Tea party debate

[Merge]

If any of you watched it, did you see anyone up there that could challenge Obama? I honestly didn't.

Also, I don't think I have ever heard people cheering while talking about people dying in any debates I have seen until now. Last week with the death penalty and last night with the 30 year old uninsured comma patient. The "base" seems to be going FAR to the right.

Ron Paul is being WAY to intellectually honest to win the primary. He knows he would not overturn social security, medicare or a majority of other federal programs... but he is talking like he is debating the theories of the federal government and not dumbing it down to the small changes that he would make.

It was pretty sad haring people boo him for talking about why we were attacked on 9/11.

 

[HALL85]

Actually I saw a group of individuals that were vastly more qualified than the Community Organizer....and if unemployment is at 9.2% next year, any of the candidates....even Michelle Bachmann will beat Obama.

The question regarding health care and the 30 year old was an interesting one, which you've done a cute job of misrepresenting. The question specifically was about a 30 year old who had a great job and income but chose NOT to purchase healthcare insurance (funny how you missed that). I think the answer that Paul's answer (which he didn't do a great job stating) was about personal responsibility and that it shouldn't be the government's job to pay for someone that had CHOSEN TO NOT buy insurance. I think the right answer is that although we should not deny care under any circumstances, the cost of care should come directly from his assets.

You obviously watched the debate with a pair of blue-shaded glasses...just admit it.

 

[shu09]

I agree with HALL85's answer to the health question.

I thought the gap closed a bit last night. Perry left the door open for others to make up ground. There is still a very long way to go.

Winner: Gingrich. Losers: Perry, Romney, Huntsman. No change: Santorum, Paul, Bachmann, Cain.

By the way, how pathetic was Huntsman's performance! A shame because I believe he's really a good guy with some great ideas. He has no chance though.
This post was edited on 9/13 6:04 PM by shu09

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by HALL85:
Actually I saw a group of individuals that were vastly more qualified than the Community Organizer....and if unemployment is at 9.2% next year, any of the candidates....even Michelle Bachmann will beat Obama.

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by shu09:
I agree with HALL85's answer to the health question.

I thought the gap closed a bit last night. Perry left the door open for others to make up ground. There is still a very long way to go.

Winner: Gingrich. Losers: Perry, Romney, Huntsman. No change: Santorum, Paul, Bachmann, Cain.

By the way, how pathetic was Huntsman's performance! A shame because I believe he's really a good guy with some great ideas. He has no chance though.
This post was edited on 9/13 6:04 PM by shu09

Gingrich knows he can't win. He has a role and is doing an excellent job in the debates by making sure republicans no matter their preference remember that removing Obama is the ultimate goal. I think he and Santorum may be looking for the VP spot, although Santorum did have some great lines in the debate.

Huntsman was ok, I think I was disappointed in him because I expected a lot more and I hoped his pro-science message would get some more attention.
Kind of funny hearing him name drop kurt cobain though. lol.

 

[SPK145]

Originally posted by Merge:
If any of you watched it, did you see anyone up there that could challenge Obama? I honestly didn't.

I see it a bit differently. I think both Romney and Perry would be better general election candidates than Republican primary candidates. Both would play very well with the independents who really elect the president.

 

[SnakeTom]

I think Romney would be a much better candidate in a General, Election than Perry but in the final analysis the next election will be a referandum on Obama much more so than who his opponent will be. In that respect I think either Romney or Perry could win though I would probably not vote for Perry under most any circumstances.

Tom K

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by SPK145:

Originally posted by Merge:
If any of you watched it, did you see anyone up there that could challenge Obama? I honestly didn't.

I see it a bit differently. I think both Romney and Perry would be better general election candidates than Republican primary candidates. Both would play very well with the independents who really elect the president.

I don't think Perry will do well with independents at all actually.
His language about Bernanke, social security and climate change are enough to keep independents away from him. Also, the Willingham execution will not play well with independents.

Romney has, in my opinion, a MUCH better chance but he hasn't done a great job in the debates enough to show conservatives that he needs to be the guy to take on Obama with his experience of creating jobs.

and speaking of his experience, other candidates have criticized him for taking over companies and cutting jobs to make the company more profitable... He has such an opportunity there that he is missing. I am waiting for the line "Yes, we took over companies that were failing. The companies would have bankrupted themselves if I didn't step in which is exactly what America needs. We need someone to step into a country that is failing and has the experience to save it. No one else on this stage has done that as well as I have."

and fwiw, if Christie had stepped into the race, I think he would have been the best candidate to beat Obama.
This post was edited on 9/14 9:13 AM by Merge

 

[HALL85]

Let's face it, we have a polarized country in many respects. The hard core Dems will vote for Obama; the hard core Reps will vote for whoever the candidate is. (Do you think any ultra-conservatives would vote for Obama compared to any Republican nominee?).

It will be the swing voters, as ususal that will determine the winner. As I've said all along, if unemployment remains over 9%, Romney or Perry (or whoever) will be the next President. Are they perfect candidates? Absolutely not. But you don't need to be perfect and compared to OB, they will look pretty damn good, warts and all.

9.2%...jobs, jobs, jobs. That's all that will matter.

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by HALL85:
Let's face it, we have a polarized country in many respects. The hard core Dems will vote for Obama; the hard core Reps will vote for whoever the candidate is. (Do you think any ultra-conservatives would vote for Obama compared to any Republican nominee?).

It will be the swing voters, as ususal that will determine the winner. As I've said all along, if unemployment remains over 9%, Romney or Perry (or whoever) will be the next President. Are they perfect candidates? Absolutely not. But you don't need to be perfect and compared to OB, they will look pretty damn good, warts and all.

9.2%...jobs, jobs, jobs. That's all that will matter.

My opinion may be flawed because I do expect unemployment to be trending positively by next November. If it is still above 9%, Obama has a slim chance of winning.

How about different assumptions?

1. Unemployment around 9% - Obama loses
2. Unemployment around 8% - Obama wins
3. Unemployment less than 8% - Obama landslide win.

Would you agree with that?

 

[oscar66]

While I am no fan of Obama's could someone please give me 5 reasons(based upon their respective records) why anyone should vote for Romney, Perry or Bachman.

 

[SPK145]

Originally posted by oscar66:
While I am no fan of Obama's could someone please give me 5 reasons(based upon their respective records) why anyone should vote for Romney, Perry or Bachman.

Couldn't we have said the same thing in 2008 about Obama?

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by oscar66:
While I am no fan of Obama's could someone please give me 5 reasons(based upon their respective records) why anyone should vote for Romney, Perry or Bachman.

At least they have a record. What did the Community Organizer accomplish? (and that would go for before and after he was elected?).

 

[SPK145]

Merge,

I'd see it as:

1. Unemployment at or above 8% - Obama loses
2. Unemployment between 7% and 8% - Too close to call
3. Unemployment less than 7% - Obama wins

There will never be a landslide, most states are far too predictable. There are only about 9 states truly in play.