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It's still early so I'm reserving judgement on our current status. But absolutely have to win the consolation game, and get out of Orlando 2-1. It's Sha's first year, he had to recruit on the fly, and there are so many new faces that it would be really difficult to have a cohesive team at this point. Sha obviously has history here, he did a good job at St. Peter's, so I think he will eventually get it figured out. But the transfer portal, NIL, and extra years of eligibility have thrown the recruiting landscape into chaos. Sha will have to lean on his north Jersey/NYC connections to keep kids in the area.

What I like is that the team plays hard, and pushes the tempo. They seem to have good depth. They mix their defenses. they play good help defense, and rotations are good for about two or three passes. Teams that really know how to move the ball will end up with an open three, however. Something tells me the staff is trying to turn each game into a street fight to mask whatever deficiencies the team has.

If you're a hoops purist, watching this team might take its toll though. We play a really sloppy brand of basketball with way too many turnovers, especially ill advised passes. The team has a redundant theme, with a lot of good sized athletic wings, but no true point guard or post (I see Tyrese as a stretch four type). The collective skill level and feel for the game need a lot of work. Really need to stress the fundamentals, get kids to play off two feet more, and make more high percentage plays. It's doable, but it takes time and repetition. This is where the assistants are going to really have to work hard and earn their money this year. Any update on Yetna or Jaq Harris? I haven't been following the news that closely. If they return, it would be a big boost. But you're not going to beat a Brad Underwood or Porter Moser coached team playing the way we play. And coaches like Ed Cooley, Dan Hurley, Shaka Smart, Thad Matta, Greg McDermott are just as savvy, if not more so.

Bottom line is we use our overall size and athleticism to beat the teams we are supposed to beat in non conference, defeat our share of some average or rebuilding Big East programs, and steal a few games we probably shouldn't. I think the Orlando consolation and Rutgers games could really determine what the overall season record looks like. Maybe 17-18 win vicinity, but way too early to be accurate on that, so it comes with a disclaimer. Hoping we have a great season moving forward.
 
I think we play too fast on offense with these new faces and players on and off the floor. His Saint Peter's team didn't play that way with the offensive pace. I'm usually thinking, "slow down!" when we have the ball. It's why our turnover issue is so profound.

Then he gets on the guys for trying to do too much on their own so idk.
 
I think we play too fast on offense with these new faces and players on and off the floor. His Saint Peter's team didn't play that way with the offensive pace. I'm usually thinking, "slow down!" when we have the ball. It's why our turnover issue is so profound.

Then he gets on the guys for trying to do too much on their own so idk.
Catch 22. When we play fast we’re out of control but did you see when Oklahoma slowed the tempo down, their lead went from 6 to 15 real quick because we have no size to match them. I think we really need to figure out how to excel in a very high tempo game because in a slower game Sanogo, Kaulkbrenner, Nunge, etc will eat us up inside. Here’s to hoping it gets better.
 
Catch 22. When we play fast we’re out of control but did you see when Oklahoma slowed the tempo down, their lead went from 6 to 15 real quick because we have no size to match them. I think we really need to figure out how to excel in a very high tempo game because in a slower game Sanogo, Kaulkbrenner, Nunge, etc will eat us up inside. Here’s to hoping it gets better.
Definitely, but also an area where the player rotations come into play. It's a very different team. There's a MAJOR learning curve right now, it's obvious. You don't have the stability, cohesion and stalwarts like Rhoden, Cale, Obiagu out there, you have a bunch of new guys trying to figure out their roles and a coach doing the same. It looks so sloppy.

We have some very physical players like Ndefo, D. Davis, Femi, and Samuel that can hang in with size. Pair them regularly with guards like Harris and Richmond. Then you use players like Dawes, Jackson and maybe T. Davis together to up the tempo. But we're mixing and matching all these guys seemingly without rhyme or reason right now.

We also simply have to start playing our best players the most minutes against good teams. Samuel cannot play a grand total of 30 minutes over two games against Iowa and Oklahoma while never getting to 4 fouls in either game. We only have two players in the national rankings of offensive efficiency - Samuel and Harris - and they aren't playing enough against good teams. And it's not like they're sitting for better defenders as the defense has been horrific in those games.

And Ndefo and Dawes - the two getting to 30 minutes - are absolute turnover machines. If you don't value the basketball it doesn't matter the defense.
 
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Let’s say Ike did come back. What’s the ideal lineup that you would put on the floor?

PG - Richmond (under preforming)
SG - Dawes / Harris (both undersized defensively)
SF - Dre Davis
PF - Samuel
C - Obiagu

then we have to sub at some point

PG - Dawes
SG - Odukale
SF - Tae Davis
PF - NDefo
C - Jackson

There just aren’t enough capable scorers in the half court on this team. Obiagu doesn’t change that. This team really needs Kadary Richmond to step up in a big way. Not only to score the basketball, but to create better looks for others. Sha knows that, because that is the guy who should be out there for more minutes as well and he isn’t. It’s the biggest message being sent every night so far.
 
Let’s say Ike did come back. What’s the ideal lineup that you would put on the floor?

PG - Richmond (under preforming)
SG - Dawes / Harris (both undersized defensively)
SF - Dre Davis
PF - Samuel
C - Obiagu

then we have to sub at some point

PG - Dawes
SG - Odukale
SF - Tae Davis
PF - NDefo
C - Jackson

There just aren’t enough capable scorers in the half court on this team. Obiagu doesn’t change that. This team really needs Kadary Richmond to step up in a big way. Not only to score the basketball, but to create better looks for others. Sha knows that, because that is the guy who should be out there for more minutes as well and he isn’t. It’s the biggest message being sent every night so far.
Obiagu might alter the decision of the Oklahoma guard to just keep getting in the lane time after time after time like he did last night.
 
Let’s say Ike did come back. What’s the ideal lineup that you would put on the floor?

PG - Richmond (under preforming)
SG - Dawes / Harris (both undersized defensively)
SF - Dre Davis
PF - Samuel
C - Obiagu

then we have to sub at some point

PG - Dawes
SG - Odukale
SF - Tae Davis
PF - NDefo
C - Jackson

There just aren’t enough capable scorers in the half court on this team. Obiagu doesn’t change that. This team really needs Kadary Richmond to step up in a big way. Not only to score the basketball, but to create better looks for others. Sha knows that, because that is the guy who should be out there for more minutes as well and he isn’t. It’s the biggest message being sent every night so far.
I'll take Ike for an additional year right now.Won't help much offensively but will help defensively with blocks.altered shots,rebounds and an additional five fouls to use at the center position.Accounting can wait as he'll be doing that for the test of his life!
 
Let’s say Ike did come back. What’s the ideal lineup that you would put on the floor?

PG - Richmond (under preforming)
SG - Dawes / Harris (both undersized defensively)
SF - Dre Davis
PF - Samuel
C - Obiagu

then we have to sub at some point

PG - Dawes
SG - Odukale
SF - Tae Davis
PF - NDefo
C - Jackson

There just aren’t enough capable scorers in the half court on this team. Obiagu doesn’t change that. This team really needs Kadary Richmond to step up in a big way. Not only to score the basketball, but to create better looks for others. Sha knows that, because that is the guy who should be out there for more minutes as well and he isn’t. It’s the biggest message being sent every night so far.
Really meant IKE on the defensive end.
most of those inside shots yesterday would never have seen the rim with ike nor would they even attempt them. lol
 
Really meant IKE on the defensive end.
most of those inside shots yesterday would never have seen the rim with ike nor would they even attempt them. lol
I totally understand that everyone would like to have Ike to offset the defensive shortcomings of not having a rim protector.

But Ike was another player posters would say makes it feel like we are playing 4 on 5 offensively. So that would be Ike, KC, and Femi that people feel that they bring limited offense to the court.

And while we have some guys capable of scoring double digits on any given night, the consistency is currently lacking.

We aren’t beating teams only scoring in the 60’s. And if we do, they are going to ugly dog fights.

Early analysis shows that we don’t have a lot of talented two way players. So finding the right balance of lineups as mentioned by many is going to play a key role for the season.
 
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We aren’t beating teams only scoring in the 60’s. And if we do, they are going to ugly dog fights.
Sign me up for that. I don't care how ugly the game is I just want a chance. I don't think we're beating UConn, Creighton, Providence, Xavier or Villanova when they get healthy in a game with great flow and creativity. Ugly dog fights might be our best chance this season. Long way to go. Lot of time for improvement. But I'm on board for whatever gives us a fighting chance to be a top half of the big east team fighting for an NCAA tournament berth.
 
I think we're going to have to beat teams scoring in the 60's. We have no real point guard and nobody who can generate consistent offense. We have lots of guys who can handle the ball but the only one who's really capable of running an offense is Richmond. We have guys who can score but it's anybody's guess who will be on from night to night. Even when guys are on, they're not getting enough shots to take advantage of it.

70 points has traditionally been the line of demarcation defensively for Shaheen's teams. If they can hold a team under 70 they have a good chance at winning, if they don't they'll lose much more often than not. While that may be true of a lot of teams, I think it's more a matter of necessity with his teams given the value he places on defense over offense.
 
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