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Whitehead's Stats are a head scratcher. He is shooting the worst FG % of any player on the team who plays any decent minutes. His assist to turnover ratio is not good at all 4.3 to 2.9. He has attempted 30 more 3 pointers than then next player which is Carrington, yet he has only made 8 more.
Quite frankly with his numbers the team's record should be much worse than it is.
Quite frankly with his numbers the team's record should be much worse than it is.
Whitehead has been a major disappointment. He is completely inefficient and needs to get his head screwed on straight. Between what's gone on on the court and his nonsense on social media, it's a joke. Right now he has us hostage.
I think that's a little rough on Isaiah, Piratz, although I hate the social media stuff and I agree on that point. That's just inane BS that should be cut out. But the program is yet again jamming another square peg into a round hole. We asked for progress on the court as he grew into the position and he gave it to us, particularly after the WSU game. I thought he was trending in the right direction, so I cut him slack on the Creighton game. The offense stinks, nothing was going right at all, and at times he is on the court with 2 or 3 deficient offensive players.
How many times do these guys need to get benched? They are halfway through their sophomore seasons.
I'm rooting for him to turn it around. He and the entire team. They have a golden opportunity. But this is also the big leagues. And despite how heralded and acclaimed IW was coming out of HS, you have to earn your keep now and especially if he has any aspirations of playing in the NBA. He needs to realize that. He needs to have a mindset to match is superior talent. He needs to be a reason for positive change, not yet another excuse for a clumsy program.
if he wants to be the "alpha dog", then he needs to shoulder the responsibility of peer leadership.
I'm rooting for him to turn it around. He and the entire team. They have a golden opportunity. But this is also the big leagues. And despite how heralded and acclaimed IW was coming out of HS, you have to earn your keep now and especially if he has any aspirations of playing in the NBA. He needs to realize that. He needs to have a mindset to match is superior talent. He needs to be a reason for positive change, not yet another excuse for a clumsy program.
if he wants to be the "alpha dog", then he needs to shoulder the responsibility of peer leadership.
On the other side of the coin, I will speak up for IW. Willard has not recruited one point guard in his 6 years at the Hall. Not one. It is clear to me that IW is not a PG and is struggling with the transition. Now, how did this happen? Did IW want to be a PG or is he sacrificing his game to become a PG? That is a big question.
Actually he has. Jevon Thomas is a PG/Lead and he'll have two years starting next season.
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Updated 12/20/2012
Strengths:
Jevon is the consummate playmaker. He is super quick with great end to end speed, terrific court vision, and a super tight handle. He changes his speeds masterfully, is equally dangerous going left as he is right, has a super low cross-over dribble, and quick bounce at the rim. He has a great feel with the ball in his hands and is very crafty scoring himself with floaters and crafty wrong footed lay-ups at the rim. Defensively, he's very active with his hands being as quick as his feet. Thomas has even developed into a consistent shot maker from the perimeter when left unchecked.
Weaknesses:
The only thing Thomas is missing is a college ready body as he is very lean, especially through his chest. He can struggle to play through contact at times and has a particularly hard-time when matched up with more powerful guards. While his jumper is also much improved he needs to continue to polish that area of his game so that he continues to make shots with regularity when not getting the same volume of attempts.
Bottom Line:
The prototypical lead guard, Thomas is always attacking the defensive but has a full arsenal of tools at his disposal as he is quick as he is clever with the confidence, poise, and toughness to be a very talented lead guard in the Big East.
This was red flag #1 with this coach. He took over a program heavily reliant on a PG (Theodore) and did nothing to replenish it. Six years later and we're still talking about it. We were so bad at recruiting the position that we had to experiment by moving over a catch-and-shoot SG and were routinely eaten alive by mid-major PG's.
That was always one of the areas Seton Hall recruited well. We've had a great lineage of PG's, especially over the past 20 years. Heck, he's had a former McD All-American, All-Time SHU PG on the bench with him!
How about his assistant head coach too. Since both were college PG's you would think it wouldn't be that hard to get one. Maybe even spot a sleeper. Watching Watson work his magic was painful.
I have to agree. IW has been improving game by game, but the coaches job is to put the kid in a position to succeed. I don't know if Walt Frazier could be successful in Kevin's offense. The lack of recruited PG's for six years is mind-boggling, especially since the coach WAS a PG!
Yeah, that was my point about the square peg in a round hole. To accommodate Jaren freakin Sina, he played the wing and never made a peep as far as I can tell. No point guard this year? No big deal, we'll make one. I personally cut Isaiah alot of slack for everything except the dumb twitter crap.
On the plus side.....Carrington has had a very good season so far. Has been very consistent, plays under control, is shooting better from the field and 3, and rarely takes any bad shots. Could very well be a 20+ point guy come his senior year. Think he has been under the radar here.
IW wants to pay pg since that's where he believes he has to play at the next level. Plus until this past year, there has been no true pg on the team. That falls on what's his name's shoulders as head honcho. You would think tat recruits would jump at that since it means immediate PT. Obviously, something is glaring wrong when your first true pg recruit is a transfer, who can't even play until next year under a we regime. (Oops, jumping the gun. Sorry.)
IW does take way to many ill advised quick shots from downtown. Many are out of frustration and are clankers. Some are to make something happen. When the shot goes up its like "no, no". When it goes in "yes". Needs to think before shooting and not be a quick shooter, especially when precious few seconds ave run off the clock.
I'll be honest. Didn't even look at the stats since they're meaningless the way we're paying right now. If you watch he games, you know the stats. Like I pointed out before the season, FT shooting will cost us. Amazingly, AD seems to be improving, whereas the better shooters are declining. Go figure. Not good.
IW does take way to many ill advised quick shots from downtown. Many are out of frustration and are clankers. Some are to make something happen. When the shot goes up its like "no, no". When it goes in "yes". Needs to think before shooting and not be a quick shooter, especially when precious few seconds ave run off the clock.
I'll be honest. Didn't even look at the stats since they're meaningless the way we're paying right now. If you watch he games, you know the stats. Like I pointed out before the season, FT shooting will cost us. Amazingly, AD seems to be improving, whereas the better shooters are declining. Go figure. Not good.
IW's shot selection is terrible, which is part of the reason his percentage is what it is. Why he's taking NBA 3's is beyond me - actually, scratch that, it makes sense.
He's built for the mid-range/drive game with the occasional pop out.
He's built for the mid-range/drive game with the occasional pop out.
The A/T ratio is awful as is the FT shooting. Those two things stuck out the most in looking at the stats, but we knew that.
Carrington is having a good year because he's playing his position...let's recap:
We have a PG that is really a 2G and is learning on the job.
We have a Center who is really a PF and doesn't seem to be learning how to play all aspects of the position.
We have a SF who was a PF last year and is still learning about playing the SF spot and still complaining about playing the PF position.
We have two PF's that are learning on the job but showing promise (and actually playing the positions they were recruited to play).
We have two back-up 5's that haven't yet shown they are capable back-up 5's.
Carrington is having a good year because he's playing his position...let's recap:
We have a PG that is really a 2G and is learning on the job.
We have a Center who is really a PF and doesn't seem to be learning how to play all aspects of the position.
We have a SF who was a PF last year and is still learning about playing the SF spot and still complaining about playing the PF position.
We have two PF's that are learning on the job but showing promise (and actually playing the positions they were recruited to play).
We have two back-up 5's that haven't yet shown they are capable back-up 5's.
There's no doubt that there is talent on this team but when you take some of them and play them at positions that are not their natural positions you run the risk of significantly reducing their results on the court and I think we're seeing that with AD and IW and why I believe you have to show patience with them. Recruiting is much more then getting highly talented players it's also about bringing in players that will play their natural position and bringing in players at every position and not to continuously be forced to rely on players who are playing out of position, especially one as critical as your PG. Personally I'm still waiting after 6 years for Willard to bring in that legitimate center while others will point to our efforts to solve our problem at the point as a priority.
Had a chance to watch the Georgetown/DePaul game on Saturday....kept thinking that what if we had Govan. Would have solved a lot of problems on this team....but than again with the weave, he'd be sitting there waiting to see the ball.
[QUOTE="HALL85, post: 166143, member:
let's recap:
We have a PG that is really a 2G and is learning on the job.
We have a Center who is really a PF and doesn't seem to be learning how to play all aspects of the position.
We have a SF who was a PF last year and is still learning about playing the SF spot and still complaining about playing the PF position.
We have two PF's that are learning on the job but showing promise (and actually playing the positions they were recruited to play).
We have two back-up 5's that haven't yet shown they are capable back-up 5's.[/QUOTE]
Lest we forget - what's his name is still learning on the job so it's a perfect storm.
let's recap:
We have a PG that is really a 2G and is learning on the job.
We have a Center who is really a PF and doesn't seem to be learning how to play all aspects of the position.
We have a SF who was a PF last year and is still learning about playing the SF spot and still complaining about playing the PF position.
We have two PF's that are learning on the job but showing promise (and actually playing the positions they were recruited to play).
We have two back-up 5's that haven't yet shown they are capable back-up 5's.[/QUOTE]
Lest we forget - what's his name is still learning on the job so it's a perfect storm.
