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Why is Villanova's freethrow shooting consistently good? Type of player recruited or coaching? I say coaching.
The FT shooting kept Dartmouth in it for a large portion of the game. That and the 20 turnovers were the dark clouds in an otherwise good opening game by the Pirates.
The team was 21/43 for only 51.2% in a game they won by 17 points. Bad, bad, bad.
The team was 21/43 for only 51.2% in a game they won by 17 points. Bad, bad, bad.
Every year for the past three years I have raised the question of why KW doesn't bring in a free throw shooting coach in an effort to improve our free throw shooting the way PJ used to. It certainly couldn't hurt.
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I can't blame FT shooting on KW. The players need to practice that on their own IMO. I'm sure college coaches have enough to focus on preparing their team than individual FT shooting.
Sorry, but the blame rests with the coach. I'll give you an example. Many moons ago my twin sons were at a KU camp. I happened to be talking with Roy Williams who then noticed a kid clanking FTs during a drill. He excused himself, went and got a HS coach from Colorado to work with the kid. Roy then said that coach would change the kids form and he'd be alright. I said "I hope so its one of my sons". At the end of camp he won the FT shooting award! Went from 50+% to 84% for his career as a pf.
And yes a kid who shoots bricks needs coaching and lots of practice. Todays display doesn't bode well for the season close games are won at the line. Right now I'm not holding my breath at winning any close games.
Free throw shooting can be taught and worked on. I do not understand why this was not worked on with our poor FT shooters all Summer. specifically Delgado should have been taking 500 FT's per day with help from a FT expert. And he's not the only one who is terrible from the line. Clearly this will cost us several,games during the season.
the guards need to shoot 75-80 percent min., can live with big guys that are in the 50s and 60s but as mr snaketom pointed out, should be offseason emphasis; sports is like life, if you have to take something you are not good at and make it better and functional
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I think free throw shooting is as much mental as it is mechanics. I see it as a hard thing to turnaround on short notice when you're dealing with 40% shooters from a coaching perspective.
Last year
Gordon 73.6%
Carrington 75.2%
Whitehead 74.6%
Those are the players they will be on the line a lot so relax it was only one game.
Where we have to worry is obvious. Delgado just cannot shoot foul shots and that is where we will have problems all year.
Can't believe I am saying this but I would be thrilled if he just shot 50%.
Gordon 73.6%
Carrington 75.2%
Whitehead 74.6%
Those are the players they will be on the line a lot so relax it was only one game.
Where we have to worry is obvious. Delgado just cannot shoot foul shots and that is where we will have problems all year.
Can't believe I am saying this but I would be thrilled if he just shot 50%.
There was an unheralded SH guard who couldn't shoot from long range. Then over the summer he shoot no less than 500 (more like 2x that) jumpers from top of key. Turned his game around and almost won a natl title and got him a pro contract - Terry Dehere. Just have to have the work ethic AND good coaching.
Problem is in close games a good coach will go to hack a Delgado. 50% might not even cut it then. Good coaches can change a players mechanics and mental blocks concerning ft shooting. I saw it with my son (he wouldn't listen to me - shocking) and I did it with a few players over the years. Just got to care pure and simple.
No doubt and that means in a game toward the end if we're up and we have the ball Delgado must go to the bench.
Not an ideal situation.
Well the "good" news is in a close game he'll probably have fouled out by then. Ouch. lol
The "bad" news, if he's still in the game and has to come out who replaces him? That, of course, will depend on the team, but size and strength inside is not a SH strength.
Not a good situation in either scenario. He just needs to get better. If you're Wilt or Shaq you can get away with poor ft shooting. He's a few inches and pounds away from that luxury right now. lol
Must have been during his high school career because I remember seeing him hit 8 or 9 long range three pointers in an AAU game while he was still in high school.
You have your players confused Vegas. It was not Terry DeHere who always had that long range shot. It was John Morton who developed that shot between his Jr and Sr year (with the help of Jose Rembimbas rebounding & feeding him all summer to practice those long range shots). It paid off for the Hall (NCAA TITLE GAME) and for John (First round NBA pick).
PJ used to also have a free throw expert come in to work with his players. I think it was Jerry Hobby's (90% + FT shooter at Fordham) father.
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I agree it will cost us a close game or two. Willard has supposedly pledged to "coach my ass off" this year so the free throw deficiency is clearly an opportunity for him to start delivering on that promise.
Are there really people out there who specialize in coaching free throw shooting? It's a wide open 15-foot jump shot from the middle of the court.
I don't think it's that simple.
First you must have good form with good fundamentals. However, you cannot simulate shooting a live game with the atmosphere of an arena.
Most of these kids miss because of the anxiety and lack of confidence. In many cases they are winded on top of that.
They probably could hit one after another in an empty gym. Taking 10,000 free throws could help with your release, but only if your mind maintains the muscle memory.
In many cases the body language along with the form is poor. Take Sterling Gibbs for example. There were times where he could not miss a free throw, but once he started to struggle it manifested into results that were hard to figure.
Delgado for the most part expects a negative result at the line and his body language is not relaxed.
Some guys have form, but their focus is not where it needs to be at the line. I believe it's
up to the individual player. Only so much the coaches can do with your form and release.
First you must have good form with good fundamentals. However, you cannot simulate shooting a live game with the atmosphere of an arena.
Most of these kids miss because of the anxiety and lack of confidence. In many cases they are winded on top of that.
They probably could hit one after another in an empty gym. Taking 10,000 free throws could help with your release, but only if your mind maintains the muscle memory.
In many cases the body language along with the form is poor. Take Sterling Gibbs for example. There were times where he could not miss a free throw, but once he started to struggle it manifested into results that were hard to figure.
Delgado for the most part expects a negative result at the line and his body language is not relaxed.
Some guys have form, but their focus is not where it needs to be at the line. I believe it's
up to the individual player. Only so much the coaches can do with your form and release.
I think (for some) your mental attitude has a lot to do with it. Sterling was a good foul shooter but had phases went he couldn't hit a foul shot. Last night, missing foul shots just became contagious. There will be some nights when it will be the opposite. Hopefully more of the latter.
I don't know man. I feel like trying to conceptualize free throw shooting into something more than a jump shot that a 5th grader can make with regularity probably causes more harm than good. Just practice the shot over and over again until it's second nature. If you have meat hooks for hands, or inner demons that prevent you from bending your knees and making a wide open chip shot, I'm not sure a free throw coach is going to be much help.
Not sure if they have Free Throw Shooting Specialists but maybe just maybe the team needs a new voice to coach them with FTs. Sometimes hearing from someone else is helpful. Better that happens in the off season but let's see how they do after a few games. What bothers me is that this was not a high pressure game and our FT shooting was atrocious. In a tight game how will they react?
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There is Noah basketball which specializes in conducting clinics for HS and college teams on free throw shooting as well as teaching overall shooting techniques. They now also teach shooting and free throw shooting for a number of NBA teams. About 8 years ago Mark Cuban hired a free throw shooting coach named Dave Boren and they are one of the NBA better FT. shooting teams. I'm not suggesting that for any college team but using an outside resource should certainly be considered by SH.
There is Noah basketball which specializes in conducting clinics for HS and college teams on free throw shooting as well as teaching overall shooting techniques. They now also teach shooting and free throw shooting for a number of NBA teams. About 8 years ago Mark Cuban hired a free throw shooting coach named Dave Boren and they are one of the NBA better FT. shooting teams. I'm not suggesting that for any college team but using an outside resource should certainly be considered by SH.
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A lot of blaming free throw shooting on a coach. Free throw shooting is purely on a players desire to practice it. The fact of the matter is practicing your free throw shooting is very boring so not a lot of people do it. But if you shoot 100 free throws a day, you can quickly improve. However, the coach can't sit there and force each kid to shoot 100 free throws they have to do it on there own
I think the final four teams shot around 76 percent.
Our three guards have to shoot at least 75 percent consistently.
Good to know - thanks. I'd love it if Willard got a specialist in. Like I said they need to hear from a fresh voice sometimes. It will be crucial to our season because these kids have the ability to get to the line.
LOL... +1
That's like saying... "The coach can't make the players practice or work in the weight room"
Pretty sure that's the point of the player/coach/athletic scholarship thing.
Actually it wasn't DeHere. My memory is what I forget with. it was that
That's why teams have student managers! Further, it's called pride and the will to succeed. If you're proud you're a brick layer at the free throw line then there's something wrong and its not just with your form.
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Yes a coach can that's why he the coach and creates a practice schedule and what it encompasses .Shooting a specified number of free throws every scheduled practice can be an integral part of the practice routine the same way stretching is a routine part of practice.
Tom, the absolutely number one flaw Brainiac has is that he looks in the damn mirror every day and sees a genius who never needs help. Ever.
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