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Sha hot seat

Tough to be too critical, given all that, about what appears to be some misses in the NIL recruiting class. It is a brave New World in which coaches need to make decisions on the fly and don't have the same time they've had in the past to build relationships and fully understand incoming players. So far, Hurley has been doing a great job in the portal, but it looks like he may have vastly over rated Aidan Mahaney's ability to adapt to high major basketball. Recruiting/transfer misses happen. I think Holloway gets a pass if this year's class ends up under performing. If the same thing happens again next year, then there's a reason to question whether he can operate in the new environment.
This I do agree with.

While it’s been a nightmare for SHU and Holloway, it seems there is an inordinate amount of losses in and among the power 6 schools.
 
here's a great 3rd party unbiased take.

i think all the fans going haywire over Holloway are secretly starting to realize this might be it for seton hall. for serious.
Shaheen went from having a potential top 25 preseason team, featuring two preseason all-BE level players, to a complete mess of a roster that can't crack 60 points. Meanwhile, most of the coaches in his league - including guys like Kim English and Kyle Neptune, who have half of Shaheen's coaching credentials -- seem to be swimming in NIL money. Must feel great.
 
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Sha signed a 6 year deal at $2.4 million a year and SH is not going to eat the money remaining on his contract.
 
The sport is fundamentally different now than it was before Sha was hired. And while success or failure is due in part to the head coach, schools like Seton Hall will never have success in an unregulated NIL era without a consistent influx of donations that aren’t spearheaded by the fanbase. Perhaps we can have some dark horse runs in the tournament every 10 years, but no coach will be able to bring sustained success accustomed to a top tier Big 6 team.

We just don’t have the money, nor we do have enough successful alumni willing to donate.
 
The sport is fundamentally different now than it was before Sha was hired. And while success or failure is due in part to the head coach, schools like Seton Hall will never have success in an unregulated NIL era without a consistent influx of donations that aren’t spearheaded by the fanbase. Perhaps we can have some dark horse runs in the tournament every 10 years, but no coach will be able to bring sustained success accustomed to a top tier Big 6 team.

We just don’t have the money, nor we do have enough successful alumni willing to donate.
I don’t buy that at all. We can point to countless examples of college programs that have done well without having the same level of “resources” as the power schools. And in other sports where spending is basically unrestricted (like MLB). It might make the job harder, but it’s always been harder for the smaller non-football Catholic schools, by and large, including Seton Hall.

There is a difference between saying Sha is on the “hot seat”, which I think is laughable, and constructive criticism, which is legitimate.

And, for the 100th time, NIL is absolutely no reason for us to have looked and played how we’ve looked and played against our schedule to date.
 
I don’t buy that at all. We can point to countless examples of college programs that have done well without having the same level of “resources” as the power schools. And in other sports where spending is basically unrestricted (like MLB). It might make the job harder, but it’s always been harder for the smaller non-football Catholic schools, by and large, including Seton Hall.

There is a difference between saying Sha is on the “hot seat”, which I think is laughable, and constructive criticism, which is legitimate.

And, for the 100th time, NIL is absolutely no reason for us to have looked and played how we’ve looked and played against our schedule to date.
This. But it really requires you to have sharp talent evaluation and a clear plan. To date I see neither with this current roster. Hope it changes.

On the NIL the only caveat is if we wildly misspent the money on such poor evaluations. We see pro teams do this all the time. It’s already a long time to look this dreadful offensively.
 
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We can point to countless examples of college programs that have done well without having the same level of “resources” as the power schools.

Which ones? (I do agree that a loss to Monmouth has nothing to do with NIL).
 
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To think his seat is even warm is an absolute joke..he’s one of our own..had a decent season last year and we owe him way way too much money to eat

Also, anyone who thinks/thought he is some great coach is clueless too..I said this long ago and was ran off of the board as a Willard fanboy that people I know in the sport (albeit only a small few) never had much good to say about Sha and his ability to run a program…lots of red flags everywhere. Also every one of his St. Peter’s teams were ATROCIOUS offensively in the MAAC, this is not new

He has proven to be an excellent tournament coach, this sport places a ridiculous amount on tournaments so that’s a big plus…the negative is most of those tournaments are single game random outcomes and his actual season coaching has always been average at best.

Hope he figures it out for our sake
 
Pike turned that program around way before the NIL money came.

A coach using us as a stepping stone would be much better than this.

Willard also had a few great recruiting classes so he was definitely allowed to have bad ones.

Year 3 should be progress- it needs to be. We all thought this year we would be a borderline tournament team- Sha talked about the collective talent we had.

We did not think we would be one of the bottom 10 teams in NCAA basketball offensively and lose to actually the worst team. Thank God we don’t play any D2 teams coming up.

The NIL is a cope only for so long. While we don’t have a ton of money, I promise you that every team with our same level of NIL is doing substantially better than us this year by a mile.
Does depaul, gtown, prov have more NIL than we do? If so, whats gheir
To think his seat is even warm is an absolute joke..he’s one of our own..had a decent season last year and we owe him way way too much money to eat

Also, anyone who thinks/thought he is some great coach is clueless too..I said this long ago and was ran off of the board as a Willard fanboy that people I know in the sport (albeit only a small few) never had much good to say about Sha and his ability to run a program…lots of red flags everywhere. Also every one of his St. Peter’s teams were ATROCIOUS offensively in the MAAC, this is not new

He has proven to be an excellent tournament coach, this sport places a ridiculous amount on tournaments so that’s a big plus…the negative is most of those tournaments are single game random outcomes and his actual season coaching has always been average at best.

Hope he figures it out for our sake
I wouldnt call last season "decent" shaheen was robbed of an ncaa tournament bid in his 2nd year. 13 wins in conference is better.than decent
 
Does depaul, gtown, prov have more NIL than we do? If so, whats gheir

I wouldnt call last season "decent" shaheen was robbed of an ncaa tournament bid in his 2nd year. 13 wins in conference is better.than decent
Robbed or not we didn’t make NCAA Tournament, a lot of those 13 wins were against the bottom of the league and the no show vs St Johns is unforgivable

The UConn Marquette and NIT run were awesome

Add it together that’s decent
 
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To think his seat is even warm is an absolute joke..he’s one of our own..had a decent season last year and we owe him way way too much money to eat

Also, anyone who thinks/thought he is some great coach is clueless too..I said this long ago and was ran off of the board as a Willard fanboy that people I know in the sport (albeit only a small few) never had much good to say about Sha and his ability to run a program…lots of red flags everywhere. Also every one of his St. Peter’s teams were ATROCIOUS offensively in the MAAC, this is not new

He has proven to be an excellent tournament coach, this sport places a ridiculous amount on tournaments so that’s a big plus…the negative is most of those tournaments are single game random outcomes and his actual season coaching has always been average at best.

Hope he figures it out for our sake
I thought year 1 was average. I thought year 2 was better than “decent” simply because I thought we would finish in the bottom half of the league. The OOC counts, and that was bad (though nothing like this year), but the conference season was very good. I thought we would be NIT and we ended up there but we were a legit borderline bubble that had a good case to be in the dance.

As far as him being an excellent tournament coach, I’m not sure I can go that far based on the resume to date. He had an unreal run at SPU and that buys you a lot, but we’ve gone one and out in his two BE tourneys, losing to a bad DePaul team with an even worse coach and then getting destroyed by St Johns in what was basically a “last 4 in” NCAA tournament game.
 
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Robbed or not we didn’t make NCAA Tournament, a lot of those 13 wins were against the bottom of the league and the no show vs St Johns is unforgivable

The UConn Marquette and NIT run were awesome

Add it together that’s decent
Like most good but not great teams in any conference they beat the middle to bottom and steal a few. Plus the very questionable ot game against creighton. Finished 4th 1 game behind creighton. Was creighton decent? Thats a good season, def not decent.
 
Like most good but not great teams in any conference they beat the middle to bottom and steal a few. Plus the very questionable ot game against creighton. Finished 4th 1 game behind creighton. Was creighton decent? Thats a good season, def not decent.
lol ok..maybe we should just give him a lifetime contract..guy is a miracle worker
 
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