Seton Hall University Requiring Vaccinated and Non Vaccinated Individuals To Wear Masks
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You said it yourself. Once there would be a vaccine there would be no need for mitigation. However I told you that you would be wrong. And I was right. See this is all about control. There will continue to be mask mandates even when covid is over.
Explained elsewhere. You can find it. You have time.
I am wrong on what? @Merge said the only purpose of the mitigation efforts because there was no vaccine. According to merge once the vaccine was available to the general population, there would be no longer need for mitigation.
However as we know now the that is incorrect. Colleges are requiring there nearly fully populations to still mask up.
Why? The Covid pandemic will continue for 5 years or so. And then the government and media will push for masking for covid/flu seasons saw well.
I think it is bad policy to demand people who are vaccinated to wear masks indoors. That should be relegated solely to the unvaxed. Now, there just May be an issue of how to tell who is in axed abs who is vaxed. But that information should be with the school in order to address that.
1993- looks like you may lose your Labor Day bet - no mask mandates from the Governor yet and he’s away for 2 weeks in Italy.
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The vaccinated spread covid as much as the unvaccinated, so either everyone wears a mask or we just let this cycle through knowing that vaccinated people are not likely to be hospitalized. The unvaccinated have made their choice.
Only that’s not true. How many stats have to be posted?
vaccinated people do not spread it as much as unvaccinated. That doesn’t mean that vaccinated people do not spread it, but it’s a reduced rate.
Shit, are we going to debate the difference between elimination and reduction again?
Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots
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Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots
You’re missing a something in that equation. How many people were exposed and didn’t get Covid because they were vaccinated?
The viral load of those infected was the same between the groups of those who got Covid.
Vaccine reduces the chances you get Covid which will reduce the chances you pass it on.
What does that have to do with my overall point which is either everyone wears masks or no one wears masks? How do you know which vaccinated people don’t have covid and are spreading it? So either you make everyone wear a mask or you realize that vaccinated people don’t have much to worry about and let the unvaccinated fend for themselves based on their choice.
Holy **** you’re dense.Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots
so if there is a breakthrough, they may carry as much virus. But hasn’t it been proven time and time again that the breakthroughs are less prevalent than unvaccinated infection?
I give up on society… and this board.
Dude get over yourself.
I’m not posting weird articles to find some obscure statistic. Vaccinated and unvaccinated people spread covid at the same levels. I gave a specific article informing you of that so now you change the argument to talking about breakthroughs, which wasn’t related to anyone I said. You have to have covid to spread it so how does the % of vaccinated people getting it matter?
also, while we are at here here is another article talking about breakthroughs.
What to Know About Breakthrough Infections and the Delta Variant
Scientific understanding of the coronavirus variant is changing quickly. Here’s a recap of the most important findings.
from the article:
Dr. Walensky has repeatedly said that breakthrough infections are extremely rare. But the agency does not tally national figures on breakthrough infections that don’t result in hospitalization or death, and, in any event, its numbers lag by a few weeks. The exact incidence of these infections, as well as their outcomes, is unknown.
I have never once defended anyone not being vaccinated. I’m only saying that if vaccinated people aren’t going to hospitals let’s just keep moving forward and stop putting in arbitrary rules to “protect” people that apparently don’t want to be protected
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Just not true that those who are vaccinated are spreading Covid as much as the unvaccinated. The article you linked is referencing breakthrough infections vs non breakthrough infections. Clarifying to unvaccinated infected spread Covid just as much as vaccinated infected. That’s would be correct.
I don’t disagree on masks, we probably don’t need them except maybe as a tool to be used in areas with lower vaccination rates if it looks like hospitalizations are getting out of hand.
I don’t disagree on masks, we probably don’t need them except maybe as a tool to be used in areas with lower vaccination rates if it looks like hospitalizations are getting out of hand.
I didn’t realize I had to clarify to infected people since people not infected can’t spread it but if I did, then yes you are correct.
We are on the same page about masks.
We are on the same page about masks.
Although as I noted from the NYT article, let’s not be surprised when the science shows that breakthrough infections are more common than currently thought once we get to the fall and winter in the north.
most testing isn’t being done anymore unless you are hospitalized so the number of people with mild or no symptoms spreading the virus (which is where vaccinated people would fall) won’t be known for some time, if at all.
most testing isn’t being done anymore unless you are hospitalized so the number of people with mild or no symptoms spreading the virus (which is where vaccinated people would fall) won’t be known for some time, if at all.
From today’s NYT covid newsletter.
Apoorva analyzed seven states that have provided the requisite preliminary data — California, Colorado, Massachusetts, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Virginia — and found a larger percentage of vaccinated people than previously thought among those infected, hospitalized and killed by the coronavirus: |
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Yes. My doctor friend has told me week over week vaccinated hospitalizations/deaths are going up in the state of NJ. His hospital is now up to 25 fully vaccinated patients that are hospitalized
