think we may be over looking the ole miss win a bit. May wind up having more weight than we think. They are 9-2, near top of SEC, and have current rpi of 60 and climbing. They stay strong it very well can be a recognized win come selection time. Clearly a lot of work to do before we can worry about that.
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Question I was thinking about... In the end, could the 2-1 in Charleston with a loss to LBS be better than a possible 1-2 with losses to Virginia and Oklahoma State? Who knows, but a question nonetheless.
Our best win is against 5-3 Georgia right now. At the end of the year as WSU rolls through conference play, they will prove to be our best win.
I posted on the trove that LBSU will probably not end up being a killer loss. Current kenpom of 144, not great but not attrocious either. All their losses are top 100 Kenpom teams.
I thought of that myself Lloyde - all in all Charleston, while not great, might not be as bad as initially thought.
Now we root like heck for Ole Miss/Wichita/Georgia...
I thought of that myself Lloyde - all in all Charleston, while not great, might not be as bad as initially thought.
Now we root like heck for Ole Miss/Wichita/Georgia...
Absolutely not, yesterday's win against Wichita State is much better.
Right now ESPN has Georgia at 28 in the RPI. Right now that that is the better win based on the numbers. As I said long term WSU will be the best OOC win
Ole Miss has played nobody and beaten nobody to date. They are going to have to step it up in the SEC which I have posted is much better top to bottom this year. Also Frank Martin so far has SC playing very well there. Ole Miss lost to George Mason and that is a bad loss. LBS won't be a 100 RPI team but they schedule very well with Dam Monson and it won't be a real bad loss. Maybe they can do something in their conference after playing Duke, Oregon and Arizona.
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That charleston trip was fine for you guys. So many people think you have to play the top team in those pre-season tourneys, and while that gives a team a great chance at a big win, those wins usually don't happen. It's not necessarily better to lose to a top ten team than to beat a pair of top fifty teams when talking about a tourney invite. You lose to a particular top ten team, so what, so have 20 other teams that they beat through the season. You beat a pair of top fifty teams you really add to the resume.
Beat usf and you guys are right where you need to be where a 10-8 conference record gets you in.
The big east has plenty of good teams this yr, and you should be able to clip a couple of the good ones at home and hold court against the lesser ones at home and maybe catch a couple of them on the road.
Beat usf and you guys are right where you need to be where a 10-8 conference record gets you in.
The big east has plenty of good teams this yr, and you should be able to clip a couple of the good ones at home and hold court against the lesser ones at home and maybe catch a couple of them on the road.
Man, you are insufferable. Always a negative view of things. Look past the record! Their best player was out for 3 of the losses. KenPom #36. They'll be just fine.
No it's not. Wichita State is #36 in KenPom. Georgia is #69. You also forgot #58 Mississippi.
RPI right now is
Georgia 38
WSU 69
Ole Miss 77 and that is how it should be so far based on the schedules.
When the committee uses Kenpom I think that's the time to start talking Kenpom. Everyone has their own view of what's right. Everyone seemed to like RPI when it was uconn Baylor SHU for women's basketball earlier this year.
I think 99.9 percent of the people liked the novelty of the No 3 ranking, yet also knew it was completely meaningless.
Lloyd after our season and rankings 1st week of January last year is it fair to say Kenpom sucks right now, RPI sucks right now, and every other ranking is 100% meaningless right now?
It's something to look at, but not much else. I mentioned earlier that it's like the MLB standings in late April. They're there, and they mean something, but you can't possibly draw any conclusions from them.
Even if Seton Hall suffers a letdown, they still win by at least 10, USF is beyond terrible.
If all goes reasonably well we will have a solid or better non-conference resume. At the very least, it will not be a determining factor in where this team is come March.
I don't know if we're good enough to make a run in this Big East and the type of grind we are not and miss out on the postseason, it will not be because of the non-conference portion. That has not always been the case, but this year it is.
I don't know if we're good enough to make a run in this Big East and the type of grind we are not and miss out on the postseason, it will not be because of the non-conference portion. That has not always been the case, but this year it is.
After the first week of January last season we were 13-3 (3-1) and ranked 31st in KenPom after winning at Creighton. I'd say 31st was very accurate for what the team had accomplished to that date.
RPI had us around 20th which is where the polls had us. RPI around 20, Both polls 21, KenPom 31. Really is one better than the other??? But neither was accurate as to where we ended so neither Kenpom or RPI are useful til mid February, right?
You obviously have no idea how these things work. The RPI needs time to be somewhat accurate. Usually when February comes you have had so many games played across the nation that records and SOS work itself out and the RPI becomes meaningful. Because of the formula it uses, the sample size is too small in November, December and January. The RPI does get more accurate as each day goes by. Like I said, it starts to become meaningful in February and from there on out. It is still a flawed system in my view. KenPom (and Sagarin for that matter) are more reliable rankings.
KenPom is a system that ranks teams based on offensive and defensive efficiency and constantly changes game by game. The ranking is where teams stand TODAY, not where they will end up. KenPom does have a prediction on each team's page but that is based on play TO DATE. That changes as teams get better or worse. Obviously it cannot foresee collapses like we had last year.
We ended last season ranked #107 in KenPom. Just right in my view. Neither system is meant to predict future ranking as you criticized them for in your post.
So it's based on offensive and defensive efficiency? Wouldn't that be strongly scewed if we play an elite schedule and struggle offensively and defensively, or if we play a load of cupcakes and excel vs them.
Not the way you're saying because it's all interconnected based on schedule Bad teams are not efficient. And at some point you're inevitably going to play teams at your level and above. And the bump you're talking about comes if you beat weaker teams like we beat Rutgers this year. That doesn't happen often.
In 2012-13 we had a team that started 13-2, 1-0 yet were only in the KenPom 80's. Why? Because we weren't that good in how we played despite a very weak schedule. Proved out as much and we finished 15-18, 3-15. That was the season we had Cosby and Maayan playing the point.
Right now we're 47.
Strength of schedule and tempo are already built in. It's the best system going in the growing world of analytics. Period.
Plus Frankamp wasn't eligible and we all saw how that kid can shoot from range.
SHU played W. State at their healthiest all year and beat them. Let's enjoy the victory and not look under every rock to try and undermine it.
It's a system that values every possession. There isn't a sport, especially one with a clock, where every possession is equal. So if Duke beats somebody by 50 playing all their main players is it better than Kentucky only winning by 25 against a similar opponent letting their walkons play? And a coach trying to work on zone defense could hurt his teams defensive efficiency, because he is working on something in December to prepare for February as opposed to just letting man to man continue to crush a team. Then there's a luck factor which is just crazy in itself. Maybe it's the best system going, but some of it is absurd. I'd rather RPI, let the questions did you win and who did you beat be the biggest factors.
That is what the NCAA committee reportedly uses as factors. They look at who did you play, who did you beat and where did you play them. I question that misconception that they don't use RPI. They use Ken Pom? Then why not ESPN BPI or Warren Nolan Power Index.
I think (not even sure anymore) the debate is which is our best win right now if the season ended today, Georgia(RPI) or Wichita State(KenPom)? I think we all believe unless more injuries occur to WSU that will be the best OOC win, but as of right now on 12/21 which is the best win.
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