Big East GHOST Bias @becb_sbnCBS ranked the Big East like this:
Villanova
G'Town
Butler
Xavier
Providence
Marquette
St. John's
DePaul
Seton Hall
Creighton
Slap in the face?
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Big East GHOST Bias @becb_sbnCBS ranked the Big East like this:
Villanova
G'Town
Butler
Xavier
Providence
Marquette
St. John's
DePaul
Seton Hall
Creighton
They might be off by a spot or two but I'm not sure how out of line it is. We should be able to finish ahead of St John's, Creighton and Depaul, but I don't have any confidence beyond that.
122. Seton Hall: Will Seton Hall be the worst team in the Big East? It's hard to see ... yet not at the same time. Sterling Gibbs gone, so Isaiah Whitehead is going to have to really show us something. Kevin Willard coaching for his job.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...g-of-every-college-basketball-team-from-1-351
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...g-of-every-college-basketball-team-from-1-351
CBS ranked the Big East like this:
Villanova
G'Town
Butler
Xavier
Providence
Marquette
St. John's
DePaul
Seton Hall
Creighton
If St. Johns finishes 2 spots ahead of us this will have been a disastrous season....and it will likely mark the beginning of a LONG run of years that we will be looking up at them. This is the last year to get them with depleted talent. Mullin will see to that.............and already has
Our OOC schedule this season
236. Dartmouth: Alex Mitola decided to leave to go to George Washington this season, leaving the Big Green in a bit of a lurch. Can this experienced group make another push toward a top-half finish? Thinking fourth place is their peak this year.
281. Wagner: The Seahawks will probably be better, but doing that is going to be very interesting because Marcus Burton is gone. He was a do-it-all guy for Bashir Mason's program.
123. Long Beach State: Most outside of the Big West don't realize this, but Dan Monson's about to bring in a lot of help -- and LBSU might wind up stealing the league. At the very worst, this is a top-three team in the Big West. Sizable jump from last year's 16-17 team.
5. Virginia: The Tony Bennett Experience will continue to keep Virginia near or at the top of the ACC. How good can these guys be? Well, the Hoos were 30-4 last season and only lost Darion Atkins and Justin Anderson. Yes, a dent, but still a lot of talent here. Malcolm Brogdon, hello.
OR
321. Bradley: Listen, we think Brian Wardle is going to turn this program around. But this will be one of the youngest rosters in the country after being ravaged by transfers and dismissals.
47. Georgia: Mark Fox is awesome for continuing to channel his inner college bro by doing things like this. Roster-wise, Georgia's got the guards to make their SEC foray compelling.
57. George Washington: Mike Lonergan returns basically everyone from a sneaky-good A-10 team last year. Kethan Savage, Kevin Larsen and Pato Garino are a heck of an experienced triumvirate that could lead to an NCAA Tournament bid.
274. Rutgers: The football team can be a hideous distraction for only so long. Kadeem Jack and Myles Mack were by far the two most important players ... and they gone.
320. Troy: Injuries killed the Trojans last year, but Wesley Person, Jr. is at least interesting for what could be the Sun Belt's worst team.
277. Saint Peter's: John Dunne is truly one of the nicest humans coaching in college hoops, which means he won't be mad at us for ranking his team this low.
9. Wichita State: Shockers will probably win the MVC again because Fred VanVleet and Ron Baker are the two best players in the conference. It's amazing Gregg Marshall has continued to keep WSU this nationally relevant.
286. South Florida: Orlando Antigua is a fine recruiter and molding himself into a good coach, but this is going to take more time. We think the Bulls win 11 games this season.
236. Dartmouth: Alex Mitola decided to leave to go to George Washington this season, leaving the Big Green in a bit of a lurch. Can this experienced group make another push toward a top-half finish? Thinking fourth place is their peak this year.
281. Wagner: The Seahawks will probably be better, but doing that is going to be very interesting because Marcus Burton is gone. He was a do-it-all guy for Bashir Mason's program.
123. Long Beach State: Most outside of the Big West don't realize this, but Dan Monson's about to bring in a lot of help -- and LBSU might wind up stealing the league. At the very worst, this is a top-three team in the Big West. Sizable jump from last year's 16-17 team.
5. Virginia: The Tony Bennett Experience will continue to keep Virginia near or at the top of the ACC. How good can these guys be? Well, the Hoos were 30-4 last season and only lost Darion Atkins and Justin Anderson. Yes, a dent, but still a lot of talent here. Malcolm Brogdon, hello.
OR
321. Bradley: Listen, we think Brian Wardle is going to turn this program around. But this will be one of the youngest rosters in the country after being ravaged by transfers and dismissals.
47. Georgia: Mark Fox is awesome for continuing to channel his inner college bro by doing things like this. Roster-wise, Georgia's got the guards to make their SEC foray compelling.
57. George Washington: Mike Lonergan returns basically everyone from a sneaky-good A-10 team last year. Kethan Savage, Kevin Larsen and Pato Garino are a heck of an experienced triumvirate that could lead to an NCAA Tournament bid.
274. Rutgers: The football team can be a hideous distraction for only so long. Kadeem Jack and Myles Mack were by far the two most important players ... and they gone.
320. Troy: Injuries killed the Trojans last year, but Wesley Person, Jr. is at least interesting for what could be the Sun Belt's worst team.
277. Saint Peter's: John Dunne is truly one of the nicest humans coaching in college hoops, which means he won't be mad at us for ranking his team this low.
9. Wichita State: Shockers will probably win the MVC again because Fred VanVleet and Ron Baker are the two best players in the conference. It's amazing Gregg Marshall has continued to keep WSU this nationally relevant.
286. South Florida: Orlando Antigua is a fine recruiter and molding himself into a good coach, but this is going to take more time. We think the Bulls win 11 games this season.
Reality. We were the worst in the league at the end of last year.
We may look good in practice, our coaches are hootin and hollerin, many fans think this is the beat team in a long time. Our players are making the right noises.
But the rest of the league has also improved and they aren't waiting for us to catch up. The BE coaches have looked around and in their minds we haven't made progress. What I think down deep is they continue to see us as soft. Lacking in spirit, hunger and spunk.
We may look good in practice, our coaches are hootin and hollerin, many fans think this is the beat team in a long time. Our players are making the right noises.
But the rest of the league has also improved and they aren't waiting for us to catch up. The BE coaches have looked around and in their minds we haven't made progress. What I think down deep is they continue to see us as soft. Lacking in spirit, hunger and spunk.
Big East teams
12. Villanova: You know, we might well have Villanova too low. Ryan Arcidiacono is the reigning Big East Co-Player of the Year. Jalen Brunson is an incoming combo guard who will win over a lot of people very quickly. Daniel Ochefu is a player many coaches in the league think could be Villanova's best, and it's not like Josh Hart is a scrub. The Wildcats should easily win the Big East.
28. Georgetown: Hoyas are the Big East's second best team, led by D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera, who not enough people know about outside the conference. And sophomore Isaac Copeland is going to have a breakout year. Watch for it.
29. Butler: Kellen Dunham and Roosevelt Jones will Butler Butler to a Butler-like Butler'ing. The Bulldogs are going to be spiteful on defense yet again
39. XAVIER: The Musketeers got hot at the end of last season and made what has become a common appearance in the Sweet 16 before losing to former coach Sean Miller. This year, they lose Matt Stainbrook and Dee Davis, but Trevon Bluieitt and Jalen Reynolds should take big steps forward to pick up the slack.
42. Providence: Has perhaps the most talented player in the sport in Kris Dunn. Rodney Bullock might average 15 points this season. The Friars will run, run, run and be fun, fun, fun.
63. Marquette: Henry Ellenson is the star incoming recruit, but this team is going to get improved performance from Duane Wilson and Jajuan Johnson. Still: very, very young group.
110. St. John's: Chris Mullin -- the long-desired choice of so many powerful St. John's boosters -- is now running the show in Queens. This will be fascinating. We don't think St. John's is going to be viable this season, but it's still certainly one of the 150 best teams in the country.
117. DePaul: This might be a bit aggressive, but DePaul returns a lot of talent including Billy Garrett and Tommy Hamilton. If Dave Leitao improves the defense, they could finish relatively high within the league.
122. Seton Hall: Will Seton Hall be the worst team in the Big East? It's hard to see ... yet not at the same time. Sterling Gibbs gone, so Isaiah Whitehead is going to have to really show us something. Kevin Willard coaching for his job.
127. Creighton: The Bluejays are going to have a fun player in Nevada transfer Cole Huff. It's hard to see this team getting above .500 by season's end, but that's in part because it's No. 7 in the Big East at best.
12. Villanova: You know, we might well have Villanova too low. Ryan Arcidiacono is the reigning Big East Co-Player of the Year. Jalen Brunson is an incoming combo guard who will win over a lot of people very quickly. Daniel Ochefu is a player many coaches in the league think could be Villanova's best, and it's not like Josh Hart is a scrub. The Wildcats should easily win the Big East.
28. Georgetown: Hoyas are the Big East's second best team, led by D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera, who not enough people know about outside the conference. And sophomore Isaac Copeland is going to have a breakout year. Watch for it.
29. Butler: Kellen Dunham and Roosevelt Jones will Butler Butler to a Butler-like Butler'ing. The Bulldogs are going to be spiteful on defense yet again
39. XAVIER: The Musketeers got hot at the end of last season and made what has become a common appearance in the Sweet 16 before losing to former coach Sean Miller. This year, they lose Matt Stainbrook and Dee Davis, but Trevon Bluieitt and Jalen Reynolds should take big steps forward to pick up the slack.
42. Providence: Has perhaps the most talented player in the sport in Kris Dunn. Rodney Bullock might average 15 points this season. The Friars will run, run, run and be fun, fun, fun.
63. Marquette: Henry Ellenson is the star incoming recruit, but this team is going to get improved performance from Duane Wilson and Jajuan Johnson. Still: very, very young group.
110. St. John's: Chris Mullin -- the long-desired choice of so many powerful St. John's boosters -- is now running the show in Queens. This will be fascinating. We don't think St. John's is going to be viable this season, but it's still certainly one of the 150 best teams in the country.
117. DePaul: This might be a bit aggressive, but DePaul returns a lot of talent including Billy Garrett and Tommy Hamilton. If Dave Leitao improves the defense, they could finish relatively high within the league.
122. Seton Hall: Will Seton Hall be the worst team in the Big East? It's hard to see ... yet not at the same time. Sterling Gibbs gone, so Isaiah Whitehead is going to have to really show us something. Kevin Willard coaching for his job.
127. Creighton: The Bluejays are going to have a fun player in Nevada transfer Cole Huff. It's hard to see this team getting above .500 by season's end, but that's in part because it's No. 7 in the Big East at best.
It's not the fans that have to wake up... It's the players, the coaching staff, the athletic department and the school administration.
Based on the precedent the program sets year in and year out, that's a safe bet.
CBS ranked the Big East like this:
Villanova
G'Town
Butler
Xavier
Providence
Marquette
St. John's
DePaul
Seton Hall
Creighton
The list looks like it was thrown together by a high school sophomore. There are a lot more important things to get upset about. I don't think we'll finish 9th, but the point is that we might not finish much better. As for the overall list, c'mon, even the most peevish SHU fan wouldn't consider us a worse team than Albany, Hofstra, and Winthrop.
The way I look at this is that it's time for Willard and his staff , as well as the players , to exceed expectations for the season something that hasn't happened in recent years.. While realistically you could rank SH anywhere from seventh to last in the conference I want us to do better then that since the staff and many posters here agree that this may be the most talented team in KW's tenure and if we don't and remain a bottom tier program then a change , IMO, needs to take place.
For me it's Facta non Verba.
Deeds not words !
For me it's Facta non Verba.
Deeds not words !
I keep waiting to see that one poll that picks us in the top three in the BE...when I do, that's the one I'm going to go with
FLNJ's poll... Sorry I couldn't resist! lol.
That was a pick up piece! Didn't you see the part where they said Willard was coaching for his job? If they could only promise....
