people to diverse viewpoints, including ones that are controversial, uncomfortable or, frankly, ridiculous to some. During my college experience, I often attended lectures or panels involving people whose views I disagreed with or found to be some combination of lunacy or outright disgust. It helped shape how I thought and reaffirmed my viewpoint on certain core beliefs. It also sometimes opened my eyes to another way to look at an issue, problem or situation. The whole “cancel” or “disinvite” culture is doing our kids a disservice.

Sid Rosenberg is a radio personality who has a lot of schtick in his delivery. Some of the things he’s said over the years have crossed some lines but people, college students in particular, really have to get over themselves in acting like definitive and final moral arbiters about things people said years and years ago. Wait another twenty years and none of the people calling for Sid’s dis-invitation will be able to meet the speech sensitivity and political correctness tests of the next generation. It’s all rather juvenile and intellectually bankrupt. If it bothers you ask him about it. If you think he’s locked in on bigoted thinking you might be pleasantly surprised by his response. And you may just emerge from the conversation a little wiser yourself.

 

[RU82]

Amen. The whole purpose of a university is to expose people to diverse viewpoints, including ones that are controversial, uncomfortable or, frankly, ridiculous to some. During my college experience, I often attended lectures or panels involving people whose views I disagreed with or found to be some combination of lunacy or outright disgust. It helped shape how I thought and reaffirmed my viewpoint on certain core beliefs. It also sometimes opened my eyes to another way to look at an issue, problem or situation. The whole “cancel” or “disinvite” culture is doing our kids a disservice.

I totally agree. Learning what you don’t believe is almost always a useful exercise in sharpening your thoughts and arguments about what you do believe and why. It’s really tragic that people no longer embrace that concept.

 

[SHUSource]

Sid Rosenberg is a radio personality who has a lot of schtick in his delivery. Some of the things he’s said over the years have crossed some lines but people, college students in particular, really have to get over themselves in acting like definitive and final moral arbiters about things people said years and years ago. Wait another twenty years and none of the people calling for Sid’s dis-invitation will be able to meet the speech sensitivity and political correctness tests of the next generation. It’s all rather juvenile and intellectually bankrupt. If it bothers you ask him about it. If you think he’s locked in on bigoted thinking you might be pleasantly surprised by his response. And you may just emerge from the conversation a little wiser yourself.

Silly.

A speaker can't show up to the marketplace of ideas without the ability to transact any business. It's not a matter of political point of view, but rather, that he brings nothing of any intellectual value to any side of any cogent argument or conversation of higher purpose. He is a clown, a cheap-shot artist, and a liar who has never once elevated a dialogue to any level of sophistication higher than that of a peep show.

Save your outrage for someone whose intellectual depth is represented accurately by a crude limerick carved into a men's room stall at a Sheetz in West Virginia.

 

[HALL85]

I totally agree. Learning what you don’t believe is almost always a useful exercise in sharpening your thoughts and arguments about what you do believe and why. It’s really tragic that people no longer embrace that concept.

Agree as well. Understanding all points of view is healthy and makes us all better. My only issue with Rosenberg is like RU having Snookie speak at an event. What are his qualities other than being an entertainer?

 

[SHUSource]

Amen. The whole purpose of a university is to expose people to diverse viewpoints, including ones that are controversial, uncomfortable or, frankly, ridiculous to some.

Correct. But that is not the same as plumbing the depths of hostile anti-intellectualism in the vain hope of some small particle of enlightenment.

 

[setonball46]

#8 in the country holy shit!

 

[PosterFormallyKnownAsShuathelete]

Do college students even know who this guy is?

 

[TheGucc]

So much for the marketplace of ideas! Our universities have become Stalin-esque in shutting out divergent opinions.

If he was being barred from entering a public campus, sure, but it’s a private institution and our guests are expressly invited and paid by students’ tuition money. If the students don’t think a speaker has value to them, why not ask the university to spend their money on someone who does? Sid can go to any public park or street corner and exercise the right to free speech we all have, but any private institution is just that - private

 

[RU82]

Silly.

A speaker can't show up to the marketplace of ideas without the ability to transact any business. It's not a matter of political point of view, but rather, that he brings nothing of any intellectual value to any side of any cogent argument or conversation of higher purpose. He is a clown, a cheap-shot artist, and a liar who has never once elevated a dialogue to any level of sophistication higher than that of a peep show.

Save your outrage for someone whose intellectual depth is represented accurately by a crude limerick carved into a men's room stall at a Sheetz in West Virginia.

Huh?

I’m not outraged. I’m just disheartened by the sorry state of contemporary political correctness and virtue signaling that deems someone as harmless as Sid Rosenberg to be too offensive to be heard. That’s intellectually bankrupt.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

More perspective on this...when i interned and what became my first job, it was a startup and sid got hired/casted for on camera work within parts of a college football show and then was host/moderator on a march madness anazlying and fan call in show...it was clear he cared and knew sports and could succeed well in sticking to the content...he had a lot of life obstacles and demons shortly after...obvsiouly bounced around a ton in the radio marketplace...

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Another thread that’s great for pointing out the awful people on here. The number is ever growing sadly.

 

[catholicman]

Another thread that’s great for pointing out the awful people on here. The number is ever growing sadly.

We're glad you're not on the naughty list. lol!

 

[TheGucc]

Huh?

I’m not outraged. I’m just disheartened by the sorry state of contemporary political correctness and virtue signaling that deems someone as harmless as Sid Rosenberg to be too offensive to be heard. That’s intellectually bankrupt.

Anyone who repeatedly equates black women to animals is probably up there as a decent application for “too offensive to be heard”

 

[MTOleBlue]

I mean, to me, calling certain groups of people "animals" is less about one's political leanings and more about what kind of person one is...

 

[shu09]

Anyone who repeatedly equates black women to animals is probably up there as a decent application for “too offensive to be heard”

Are you going to criticize basketball announcers when they say, for example, X player is a "beast" or an "animal on the glass?"

 

[sami]

Are you going to criticize basketball announcers when they say, for example, X player is a "beast" or an "animal on the glass?"

That is a ridiculous analogy and you know it. I don’t know who the guy is but that was the dumbest argument I’ve heard on this board in a long line of dumb arguments if you’re truly comparing a radio personality denigrating someone compared to a commentator equating performance to raw drive and instinct.

We, as humans, are animals and can be compared as such. Not being able to distinguish a compliment from an insult is purely stupid. Congrats.

 

[TheGucc]

Are you going to criticize basketball announcers when they say, for example, X player is a "beast" or an "animal on the glass?"

You know quite well that those are two completely different tones, meanings, and implications. I can’t believe people on this board would look past such appalling racism so willingly. ‘The Williams sisters (as in Venus Williams) have a better chance posing nude for National Geographic than Playboy’. Are you seriously backing that?

 

[shu09]

You know quite well that those are two completely different tones, meanings, and implications. I can’t believe people on this board would look past such appalling racism so willingly. ‘The Williams sisters (as in Venus Williams) have a better chance posing nude for National Geographic than Playboy’. Are you seriously backing that?

Where did I defend Sid Rosenberg? I asked you a question. I'd like your answer. The question was about the term "animal," which is commonly used by announcers in basketball games where the athletes are majority of color.

Sid Rosenberg is an idiot who has no business being at a discussion at Seton Hall.

 

[shu09]

What's also interesting is these vulgar comments were from June of 2001, which the dope Sid apologized for at the time. Nearly 19 years ago. How do they have any bearing on a discussion in 2020?

Interesting that the part in the Setonian article about these statements is lifted straight from Wikipedia. Shoddy reporting with no context.

 

[Halldan1]

This thread is getting angry in nature and will be transferred to the Off the Ship board tomorrow morning.

Continue your dialog here for now but please be civil.

 

[shu09]

That is a ridiculous analogy and you know it. I don’t know who the guy is but that was the dumbest argument I’ve heard on this board in a long line of dumb arguments if you’re truly comparing a radio personality denigrating someone compared to a commentator equating performance to raw drive and instinct.

We, as humans, are animals and can be compared as such. Not being able to distinguish a compliment from an insult is purely stupid. Congrats.

I wasn't comparing the comments, you have to take things with the context in which they are said. That's an essential part of reading comprehension. If that's not a strength of yours, that's fine. We all have strengths and weaknesses.

Of course, calling a basketball player a "beast" or an "animal on the glass" is not offensive. What I'm trying to determine is if the poster Gucc thinks it is. Because in 2020, you just never know. This younger generation today thinks anything remotely controversial is offensive, bigoted, racist, homophobic, trans phobic, whatever "phobic," you name it. I'm trying to get more insight into their thinking.

 

[shu09]

This thread is getting angry in nature and will be transferred to the Off the Ship board tomorrow morning.

Continue your dialog here for now but please be civil.

Thanks, Dan. I'm being civil and trying to have an educated debate/discussion. Unfortunately some others don't seem to want to have that. Probably does belong on LOTS at this point.

 

[shupat08]

Threads like this belong on LOTS the second they are posted... All Spring, Summer and Fall we are subjected to a deluge of LOTS material which is left here for days because "it's the off season"... Yet all season these posts are left here for 12, 18, 24 + hours because "no one checks the LOTS board". Well here's a suggestion... If people want to discuss this stuff spend time on the LOTS board... It's literally 1 click away.

This is a basketball board. These threads should be immediately moved.